Angelos declined Ripken's offer to join team

[GoOs3]

Oh this is awesome:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Sources-say-Orioles-turned-down-Cal-Ripken-for-job-041610

[Moose Milligan]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Sources-say-Orioles-turned-down-Cal-Ripken-for-job-041610

Let the games begin!!!!!

This story has everything! Rosenthal, Angelos, Ripken, MacPhail!!!

[Sports Guy]

Ummm...wow?!


Angelos, however, was reluctant to create any perception that MacPhail was not fully in control, a source said.But yet, it seems AM wanted this!

So, who has control?

[OrioleMagic]

Angelos didn't want him to share in any credit when the club returns to prominence? WOW! Can we believe Rosenthal?

[PrivateO]

Chaos ensues in 3....2.....1.....:awesome:

[Moose Milligan]

Angelos didn't want him to share in any credit when the club returns to prominence? WOW! Can we believe Rosenthal?

Let me say this:

I understand why so many people on here think Rosenthal has a grudge against the Orioles and that's fine.

But I'm sure Rosenthal has better things to do than to make up stuff like this. Like, I'm sure he's not just doing this for kicks.

[Yard Bird]

One of the worst things I've read about the Orioles.

Didn't want Ripken to get credit if/when they turn it around? Not the comment I was expecting to see from someone who really wanted to turn things around.

[ADZ23]

Can't say I'm terribly surprised.

[Mike B]

I am not sure if I believe it but if true and if AM was on board, then we have a a problem that was supposed to be cured back.

[The Wedge]

Let me say this:

I understand why so many people on here think Rosenthal has a grudge against the Orioles and that's fine.

But I'm sure Rosenthal has better things to do than to make up stuff like this. Like, I'm sure he's not just doing this for kicks.

True, but what about the source he got it from?

It just seems a bit...weird. But either way, can open...worms, everywhere.

[PrivateO]

Once this gets spread throughout the city, we will be at the bottom of the never-ending hole.

The losing already has everyone agitated.

This news (god help us if it's true) says this about the team:
- Angelos does have some final say
- He will piss off fans even further by declining an offer from the "savior of the franchise".

I really hope this is not true. I hope MacPhail and Angelos come out tonight and says this is completely false. I don't know why, but this hurts even more than the past few losses. It just answers so many questions that we've ad about the franchise and who has ultimate power.

[Moose Milligan]

True, but what about the source he got it from?

It just seems a bit...weird. But either way, can open...worms, everywhere.

A guy like Rosenthal doesn't get to the position that he's at (like it or not) by getting crap info from bad sources. Leave that to the guys like Pro Football Talk and stuff like that...those are the examples of bad sports reporting.

[dslats715]

Turning down Ripken as to not tarnish his image if we do not succeed is one thing....

But if he turned down Ripken, so that he can't take credit if the team turns around is grounds for PITCH FORKS and TORCHES!

[Sports Guy]

Once this gets spread throughout the city, we will be at the bottom of the never-ending cave.

The losing already has everyone agitated.

This news (god help us if it's true) says this about the team:
- Angelos does have some final say
- He will piss off fans even furthur by declining an offer from the "savior of the franchise".

Yep...This will be the last straw with many fans.

[Moose Milligan]

Once this gets spread throughout the city, we will be at the bottom of the never-ending cave.

The losing already has everyone agitated.

This news (god help us if it's true) says this about the team:
- Angelos does have some final say
- He will piss off fans even furthur by declining an offer from the "savior of the franchise".

Agreed. I mean, if you could think of something lower than where we're at right now, you could think of something like...Wieters breaking an arm, Nick tearing up his knee, Matusz blowing out his arm...

But I don't think ANYONE could have thought of something like this.

[VeveJones007]

****ing ****!!!

:cussing::angryfire::mad::bangwall:

:vader:

[Dwight Schrute]

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[Avsfan]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q284/bobhiggins/PitchforkRiot.jpg

[Camden_yardbird]

Someone should tell Angelos that the team actually needs to return to prominence before credit can be had for them actually doing it.

And he needs to take every step possible to make that happen. If that means hiring Ripken, it needs to happen.

[dslats715]

Agreed. I mean, if you could think of something lower than where we're at right now, you could think of something like...Wieters breaking an arm, Nick tearing up his knee, Matusz blowing out his arm...

But I don't think ANYONE could have thought of something like this.

This is just going to toss more gasoline on an already massive fire. MacPhail apparently was ok with it. Angelos kiboshes it. Not only did he trump a MacPhail decision, but that decision involved Cal Ripken Jr, Iron Man.

[PrivateO]

Agreed. I mean, if you could think of something lower than where we're at right now, you could think of something like...Wieters breaking an arm, Nick tearing up his knee, Matusz blowing out his arm...

But I don't think ANYONE could have thought of something like this.

Exactly. I am literally in shock by this, as over the past few years, I had really high hopes that Angelos had indeed given MacPhail full reign on all baseball decisions for the Orioles.

Not only is this just a completely insane move, but you disrespect the fans, and even more so, you disrespect Cal Ripken. He was always supposed to be the hero of the Orioles. His group would come in, buy the team, and win.

If true (and I will still hold out some hope for it to not be), this was one of the biggest blunders in terms of PR and baseball decisions for this team.

[Sports Guy]

Agreed. I mean, if you could think of something lower than where we're at right now, you could think of something like...Wieters breaking an arm, Nick tearing up his knee, Matusz blowing out his arm...

But I don't think ANYONE could have thought of something like this.

Yep...If this is true, this is the worse possible scenario for the Orioles.

First of all, it shows AM doesn't have total control.

Secondly, they are really going to get slammed nationally.

And lastly, it is going to push more and more fans away.

[Big Mac]

Sometimes I think Angelos makes Stalin look like a reasonable guy...

[BarclaySouthway]

According to 3 sources. Good Lord, there's gonna be a fan revolt.

I don't think Cal or, god forbid, Rick Dempsey is gonna work some kind of miracle with these guys, but it can't hurt having Cal around. I severely underestimated Angelos' ego here. He's a sociopath.

For all the talk about what the Os need to do to improve, could it possibly as simple as PA's ultimate passing?

I think I'm leaning that way.

[berto]

Wow. I don't know what to say. If true, this is just terrible and I am salty about it. Didn't think we could sink any lower than we already. This couldn't come have come out at a worse time.

[dslats715]

According to 3 sources. Good Lord, there's gonna be a fan revolt.

I don't think Cal or, god forbid, Rick Dempsey is gonna work some kind of miracle with these guys, but it can't hurt having Cal around. I severely underestimated Angelos' ego here. He's a sociopath.

For all the talk about what the Os need to do to improve, could it possibly as simple as PA's ultimate passing?

I think I'm leaning that way.

I hate Ego above all things. For someone to turn down a legend/fan favorite, purely because he may "steal" credit if the team returns to glory is just despicable.

[The Wedge]

A guy like Rosenthal doesn't get to the position that he's at (like it or not) by getting crap info from bad sources. Leave that to the guys like Pro Football Talk and stuff like that...those are the examples of bad sports reporting.

Of course he doesn't, but that doesn't mean that one his sources can't take advantage of that, either. I'm not saying I can't or won't believe this, it's entirely plausible, but there are parts of it that seems odd, or maybe taken out of context. Like, the part about Angelos not wanting Ripken to possibly be seen as a scapegoat seems likely, and maybe he said something that sort of said that along with a comment about his getting credit, and it got misconstrued...that sort of thing.

It really could go either way, but like I said, either way, this is pitchfork and torches stuff.

[dslats715]

Of course he doesn't, but that doesn't mean that one his sources can't take advantage of that, either. I'm not saying I can't or won't believe this, it's entirely plausible, but there are parts of it that seems odd, or maybe taken out of context. Like, the part about Angelos not wanting Ripken to possibly be seen as a scapegoat seems likely, and maybe he said something that sort of said that along with a comment about his getting credit, and it got misconstrued...that sort of thing.

It really could go either way, but like I said, either way, this is pitchfork and torches stuff.

Losses had me depressed, but stuff like this turns up the anger.

Just want the team to succeed so much, and reading crap like this is just brutal.

[Avsfan]

Rosenthal and Angelos are like Seinfeld and Newman...


I can see Ken in the news room...."OOOOHHHH ME! ME! PICK ME! LET ME WRITE ABOUT IT!"

[Fist Bump]

Yep...If this is true, this is the worse possible scenario for the Orioles

It could get worse. Cal could accept a job from the Yanks. :(

[Big Mac]

If I was MacPhail, and this is true, I would resign.

[treasure07]

Okay. How old is Peter Angelos? I mean, is this guy still around? Wow.

[PrivateO]

Any possible chance we hear about this during the game tonight?

What a crushing blow. THIS is like a straight shot to the gut.

[dslats715]

Any possible chance we hear about this during the game tonight?

What a crushing blow. THIS is like a straight shot to the gut.

On MA[ngelos]SN? I doubt it

[Mad Mark]

Here's what I want to know (although I never will) who are Rosenthal's sources and why is he "breaking" this "story" the day after he decided that Trembley won't last to the All-Star break and Phil Garner should be running the team.
Who has an axe to grind here, and why?
Nothing about the timing of this "breaking news" seems coincidental to me.

[The Wedge]

Any possible chance we hear about this during the game tonight?

What a crushing blow. THIS is like a straight shot to the gut.

On MASN? Snowballs chance in hell. Unless it's to deny it.

[MikeAD]

Personally I couldn't care one way or the other on the situation. But this could easily turn into a disaster for the city and the fanbase.

What a ---tshow.

[treasure07]

If this is not true, it'd be hilarious to see Ken Rosenthal printing a retraction!

"Um, sorry, my sources told me lies. I am not depending on them anymore. But I will get new sources! Don't worry! I will still keep you up-to-date on shocking news!"

Otherwise... you think that record of 9,129 people will still stand? I don't think so....

[Arch93086]

It's stuff like this that make me wish I could actually stop caring about this team and baseball all together.

[The Wedge]

Here's what I want to know (although I never will) who are Rosenthal's sources and why is he "breaking" this "story" the day after he decided that Trembley won't last to the All-Star break and Phil Garner should be running the team.
Who has an axe to grind here, and why?
Nothing about the timing of this "breaking news" seems coincidental to me.

These reasons (and others) is why my "grain of salt" red flag was raised about this. Like I said...could be true, easily, but something just seems odd about it all.

[PrivateO]

On MASN? Snowballs chance in hell. Unless it's to deny it.

If MacPhail would get on somehow and say that, I would be very happy.

[oh-wee-ohs]

Every home game I attend this year, I'm gonna chant "We Want Cal" until I'm hoarse. I'm so disgusted by this.

[MikeAD]

This is somethign that EVERY fan will hear about and real soon. If its a mess up with brining in a free-agent, or a bad trade, the casual fan might not even pay attention. Everyone will be talking about this everywhere.

I hoped that when the casual fan's started discussing the O's at the water cooler again it would be because our young guys were having All-Star seasons and we were doing well...

[Mad Mark]

Oh, here's another thing I want to know: given that he owns other baseball teams--not all of which are affiliated with the Orioles--can Ripken even hold an official position with the Orioles? Or does he have to disassociate himself from Ripken Baseball in some way?

[PaulBako]

It's stuff like this that make me wish I could actually stop caring about this team and sports all together.

Fixed. Sports ruin lives.

[SaltDoggyDog]

"Angelos, however, was reluctant to create any perception that MacPhail was not fully in control, a source said."


Holy Contradiction Batman! Isn't he doing the same thing by saying No. Craziness!

[statman]

That comment is proof that this whole thing is just a game to Angelos...Doesn't want him receiving credit WHEN we return to prominence? Is he serious? Does he like cutting ties with the best things to ever happen to our proud franchise or something? From what I've read, Ripken didn't want to be manager, he didn't want to be hitting coach, he just wanted to "help young players with their development." If the Cardinals can find a way to get someone like Mark McGwire involved, then there is absolutely no reason that a stand up guy like Cal can't. This story makes me sick in every sense of the word.

The only thing I can think of is that Angelos sees Cal as a threat to his job. (Which I hope he gets one day)....Absolutely pathetic.

[Arch93086]

Fixed. Sports ruin lives.

Agreed to an extent, but I still savor that Ravens Super Bowl victory.

[treasure07]

Now this story is on MSN's front page. Yeah, everybody is gonna know about it by tomorrow.

[GoldGlove21]

I read the story and something else struck me as a potential reason for Angelos to decline Ripken's support. Ripken has the horses, fan following, and baseball knowledge to pressure Angelos to sell the team. The ego of Angelos is large and he wants all the credit for turning it around. Andy MacPhail is a good baseball guy, but if we fail for a couple more years only to win for a couple years, then Andy MacPhail has failed in my opinion.

It should not take 5 years to turn a baseball team around and compete. No matter what anyone thinks the Orioles are not the Royals or Pirates. The Orioles should be using the Twins as a model of how to run an organization except we should actual strike with our additional funds.

I am so upset with the Orioles because 1-9 is horrible and the Orioles have a history of compounding early losses with late season collapses. I have little hope that this is a .500 team at this point. I expected so much more from this team as they were configured. I am not a big "culture of losing" kind of guy, but it can not help us win. Free agents wanted to come here in the mid 90's and we reuined that with below average results. We need to get that back and you get that back by embracing your past. You do that by bringing in Ripken, dumb move if it is true.

[Don Quixote]

Oh, what the frig? If this is so...wow, man. Just wow.

[JTrea81]

Ripken did not discuss a specific role with MacPhail, one source said. However, another source said that Ripken wanted to work with young players such as catcher Matt Wieters and help them “finish off” their developments at the major-league level.

:bangwall::bangwall::bangwall:

The Orioles have turned down their all time franchise player. First they alienate Frobby, Brooks and now Cal...

The destruction of the franchise under Angelos is finally complete...

[GoldGlove21]

If a guy like Andy MacPhail who is without a doubt one of the most admired GM's in the game can not turn us around then you have to start wondering who will. If MacPhail is removed before he accomplishes his goals then "Lord Help Us"!

[Sports Guy]

:bangwall::bangwall::bangwall:

The Orioles have turned down their all time franchise player.

The destruction of the team under Angelos is finally complete...

You can bash on AM...I can doubt his ability to take the team to the next level...But the real issues start and end with PA and if this is how things are, nothing will be done to take this team to where it needs to be unless all of the young players become really good really quick.

[Greg Pappas]

My thread (http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95352) from just yesterday seems somewhat interestingly timed, eh?

[GoldGlove21]

:bangwall::bangwall::bangwall:

The Orioles have turned down their all time franchise player. First they alienate Frobby, Brooks and now Cal...

The destruction of the team under Angelos is finally complete...

I know Angelos is the majority owner, but is there anyone the fans could petition MLB to find a new owner? Could his other shareholders have any say in voting him out?

[Skeletor]

It's stuff like this that make me wish I could actually stop caring about this team and baseball all together.

It's stuff like this that make me wish I could actually stop caring about this team and baseball.

I did my part.

Seriously though, if Angelos is worried about his ego, he should have hired Cal and said it was solely his decision. This, along with his response to the protest a few years ago make me question his judgement. He's obviously a smart guy with all that he's accomplished, but man is he a dumb ass.

[dslats715]

What can we do?

[JTrea81]

You can bash on AM...I can doubt his ability to take the team to the next level...But the real issues start and end with PA and if this is how things are, nothing will be done to take this team to where it needs to be unless all of the young players become really good really quick.

And I think we know that will never happen.

This team is doomed under the Angelos family. That should be abundantly clear now.

Forget about MacPhail's plan or competing. Angelos will never give him what he needs to have a winning team.

The Orioles have sold hope and strung fans along so they can make a profit.

[eddie83]

Maybe they couldn't work something out at this time. I like how Rosenthal writes a story with 2 sources contradicting one another. I am not saying it looks good but who knows the whole story.

[dslats715]

Maybe they couldn't work something out at this time. I like how Rosenthal writes a story with 2 sources contradicting one another. I am not saying it looks good but who knows the whole story.

Definitely need another writer and a response from Ripken.

[SombodysMom]

It could get worse. Cal could accept a job from the Yanks. :(

Much as I hate to say it, the Yanks players are, in general, ready to play before they are promoted to the Show.

[SaltDoggyDog]

I know Angelos is the majority owner, but is there anyone the fans could petition MLB to find a new owner? Could his other shareholders have any say in voting him out?

When I was at a Redskins-Eagles game in DC, I saw a guy wearing a Duck Fan Snyder T-Shirt at FedEx Field. Do you think that will get the fan's anywhere at OPACY? Maybe kicked out!

[JTrea81]

Somehow I see another "Free the Birds" rally coming out of this news...

WNST is going to have a field day with this...

[Fist Bump]

Much as I hate to say it, the Yanks players are, in general, ready to play before they are promoted to the Show.

promoted to the show......or signed as a free agent.

[Sports Guy]

Somehow I see another "Free the Birds" rally coming out of this news...

WNST is going to have a field day with this...

As they should.

They may not be the most baseball savvy people over there but I hope they destroy the Orioles for this.

Cal is a frequent guest on Mike and Mike...I hope they destroy the Orioles...I hope that everyone mocks the hell out of them and embarrasses PA.

[MikeAD]

As they should.

They may not be the most baseball savvy people over there but I hope they destroy the Orioles for this.

Cal is a frequent guest on Mike and Mike...I hope they destroy the Orioles...I hope that everyone mocks the hell out of them and embarrasses PA.

What good will come out of this national shame?

[SaltDoggyDog]

As they should.

They may not be the most baseball savvy people over there but I hope they destroy the Orioles for this.

Cal is a frequent guest on Mike and Mike...I hope they destroy the Orioles...I hope that everyone mocks the hell out of them and embarrasses PA.



What if Cal was asking for too much money and Pete couldn't afford it? :rolleyes:

[The Wedge]

Maybe they couldn't work something out at this time. I like how Rosenthal writes a story with 2 sources contradicting one another. I am not saying it looks good but who knows the whole story.

That's one of the things I found to be odd, two sources that contradict each other, makes me wonder, like I said, if something was said that was either misconstrued, taken out of context, or just downright twisted to fit the sources agenda.

Bottom line, this news passes the sniff test, however, there's another odor lingering in there that makes me wonder if something else isn't in the mix.

[Dirtyburnie]

I refuse to believe this

[Sports Guy]

What good will come out of this national shame?

My personal pleasure. I want to see them embarrassed...they deserve it.

[PHRESH]

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae16/dougfrey84/Hey__what_the_hell__by_Roswell63.jpg

Such a sad, embarrassing start to the season. Today, my boss asked me who my sports teams are. I told him the Ravens, Capitals, Wizards and with a slight pause, the Orioles. In years past, I mentioned the O's first and proudly. I still support them 100%, but it's stories like this that test my allegiance.

[isestrex]

What good will come out of this national shame?
Hopefully it will shake up King Peter a bit.

I agree with SG... I hope everyone rips Angelos for this. Not the club... Angelos.

The only problem is that this happens on a friday night. Regular news shows won't get to it until Monday morning by which there will most it will be buried.

[ShaneDawg85]

Sometimes I think Angelos makes Stalin look like a reasonable guy...

Peter Angelos is a horrible baseball owner, but this is just a silly and rediculous comparison to even make. Stalin? Really?

[Bruce510]

I always was a little annoyed by Nestor and Drew of 1570 constantly harping on how horrible Angelos was....

As of this second - I must say that they were 1000% correct.
This is the worst thing to happen to the Baltimore sports scene since Irsay took the Colts out of town.

I hope that whatever has to happen for Angelos the Great to give up ownership of the team happens very soon.

What an egomaniac . What a true jack-ass...

[PrivateO]

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[isestrex]

What if Cal was asking for too much money and Pete couldn't afford it? :rolleyes:

I don't think King Peter would respond with "I don't want you to receive credit once the team returns to prominence" if that were the case.

[eddie83]

People should calm down and see what Ripken has to say. From everything I heard Cal and Angelos have a good relationship. I am not defending Angelos for what has happened under his ownership but I need to hear more.

[JTrea81]

Sadly there's no way that PGA will be forced to sell the team. He's sound financially unlike other owners that had to sell...

[DallasOsFan]

OK, Peter DEVILos said no because he didn't want Ripken to get credit? Really?

He shouldn't care if credit goes to Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy — whoever can help the team should be brought in ... especially when it's a living legend like Ripken.

If this story is true, it just furthers my idea that compared to DEVILos, Little Danny Snyder, Jerry Jones, Donald Sterling and Al Davis are stable, logical owners who have a solid understanding of how a franchise should be run.

DEVILos has driven our team further and further into the ground ever since he owned it. He finally makes a good decision by giving McPhail the keys to the car, and now he's undermining McPhail, WHO APPARENTLY WANTED RIPKEN ON BOARD.

I hate to say the team should play in front of empty seats, but somehow a message has to get through to DEVILos: sign the checks McPhail tells you to sign, and otherwise get the hell out of the way.

Or better yet, SELL THE TEAM.

[VeveJones007]

People should calm down and see what Ripken has to say. From everything I heard Cal and Angelos have a good relationship. I am not defending Angelos for what has happened under his ownership but I need to hear more.

How do you know that Ripken wasn't one of Rosenthal's sources?

[SaltDoggyDog]

Sadly there's no way that PGA will be forced to sell the team. He's sound financially unlike other owners that had to sell...

AND his boys probably want to have their input with the team themselves when Papa Angelos is gone. So even if PAG wasn't in the picture we still have to deal with another Angelos owning the team.

[Big Mac]

Peter Angelos is a horrible baseball owner, but this is just a silly and rediculous comparison to even make. Stalin? Really?

It was obviously hyperbole, and a freaking joke.

[TCAlumni9700]

Odds on this being mentioned on the broadcast tonight? Come on guys, think of something funny here...

[eddie83]

How do you know that Ripken wasn't one of Rosenthal's sources?

That is why Cal needs to adress the story himself. I want to hear directly from him. No way this story came from the Orioles. No speculation, I want direct answers from Ripken himself, he shouldn't be to hard to find.

[isestrex]

Odds on this being mentioned on the broadcast tonight? Come on guys, think of something funny here...

It was posted so late, it's possible Gary and Flanny don't even know about it yet. It would be up for someone on the broadcast crew to tell them about it.

...and they're probably not going to do that. ;)

[no1pony]

I am caught somewhere between this has legs and thinking even Angelos is smarter than this. Think of the interest that would be created by Cal rejoining the O's. If true this a really stupid business move be Peter.:confused:

[berto]

I really need to hear Cal speak about this.

[sbauer]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/04/rosenthal_ripken_rebuffed.html

Wonder what Zrebiec will find out and if they'll get in touch with Ripken himself.

[Jagwar]

I just want the team to return to prominence. I don't care if Sports Guy gets the credit.

[isestrex]

All right, some analysis here.

Angelos says three things according to the article:
1. Telling [Ripken], according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

2. Angelos, however, was reluctant to create any perception that MacPhail was not fully in control, a source said.

3. Angelos also might have been concerned about putting a legend such as Ripken in a position to fail, a situation that would have been uncomfortable for all.


So he's concerned that Ripken will get credit for a turn around, that McPhail will not get credit and it will seem like McPhail is not in control of the team. He's also concerned that if this fails, it will set the organization back a step or two.

BS

If McPhail is excited about mentoring Ripken, it's not a sign that McPhail is not in control of things if Ripken comes aboard, regardless of his position. Instead it means that McPhail is interested in growing the team further. If Ripken coming on ends up being a mistake, then it's AM's fault.

Why didn't King Peter hault the Tejada or Bedard trades? If it's possible that those could set the organization back, why wouldn't Peter interfere to do what he thinks is best for the organization? Either because he, A. Agreed with AM that the trades were good, or B. let AM do his thing regardless of preference.

If A, we're screwed. It means that AM really hasn't had total control, but that Peter merely agreed with all the moves McPhail has made so far. But at the first sign of conflict, PA overrides AM. If it's B, then it means Peter is now a hypocrite because he let Andy do what he wanted before but now won't let Andy do what he wants now.


In other words, Doom.

[eddie83]

I am sure that every team in the sport has former players who would like to get back into the game. I am sure that we hear very little about any of this. I am also sure that not every player can work out a job with the team. I am not defending Angelos' resume as a owner at all. I called him out on some quotes he made a couple of months ago about the timing of the franchises' struggles.

Look at how the column is written it starts out mentioning the Orioles current record. Kenny worked here, he knows how upset the fanbase is and how much Angelos is despised. Rosenthal is very talented at stirring the pot. It looks like a backpage New York headline, big headline with very little substance. There may be very legitimate reasons why Cal and the Orioles aren't together right now but that isn't as sexy as the way Rosenthal tells the story.

[Slappy]

Oh man, this is rich! Get your umbrellas, a whole $4!t storm is about to descent upon Camden Yards!

Can't wait to read more about this one as a once-proud franchise continues to sink into bad drama. Angelos, it's really time to go.

[DrLev]

I'm going to reserve judgment here for the time being. If this is indeed true, I'll be quite upset. That said, Rosenthal's had an agenda for years. He drags Angelos into everything even peripherally related to the Orioles. I don't see why he'd have a reason to lie here, but with 3 seemingly contradictory statements in the same article, I think this needs to be sorted out before anything can really be said. If this had come from the pen of Tom Verducci, I'd probably be grabbing my pitchfork right now.

[orioles119]

There's too many contradictatory statements here to believe anything until Ripken speaks. I'll hold judgment until Ripken speaks about the matter.

It's been quite a while since Angelos reared his ugly head.

[ChrisP]

Yep...This will be the last straw with many fans.

Yeah, and I'm one of them. It's just a matter of who my new team will be...

[JTrea81]

It's been quite a while since Angelos reared his ugly head.

Not really. Just this winter he mentioned that MacPhail's plan would never work for sustained competitiveness because the O's couldn't generate enough revenue.

This despite owning an RSN...

[BaltBird 24]

Reason #34645 why the Orioles are a complete joke of an organization from top to bottom. Do rumors like these even surprise people anymore?

[SrMeowMeow]

Wow. I'm sure there will be more to this, but wow.

[JTrea81]

Come on, Sly. You see a picture of 4 Orioles and think the 5th one's been traded or isn't liked by the front office. You're the biggest conspiracy theorist I've ever seen in my life. You read into oatmeal for the love of God.

Read my sig. Or better yet I'll provide the entire quote:


He believes franchises such as the Orioles -- unable to generate huge revenues -- cannot remain competitive, or at least stay even with teams such as the Yankees and Red Sox.

"It's a question of how much money you can generate," he said. "Once in a while there is an exception to that rule, but it cannot be sustained year-to-year. It's an old story: How much money do you have? We're in that kind of economic system and those rules apply."

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100201&content_id=8007408&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

[Sports Guy]

Reason #34645 why the Orioles are a complete joke of an organization from top to bottom. Do rumors like these even surprise people anymore?
Actually, this one does surprise me.

PA has always liked Cal and understands his value to the city...If he did indeed do this, I will be surprised.

[ChrisP]

I'm not going to just find a new team, I might even root against them for PA's sake...ok the whole AL East.

[DuffMan]

Ugh what's next?:(

[brooksie05]

Thank goodness Angelos is 81 years old.

[Hank Scorpio]

Read my sig. Or better yet I'll provide the entire quote:



http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100201&content_id=8007408&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

Did you change what you were responding to?

I erased it because I initially thought you were responding to DrLev saying he's reserving judgement and is going to let it play out.

I think my eyes might just be bleeding from all the losing.

[orioles119]

I'm not going to just find a new team, I might even root against them for PA's sake...ok the whole AL East.
Good-bye then.

This news (if true and not the product of another Rosenthal axe to grind) is awful, but how is it the fault of the players on the field now? What about Matusz, Wieters, Markakis, etc.? Remember them?

[JTrea81]

Thank goodness Angelos is 81 years old.

It will just go to his sons eventually, and supposedly John is worse...

I just hope either they don't want the team or PGA sells it before that happens.

[BaltBird 24]

It will just go to his sons eventually, and supposedly John is worse...

I just hope either they don't want the team or PGA sells it before that happens.

They'll probably be relocated before the Angelos reign is complete....

[JTrea81]

Did you change what you were responding to?

I erased it because I initially thought you were responding to DrLev saying he's reserving judgement and is going to let it play out.

I think my eyes might just be bleeding from all the losing.

Well the quote was for orioles119 when he said we hadn't heard from Angelos in a while.

Sadly that wasn't the case...

[Hank Scorpio]

Good-bye then.

This news (if true and not the product of another Rosenthal axe to grind) is awful, but how is it the fault of the players on the field now? What about Matusz, Wieters, Markakis, etc.? Remember them?

Can we blame them for the 1-10 start?

[Hank Scorpio]

Well the quote was for orioles119 when he said we hadn't heard from Angelos in a while.

Sadly that wasn't the case...

My bad, Sly!!!!!

I think you made a wise decision not to buy the MLB package this year. It's hideous.

[JTrea81]

Can we blame them for the 1-10 start?

Hey the game isn't over yet... :p

[Hank Scorpio]

Hey the game isn't over yet... :p

Wanna bet?

[berto]

They'll probably be relocated before the Angelos reign is complete....

I have always feared that would happen, especially the last decade. Is there any way or a legitimate chance that would happen?

[El Gordo]

I find this hard to believe. It makes no sense and I don't believe PA is senile. I do believe that Rosenthal has an agenda, and he need not be lying to be disorting what happened.

[JTrea81]

Wanna bet?

I was just kidding obviously, we know how this script is going to go...

[Jimbo81]

I am a homer for the most part but, reading this concerns me.

I said in another thread, Cal can do anything he wants in this organization except manage (GM included) because, managers get fired and this city can not handle firing a hero. No point in putting Cal in that situation. Maybe this has something, however remote it is, to this whole thing

[SteveA]

It will just go to his sons eventually, and supposedly John is worse...

I just hope either they don't want the team or PGA sells it before that happens.

Well, maybe John will wind up surprising us. Jim Irsay turned out to be a good owner, sometimes the apple rolls far away from the tree.

Grasping at straws. Because there's nothing left to grasp.

WIGGY!

[JTrea81]

I have always feared that would happen, especially the last decade. Is there any way or a legitimate chance that would happen?

Heck I think that's about the only way he could top himself at this point with screwing over the Orioles fans.

He seems to take pleasure in it nowadays...

Maybe he could relocate them to Manchester, NH... :laughlol:

[weams]

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[Miller192]

Hey, why not? Our team hasn't been good since Bill Parcells coached the Jets.

No one from Baltimore goes to Oriole Park anymore.

Baltimore might be on the road jerseys but there's little attachment to the team here.

Tell Ripken to stay home. Angelos doesn't need him, he's got a tired Mike Flanagan to push around.

[Jimbo81]

Hey, why not? Our team hasn't been good since Bill Parcells coached the Jets.

No one from Baltimore goes to Oriole Park anymore.

Baltimore might be on the road jerseys but there's little attachment to the team here.

Tell Ripken to stay home. Angelos doesn't need him, he's got a tired Mike Flanagan to push around.

Point taken!

but, I'm dissapointed!

[orioles119]

Here's a novel question... I'm in no way defending Angelos, but what exactly would Ripken do to quote "turn things around?" Who's to say that this team and franchise is beyond repair?

[MikeAD]

This still doesn't make any sense.

And I guess people are finding out about it. My grandfather only passively follows this team now a days, says he'd rather watch 'real baseball.' He called me from Vegas (he stays there in the winter) to talk about this.

[Hank Scorpio]

This still doesn't make any sense.

And I guess people are finding out about it. My grandfather only passively follows this team now a days, says he'd rather watch 'real baseball.' He called me from Vegas (he stays there in the winter) to talk about this.

I'm sure he's pleased.

[Mackus]

If Ripken only is looking for a minor, consultant-type role, and MacPhail thinks that he would be a valuable addition, why the hell wouldn't they bring him in?

The biggest reason I don't want Cal as a manager is because I'd never want to have to fire him. But in a small role simply helping our young studs adjust to MLB and make the necessary strides to become stars, where is the downside?

Man this has been a rough couple weeks to be an Orioles fan.

[BarclaySouthway]

Tomorrow Rosenthal is gonna report that Angelos has invented a device that blocks out the sun.

[eddie83]

Angelos never speaks but now would be a good time, at least MacPhail. I am sick and tired of seeing this team be beat around like a pinata. I would call Rosenthal out, it is time to purge this negative perception. The team needs to stand up for itself.

[Moose Milligan]

Man, you know it's bad when El Trea is looking sane and rational here and people are actually agreeing with him.

What was that thread about becoming a Yankees fan? Is it too late to turn in my fan card?

[Miller192]

Tomorrow Rosenthal is gonna report that Angelos has invented a device that blocks out the sun.

I like it.

Angelos would probably agree that the moon does that occasionally but he doesn't want the moon to get credit for it.

[Hank Scorpio]

The funny part about all of this is that Angelos assumes we'll return to prominence.

:laughlol:

Pretty sure you're safe, Pete.

[eddie83]

If Ripken only is looking for a minor, consultant-type role, and MacPhail thinks that he would be a valuable addition, why the hell wouldn't they bring him in?

The biggest reason I don't want Cal as a manager is because I'd never want to have to fire him. But in a small role simply helping our young studs adjust to MLB and make the necessary strides to become stars, where is the downside?

Man this has been a rough couple weeks to be an Orioles fan.

Because if it didn't work than it would make Cal or Andy look bad.:(
according to Ken 'TMZ' Rosenthal.

[ChaosLex]

I really :cussing: hate this team at times. :mad::(

[orioles119]

Can't the minority owners stand up and stop this crap? Honestly... there are others who have investment in the Orioles... can't they do something? Anything?

[Mackus]

I don't think anyone can really put any amount of credence into the "quotes" or really, paraphrases, or what Angelos said to Ripken, if this was even ever brought up.

I have an easier time believing that Rosenthal is just completely making something up (or his multiple sources are) than I do Angelos rejecting Cal's offer to rejoin the organization. It just doesn't make any amount of sense, even if you look at things through a completely warped perspective.

I need (another) beer.

[Mooreisbetter27]

Tomorrow Rosenthal is gonna report that Angelos has invented a device that blocks out the sun.

http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif

http://wisportsconsin.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/0511angelos.jpg

Hauntingly similar...

[carolinaoriole]

I would have to be a complete idiot to believe this story!!!!!!
What is the next scoop for this so called journalist ?
Is the earth flat?
Do pigs fly?
Does it really rain cats and dogs?
Why do people belive this guy?
He has shown that he has no credibility at all over the last couple of years by being caught making up stories.
When will fox sports give him the heave ho??????
I guess some folks just believe anything negative about Angelos and little Kenny knows it.
So whenever he needs to he can just say whatever.
He has a license to lie.

[Miller192]

I don't think anyone can really put any amount of credence into the "quotes" or really, paraphrases, or what Angelos said to Ripken, if this was even ever brought up.

I have an easier time believing that Rosenthal is just completely making something up (or his multiple sources are) than I do Angelos rejecting Cal's offer to rejoin the organization. It just doesn't make any amount of sense, even if you look at things through a completely warped perspective.

I need (another) beer.

I think it may not make sense but this just feels like something Angelos might do.

We'll see what comes of this. Ripken isn't going to be able to avoid the question so I think we'll get something out of this.

I want to get past Roch's eventual rug sweep on this and find out what really happened.

[Mackus]

I think it may not make sense but this just feels like something Angelos might do.

We'll see what comes of this. Ripken isn't going to be able to avoid the question so I think we'll get something out of this.

I want to get past Roch's eventual rug sweep on this and find out what really happened.Its just too ridiculous, and too potentially damning, to make unfounded conjecture about. And I mean that both from Rosenthal's standpoint of reporting it initially and from our standpoint of not overreacting to whatever this is until we know some more.

Moving from beer to liquor.

[eddie83]

I have read the story about 5 times.
My question is Why was Cal not hired?
A) Angelos didn't want him to get any credit
B) Angelos was worried that it would make MacPhail look like he wasn't in control
C) Angelos didn't want to put Cal in a position to fail
D) All of the above

If he didn't want any significant authority then why would any of A-B or C apply?

[weams]

http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif

http://wisportsconsin.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/0511angelos.jpg

Hauntingly similar...

No Sun Block There.

[Miller192]

Its just too ridiculous, and too potentially damning, to make unfounded conjecture about. And I mean that both from Rosenthal's standpoint of reporting it initially and from our standpoint of not overreacting to whatever this is until we know some more.

Moving from beer to liquor.

I agree. It sounds nuts to me but I hope Rosenthal has a little bit of journalistic integrity to drag a member of the Orioles royal family through something that might be unfounded.

It's going to be an interesting couple of days.

Cheers.

[TradeAngelos]

So if you are Ripken and get asked about this what do you say?

No Comment? Basically admitting it happened but just not coming out and saying it.

A PC generic comment? To keep the relationship somewhat intact if Cal ever had ownership or another role in mind for the future, while not really saying anything of substance on the matter.

Or say it happened? And stick it to Angelos and have the whole world know it, and risking future opportunities with the team under Angelos.

Deny it? That would not seem to be an option, unless Cal wanted to defend Angelos while lying to the entire fanbase if we are to believe Rosenthal. But hey nothing is impossible...I guess.

[isestrex]

So if you are Ripken and get asked about this what do you say?

No Comment? Basically admitting it happened but just not coming out and saying it.

A PC generic comment? To keep the relationship somewhat intact if Cal ever had ownership or another role in mind for the future, while not realllly saying anything of substance on the matter.

Or say it happened? And stick it to Angelos and have the whole world know it, and risking future opportunities with the team under Angelos.

Deny it? That would not seem to be an option, unless Cal wanted to defend Angelos while lying to the entire fanbase if we are to believe Rosenthal. But hey nothing is impossible...I guess.

Cal is Mr. PC when it comes to these things. He won't say anything juicy.

[Stotle]

Just got home from a late dinner in the city. So, what did I miss?

[carolinaoriole]

I think it may not make sense but this just feels like something Angelos might do.

We'll see what comes of this. Ripken isn't going to be able to avoid the question so I think we'll get something out of this.

I want to get past Roch's eventual rug sweep on this and find out what really happened.

What really happened is that Roenthal is making up stuff again.

[v4npro]

If Cal took over as Manager of the O's right now, I wouldn't be surprised if Orioles become .500 team.

[treasure07]

Just got home from a late dinner in the city. So, what did I miss?

Apparently, not much. Just the same old crap.

[weams]

Just got home from a late dinner in the city. So, what did I miss?

Multiple Double Plays.

[carolinaoriole]

Cal is Mr. PC when it comes to these things. He won't say anything juicy.
What I would like to see asked is why does rosenthal make up stories?

[Tank]

I'm holding out for more information before I make any snap judgements on this one. I hope it isn't true.

[dan-O]

Rick Pitino, anyone?


Larry Bird is not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old. What we are is young, exciting, hard-working, and we're going to improve. People don't realize that, and as soon as they realize those three guys are not coming through that door, the better this town will be for all of us because there are young guys in that (locker) room playing their asses off. I wish we had $90 million under the salary cap. I wish we could buy the world. We can't; the only thing we can do is work hard, and all the negativity that's in this town sucks.

Cal Ripken isn't walking through that door, guys. And even if he does, he's not going to magically save the franchise. Just win ballgames.

[Miller192]

What really happened is that Roenthal is making up stuff again.


What I would like to see asked is why does rosenthal make up stories?

Do you have any evidence or links of him making stuff up in the past? Not being a smartass, just asking.

[carolinaoriole]

Do you have any evidence or links of him making stuff up in the past? Not being a smartass, just asking.

Read his stories and then see what happens.
I can not remember the player, but a couple of years ago he claimed that the braves had signed a shortstop.
The Braves publicly denied it, and the gm of the Braves claimed that the story was a total fabrication.
The player later signed with the Dodgers.

Who is he accountable to?
Where is his sources ?
Where is his proof ?
He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.
Is Journalism dead.
Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?
It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

[rooster1]

Can we please make a new thread if this story is ever verified by Cal, PA, or AM?? Not that this isn't a good thread or anything it would just be nice to hear the actual confirmed facts instead of surfing through 11 pages of speculation.

With that being said, I really, really, really hope this isn't true. . . definitely the lowest point in O's baseball over the last 12 years. .

[BaltimoreTerp]

Read his stories and then see what happens.
I can not remember the player, but a couple of years ago he claimed that the braves had signed a shortstop.
The Braves publicly denied it, and the gm of the Braves claimed that the story was a total fabrication.
The player later signed with the Dodgers.

Who is he accountable to?
Where is his sources ?
Where is his proof ?
He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.
Is Journalism dead.
Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?
It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

Not to defend Rosenthal, but apparently if you were in charge of Journalism there wouldn't be a single writer left. Because I guarantee every one of them has a story just like that.

[crissfan172]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.



Hey...he has confidence in the team! :)

[treasure07]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

So...... Angelos actually told Cal that he did not want Cal to take the credit? I don't know about you but that's an insult to Cal. If I were Cal, I'd be royally pissed about that!

And here is the thing I don't get.... why were there two conversations with Cal? One with MacPhail and one with Angelos? I would imagine they would be sitting down together in the same room having the meeting, right?

[crissfan172]

So...... Angelos actually told Cal that he did not want Cal to take the credit? I don't know about you but that's an insult to Cal. If I were Cal, I'd be royally pissed about that!

Well sure...but ya see...he said, "when we return to prominence" not if. Doesn't that make you happy a little? :p

[GoldGlove21]

Who is he accountable to?

His employer, we may not like him, but the guy knows what he is doing.

Where is his sources ?

A journalist never gives up their sources, because that would be an end of the information flow.

Where is his proof ?

Sources are not proof, he doesn't need proof he just needs to be reasonably certain that 90% of the details are accurate.

He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.

This isn't some guy running his own blog, this is a guy who has been in the industry a long time. If Peter Gammons cranks out a story for ESPN do you believe it?

Is Journalism dead.

The internet probably aided this mindset. Information is released so quickly that double checking your sources and gathering more info is bypassed in order to be the first to break the story.

Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?

How does the Sun prove their stories? Talk to a witness of two? That is still not proof. Unless something is recorded or documented from the original source then proof is useless. Proof is what you need to put a criminal behind bars, in journalism you just need credible sources which I am sure he had.

It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

Why is this so hard to believe for folks. Peter Angelos single handedly ran this team into the ground. Given a chance to help the team he declines due to his ego. News flash Peter, Cal Ripken is one of the main reasons why your attendance went down by almost 2 million over the last 7 years. Thanks for making the game of baseball harder than it needs to be.

[carolinaoriole]

Who is he accountable to?

His employer, we may not like him, but the guy knows what he is doing.

Where is his sources ?

A journalist never gives up their sources, because that would be an end of the information flow.

Where is his proof ?

Sources are not proof, he doesn't need proof he just needs to be reasonably certain that 90% of the details are accurate.

He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.

This isn't some guy running his own blog, this is a guy who has been in the industry a long time. If Peter Gammons cranks out a story for ESPN do you believe it?

Is Journalism dead.

The internet probably aided this mindset. Information is released so quickly that double checking your sources and gathering more info is bypassed in order to be the first to break the story.

Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?

How does the Sun prove their stories? Talk to a witness of two? That is still not proof. Unless something is recorded or documented from the original source then proof is useless. Proof is what you need to put a criminal behind bars, in journalism you just need credible sources which I am sure he had.

It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

Why is this so hard to believe for folks. Peter Angelos single handedly ran this team into the ground. Given a chance to help the team he declines due to his ego. News flash Peter, Cal Ripken is one of the main reasons why your attendance went down by almost 2 million over the last 7 years. Thanks for making the game of baseball harder than it needs to be.

Dude!!!
Peter Gammons is worse than little kenny!!!!!!!!
He is like the king !!!
Why do peoiple just blindly believe this junk ????
It is like the tooth fairy
All I am saying is look at the track record of Rosenthal the infamous ax grinder with a huge grain of salt.

[JayThomas]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

I'm sorry, I just find this a little bit incredible. Outside of MacPhail, there were three sources in the conversation between Angelos and Ripken who ALL reported this to Rosenthal???? Are you kidding me? Maybe three different persons told this to Rosenthal, but if Andy MacPhail isn't in the room, who the hell else is in there with Big Pete and Cal?

[carolinaoriole]

Not to defend Rosenthal, but apparently if you were in charge of Journalism there wouldn't be a single writer left. Because I guarantee every one of them has a story just like that.

A made up story??

[GoldGlove21]

Dude!!!
Peter Gammons is worse than little kenny!!!!!!!!
He is like the king !!!
Why do peoiple just blindly believe this junk ????
It is like the tooth fairy
All I am saying is look at the track record of Rosenthal the infamous ax grinder with a huge grain of salt.

I will in the same manner that I look at the way the Orioles run thier organization with a huge grain of salt. Rosenthal is a much better journalist than the Orioles are a baseball team at this point. I might not trust either one, but it seems that a lot of people have beef with the Orioles. We are a crap organization right now and it is hard for me to say that. Nothing Angelos could do or say would shock me right now.

I will say this, even Rosenthal just cooked this up it was a good one! Nothing will get Orioles fans upset more than Cal being rejected. If it brings about change for the better then I do not care if it was true or not. I have a new promotion, instead of giving away magnet schedules to the first 25,000 fans they should give away wins. Wait they are already doing that!!! :rolleyes:

[jets4ever]

Actually, this one does surprise me.

PA has always liked Cal and understands his value to the city...If he did indeed do this, I will be surprised.

It seems he may not.

[GoldGlove21]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

I'm sorry, I just find this a little bit incredible. Outside of MacPhail, there were three sources in the conversation between Angelos and Ripken who ALL reported this to Rosenthal???? Are you kidding me? Maybe three different persons told this to Rosenthal, but if Andy MacPhail isn't in the room, who the hell else is in there with Big Pete and Cal?

So when ESPN announces breaks a story of a trade between two teams the source was always in the room? You couldn't have an internal discussion in my office behing closed doors without some folks either hearing it or hearing about it. People might not know what Cal said to Angelos directly, but they likely knew Cal was coming in and could easily know why he was coming in. I am sure people at MASN hear things they can not report because they work for MASN.

Look at the sources we have in Maryland. We have MASN, WNST, The Sun, and ESPN. MASN and ESPN have ties with the team as does the Sun. WNST has limited sources because they are so hard on the team, but even then we find out things from them that is not announced on the mothership. If we are going this route, then news would never be reported. I think it is just a nieve way of looking at how journalists operate.

[GoldGlove21]

It seems he may not.

If I were Peter Angelos and wanted to keep my team, Cal Ripken is the one guy who would worry me. He is beloved throughout the game and I could only imagine that MLB would love to see Ripken replace a guy like Angelos.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Oh this is awesome:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Sources-say-Orioles-turned-down-Cal-Ripken-for-job-041610

If this is true..I am not happy:angryfire:
I love CAL!:)

[carolinaoriole]

I will in the same manner that I look at the way the Orioles run thier organization with a huge grain of salt. Rosenthal is a much better journalist than the Orioles are a baseball team at this point. I might not trust either one, but it seems that a lot of people have beef with the Orioles. We are a crap organization right now and it is hard for me to say that. Nothing Angelos could do or say would shock me right now.

I will say this, even Rosenthal just cooked this up it was a good one! Nothing will get Orioles fans upset more than Cal being rejected. If it brings about change for the better then I do not care if it was true or not. I have a new promotion, instead of giving away magnet schedules to the first 25,000 fans they should give away wins. Wait they are already doing that!!! :rolleyes:

It breaks my heart that the orioles are losing .
Cal is our hero but his time has passed.
Just like Brooks and Frank and Palmers time before him.
We need new heroes.
And perhaps if people like Rosenthal would use the platform that they have to call out the problems that help to cause once great teams like the Orioles and Pirates and Royals to be annual losers.
I would have more faith in them.

Instead they spend there time on crap like this.
If I ever get the chance to meet him ,I am going to point blank ask him why he does not spend more time exposing the fact that the game is rigged for a few teams to win.
And why he makes stuff up!!!!!

[Roy Firestone]

Oh this is awesome:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Sources-say-Orioles-turned-down-Cal-Ripken-for-job-041610

But if even some of it is true,its an embarrassment to this once proud organization. First Brooks, now Cal. If its true, the Orioles should be ashamed.

[PitchingWins]

But if even some of it is true,its an embarrassment to this once proud organization. First Brooks, now Cal. If its true, the Orioles should be ashamed.

Roy,

Should I believe this? I mean what was said. I just, I just, don't know. Since you are in the industry. Is Rosenthal to be trusted? Could this be true?

[carolinaoriole]

But if even some of it is true,its an embarrassment to this once proud organization. First Brooks, now Cal. If its true, the Orioles should be ashamed.

Perhaps someone could call in to Cal and Billy's XM radio show next week and ask him.
For the record if he says it is true I will eat my Oriole batting helmet and never question Rosenthal again.

[BaltimoreTerp]

A made up story??

Ah, so you understand nothing at all about journalism. Gotcha.

[UMDTerrapins]

What shocks me is that people have trouble believing this.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

I'm sorry, I just find this a little bit incredible. Outside of MacPhail, there were three sources in the conversation between Angelos and Ripken who ALL reported this to Rosenthal???? Are you kidding me? Maybe three different persons told this to Rosenthal, but if Andy MacPhail isn't in the room, who the hell else is in there with Big Pete and Cal?

Or he heard parts, possibly some overlapping, from three separate sources, and put it together himself. That's what reporters do.

[carolinaoriole]

Ah, so you understand nothing at all about journalism. Gotcha.

I understand that I believe that every one of them has there own agenda.
take espn for example.
They of course are based very close to new york.
And they go home after work and if they have a family they probably watch sports at home with there kids and the rest of there family and friends.
And if they take the kids to the mall and they buy little johnny a derek jeter jersey and go to the game and cheer on the Yankees.
Do you believe that it is possible for that person to be unbiased?
I do not, and that is fine just be open about it.


I trust Angelos a lot more than some guy with a typewriter and an agenda.

[UMDTerrapins]

I really hope that AM was one of the sources. Honestly, if I was AM and was told that I would have total control over baseball decisions, but something so 100% logical was vetoed purely for vanity's sake, I'd leak it. And consider quitting. The only thing I can agree with is PA's sense that his legacy in Baltimore is villainous and Cal would take away some credit if the team returned to respectability. Spot on.

[NewMarketSean]

Yep...This will be the last straw with many fans.

You know what. I am awake at 6:30 on a Saturday morning because I wanted to see the score of the game last night. Now i don't know why I bothered.

This is making me consider watching another game with Angelos as owner. It's that bad.

[Welcome_Home]

I really hope that AM was one of the sources. Honestly, if I was AM and was told that I would have total control over baseball decisions, but something so 100% logical was vetoed purely for vanity's sake, I'd leak it. And consider quitting. The only thing I can agree with is PA's sense that his legacy in Baltimore is villainous and Cal would take away some credit if the team returned to respectability. Spot on.

Spite is great motivation for AM. True or Untrue this is sad.

[AlbNYfan]

I'm not sure whether it's true or false. I don't see why Rosenthal would write an article that didn't have some basis of truth...and of course if Cal offered some type of help or consultation to the O's and PA refused it, it would seem to be a stupid thing to do. But, really what sort of thing or how involved was Cal's offer to the team? I get the feeling that Cal is very busy and still wants to be available for his family. I am surprised that he doesn't spend time down in ST with the O's. Was he at the O's opener??? So, perhaps PA is jealous of Cal and the attention he would get. But, really, how would he improve this team if he was allowed to join it? I love Cal and think he is a wonderful ambassador to the game, but what tangible way would help improve this team? If you think he'd bring back the Oriole Way or his work ethic to the team you are crazy. Cal, Brooks, Frank, Palmer, Eddie are wonderful memories and they should be treated with respect for all their accomplishments. However, I don't think anyone of them can wave their O's hat and Oriole Magic will return.

[Dr. FLK]

On the bright side...Cal doesn't have to worry about this sorry cast of characters tarnishing his image...;)

[Dr. FLK]

I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned...

But I'm watching SC now...and the FIRST thing said during the highlights from last night's game was "The Orioles owner recently declined Cal Ripken's offer to come in and work with these young players...". Ha! Let the national beatdown begin...

[joeride]

If it's proven to be true, and I believe it. I think I will give up baseball until Peter the Creep is gone from the Orioles.
This is like your only daughter marrying a worthless piece of crap. Only she could get out it buy a court of law. The Orioles can't until something drastic happens.

[Dr. FLK]

If it's proven to be true, and I believe it. I think I will give up baseball until Peter the Creep is gone from the Orioles.
This is like your only daughter marrying a worthless piece of crap. Only she could get out it buy a court of law. The Orioles can't until something drastic happens.

So if you're daughter married a piece of crap, you'd give up on her? Just watch the games, root for the Os, and root for PA to be carted away to an Asylum. It's more fun than giving up on baseball. Baseball = Good. Angelos = Bad. Just separate the two and root for the birds.

[mikezpen]

I don't care if it's true or not. More people will beat on Angelos as a result. I really hope there will be some pressure for him to sell the Orioles.That's the only thing that will save this franchise.

[crpravens30]

How exactly would Cal help?

Cal is not a leader at all. IMO

[TinCup]

Whether true or not, fact or fiction, Angelos and the O's do NOT need this crap.

[Peace21]

Whether true or not, fact or fiction, Angelos and the O's do NOT need this crap.

This could be a PR nightmare

[TinCup]

I don't care if it's true or not. More people will beat on Angelos as a result. I really hope there will be some pressure for him to sell the Orioles.That's the only thing that will save this franchise.

I am not as big a PA basher as some, but I am one who thinks, and who has thought for a LONG time now, the O's would and will be better off when Angelos and his family sell the O's.


Unfortunately for those who share this opinion, I do not see that happening.

[joeride]

So if you're daughter married a piece of crap, you'd give up on her? Just watch the games, root for the Os, and root for PA to be carted away to an Asylum. It's more fun than giving up on baseball. Baseball = Good. Angelos = Bad. Just separate the two and root for the birds.

No I just stopped giving money I always supported her, she just had to see the light. Now with a great person. I will not give money to the Orioles what so ever. I hope the team is as lucky as my daughter is now.
Down with peter angelos

[baltfan]

This is waaayyy overblown. It isn't like there are no former Orioles that Angelos has hired. Flanagan, McGregor, Hoiles, Dempsey, those are pretty big Orioles names.

He is the owner. He can hire who he wants. I would love to have Ripken involved with this team, but you are fooling yourselves if you don't see how that could be complicated given his status as a legend.

Ripken has said that he and Angelos are fine. I am sure they still are. He will be back in the fold eventually.

[TinCup]

This is waaayyy overblown. It isn't like there are no former Orioles that Angelos has hired. Flanagan, McGregor, Hoiles, Dempsey, those are pretty big Orioles names.

He is the owner. He can hire who he wants. I would love to have Ripken involved with this team, but you are fooling yourselves if you don't see how that could be complicated given his status as a legend.

Ripken has said that he and Angelos are fine. I am sure they still are. He will be back in the fold eventually.

I beg to differ. Ripken is Mr. Oriole and as great as some of those others were, they pale in comparison to Ripken. He has much greater cache, respect, power, cred. It could well be that PA does not want him in the fold because of these attributes.

Again, this COULD just be a fanciful piece of fiction by KR but if there is any truth to it, its not to be poo poo'd to the side as no big deal. It is and would be very much a BIG deal.

[Peace21]

Can I please save you all hear from jumping off the bay bridge and consider the source here.

[McNulty]

A lot of people in this thread have stated that the article has contradictions in it. I don't see any. Just because he states some things with having 3 sources and others with 1 doesn't make them contradictory.

Having said that, if this is true, I'm going to have a very difficult time carrying on with this team. Its so easy to say thing like that with this terrible start, but I don't feel like its irrational for this to be the straw that breaks my back.

I'm sure if I quit it will be unsuccessful, but I still might try.

[Stotle]

I beg to differ. Ripken is Mr. Oriole and as great as some of those others were, they pale in comparison to Ripken. He has much greater cache, respect, power, cred. It could well be that PA does not want him in the fold because of these attributes.

Again, this COULD just be a fanciful piece of fiction by KR but if there is any truth to it, its not to be poo poo'd to the side as no big deal. It is and would be very much a BIG deal.

Agreed. I think Ripken is EXACTLY the kid of name you want helping out with a young team. Players can tune out coaches to some extent. No one is going to ignore the historical face of a franchise if he sits down and talks shop with you. It'd be great if there were some young IF to work with, but eventually we're talking about Bell, Hoes, Snyder, etc., and I'm sure Cal could work with the likes of Jones, Pie and even Markakis with regards to hitting, approach, game prep and maintaining energy and focus throughout a long season.

I don't know how big a deal this story is -- I've read it a couple times and just can't make up my mind. But I'd love to see Cal back with the O's in some capacity, and working with the younger players seems like a pretty great fit. Shrug.

[baltfan]

Can I please save you all hear from jumping off the bay bridge and consider the source here.

This is the kind of pablum that was being spewed when Rosenthal was saying Tex wasn't coming here. Rosenthal is very credible and still has close ties with people involved with the Orioles. People need to stop with this ridiculousness.

[baltfan]

Agreed. I think Ripken is EXACTLY the kid of name you want helping out with a young team. Players can tune out coaches to some extent. No one is going to ignore the historical face of a franchise if he sits down and talks shop with you. It'd be great if there were some young IF to work with, but eventually we're talking about Bell, Hoes, Snyder, etc., and I'm sure Cal could work with the likes of Jones, Pie and even Markakis with regards to hitting, approach, game prep and maintaining energy and focus throughout a long season.

I don't know how big a deal this story is -- I've read it a couple times and just can't make up my mind. But I'd love to see Cal back with the O's in some capacity, and working with the younger players seems like a pretty great fit. Shrug.

What evidence do you have that any of these guys aren't listening? I agree that Ripken could be helpful, but short of losing 50 lbs and 25 years, and then suiting up it is unlikely he would make much of a difference, especially this year.

[UMDTerrapins]

What's surprising to me is that it isn't a bigger story. I'd love to know the maneuvering going on behind the scenes. At the minimum there should be some irate people in the warehouse.

[Don_Aase_Fan]

After reading the article, I'm pretty much speechless. Wow. I mean, the Orioles being 1-10, losers of their last eight and pretty much the worst team in baseball wasn't enough, huh? We had to go here. PA turning down arguably the best Oriole of all time for a job within the organization? Sweet.

I am truly at my wit's end with this god-forsaken team.

[Sports Guy]

What's surprising to me is that it isn't a bigger story. I'd love to know the maneuvering going on behind the scenes. At the minimum there should be some irate people in the warehouse.

I have to think people are scrambling to get confirmation of this story...If this ends up being accurate, it will become a big story, especially locally.

Oh and btw, when we get back home, we get Boston and NY fans invading the park! :clap3::angryfire:

[Stotle]

What evidence do you have that any of these guys aren't listening? I agree that Ripken could be helpful, but short of losing 50 lbs and 25 years, and then suiting up it is unlikely he would make much of a difference, especially this year.

Let's work on the reading comp. I'm pretty sure the excerpt you bolded is future tense and the effect of having Ripken help would be in the future. I don't think I claim anywhere Ripken would make any difference this year. If you think adding well-regarded former players to the instructional staff wouldn't have any positive effects -- well you are entitled to any incorrect opinion you'd like. :)

[UMDTerrapins]

What evidence do you have that any of these guys aren't listening? I agree that Ripken could be helpful, but short of losing 50 lbs and 25 year and then suiting up it is unlikely he would make much of a difference, especially this year.

This isn't at all about what Cal can offer in this new capacity. It is simply about the fact that Angelos wants to return the O's back to a winner, and he wants the credit. Everyone knows that Cal is the public's no-brainer choice as next owner of the franchise. He's a hero and Angelos is a villain. Angelos wants no part of further vilifying his legacy and he clearly has issues with the Ripken aura.

It's funny because back when he took over from Jacobs, everyone trumpeted how great it was to have local ownership. Local boy makes good....we never have to worry about the moving of the franchise. The problem is that a local inept egomaniac is a nightmare scenario. He won't sell until he restores the family name. But we can't win as long as he's at the helm. And so goes the wrecking of a franchise that had previously been one of sports proudest.

I hold him solely responsible for destroying one of the few things Baltimoreans could be proud of. Pure contempt. Irsay caliber disdain.

I still believe in the core that AM has built. I'll still follow the team passionately like I have my whole life. But my personal boycott of Camden Yards is in season 5. I still hold that I'll never go back until he's gone. I was almost fooled into lifting it this season. No chance now. He still holds himself above all else. What a loser. No other word for him.

[UMDTerrapins]

I have to think people are scrambling to get confirmation of this story...If this ends up being accurate, it will become a big story, especially locally.

Oh and btw, when we get back home, we get Boston and NY fans invading the park! :clap3::angryfire:

I really hope it does blow up. And I hadn't looked at the calendar. Thanks for the heads up. It's good to mentally prepare for national shaming that comes to town. When do we hit bottom? It has to be soon, right?

[Sports Guy]

I really hope it does blow up. And I hadn't looked at the calendar. Thanks for the heads up. It's good to mentally prepare for national shaming that comes to town. When do we hit bottom? It has to be soon, right?

If this story is true, bottom has arrived...Despite the young talent in this organization, a 1-10 start followed by a story like this puts the Orioles at the very bottom.

[Sports Guy]

Source - Peter Angelos as quoted on mlb.com, Sept 28, 2005 (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050928&content_id=1228076&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Such a sad quote...I mean, a quote like that is really just fuel for the "PA only cares about making money" fire.

[OrioleMagic]

I'm not sure whether it's true or false. I don't see why Rosenthal would write an article that didn't have some basis of truth...and of course if Cal offered some type of help or consultation to the O's and PA refused it, it would seem to be a stupid thing to do. But, really what sort of thing or how involved was Cal's offer to the team? I get the feeling that Cal is very busy and still wants to be available for his family. I am surprised that he doesn't spend time down in ST with the O's. Was he at the O's opener??? So, perhaps PA is jealous of Cal and the attention he would get. But, really, how would he improve this team if he was allowed to join it? I love Cal and think he is a wonderful ambassador to the game, but what tangible way would help improve this team? If you think he'd bring back the Oriole Way or his work ethic to the team you are crazy. Cal, Brooks, Frank, Palmer, Eddie are wonderful memories and they should be treated with respect for all their accomplishments. However, I don't think anyone of them can wave their O's hat and Oriole Magic will return.

I disagree with this. I think chemistry is a big issue. I also think the Ripken baseball work ethic would go a long way. Mike Scoscia has been very successful for the Angels. Some might give Joe Girardi some credit in this category as well. Granted, there are some who went back to their team and failed, but there are enough to say that it could work. I don't see Bobby Valentine being a better option. I doubt he would want to work with Angelos anyway.

[RHall31]

This isn't at all about what Cal can offer in this new capacity. It is simply about the fact that Angelos wants to return the O's back to a winner, and he wants the credit. Everyone knows that Cal is the public's no-brainer choice as next owner of the franchise. He's a hero and Angelos is a villain. Angelos wants no part of further vilifying his legacy and he clearly has issues with the Ripken aura.

It's funny because back when he took over from Jacobs, everyone trumpeted how great it was to have local ownership. Local boy makes good....we never have to worry about the moving of the franchise. The problem is that a local inept egomaniac is a nightmare scenario. He won't sell until he restores the family name. But we can't win as long as he's at the helm. And so goes the wrecking of a franchise that had previously been one of sports proudest.

I hold him solely responsible for destroying one of the few things Baltimoreans could be proud of. Pure contempt. Irsay caliber disdain.

I still believe in the core that AM has built. I'll still follow the team passionately like I have my whole life. But my personal boycott of Camden Yards is in season 5. I still hold that I'll never go back until he's gone. I was almost fooled into lifting it this season. No chance now. He still holds himself above all else. What a loser. No other word for him.

I agree. I think if this blows up, Angelos will dig his heels in even deeper.
No chance of him selling the team, especially to a group of investors led by
Ripken.:(


I really hope it does blow up. And I hadn't looked at the calendar. Thanks for the heads up. It's good to mentally prepare for national shaming that comes to town. When do we hit bottom? It has to be soon, right?

I keep telling myself it can't get any worse, but it does. It's like one of those nightmares when you can't breath and can't wake up either.

[Mike B]

This isn't at all about what Cal can offer in this new capacity. It is simply about the fact that Angelos wants to return the O's back to a winner, and he wants the credit. Everyone knows that Cal is the public's no-brainer choice as next owner of the franchise. He's a hero and Angelos is a villain. Angelos wants no part of further vilifying his legacy and he clearly has issues with the Ripken aura.

It's funny because back when he took over from Jacobs, everyone trumpeted how great it was to have local ownership. Local boy makes good....we never have to worry about the moving of the franchise. The problem is that a local inept egomaniac is a nightmare scenario. He won't sell until he restores the family name. But we can't win as long as he's at the helm. And so goes the wrecking of a franchise that had previously been one of sports proudest.

I hold him solely responsible for destroying one of the few things Baltimoreans could be proud of. Pure contempt. Irsay caliber disdain.

I still believe in the core that AM has built. I'll still follow the team passionately like I have my whole life. But my personal boycott of Camden Yards is in season 5. I still hold that I'll never go back until he's gone. I was almost fooled into lifting it this season. No chance now. He still holds himself above all else. What a loser. No other word for him.

I will not defend PGA, because his stewardship of the Orioles has been at best bad...and at worst a disaster. That said, I question whether Rosenthal, who I met a few times when he worked for the Sun, is above molding information into a story to jab the Orioles and especially Angelos. Angelos is an ego maniac who always seems to need to be in control when it comes to personal relationships. He really thinks he is king. As for Rosenthal, his ego, while not on a par with King Pete is certainly in the next neighborhood.
One other thing, the Orioles were a once proud franchise but in all honesty, we were no longer that proud franchise when PGA purchased the Orioles. The decline started with EBW and escalated with Eli Jacobs. PGA threw gasoline on the fire though.

[BrettMeister86]

If true, the tide is about to turn in Camden Yards. Sell to Cal signs everywhere, anti-Angelos statements worse than ever. But here is a question: Lets say you're Dave Trembley and or Matt Wieters. You hear that Cal Ripken, one of the greatest baseball players who ever lived, the Iron Man, wants to come on board and help the team, help young players, and restore a once proud franchise (Ripken + MacPhail would be amazing)...

I know we've never seen one, but couldn't the team itself refuse to play for a meddling owner who flat out denies the help of one of baseball's greatest?

That would be amazing to watch. I know it would make Cal feel wanted, and it would finally shine a national spotlight on how BAD Angelos is?

Could that legally happen, would the players union be behind it?

[TonySoprano]

Such a sad quote...I mean, a quote like that is really just fuel for the "PA only cares about making money" fire.
Take another look at that last line, "soon we'll get the fans back, because we'll make the necessary moves and acquisitions to compete favorably." It's so off reality as to be more laughable than sad.

"Soon?" That quote is 4 1/2 years old.

"We'll get the fans back?" While there's the recognition that attendance is driven by team performance. Here are the numbers since that quote.

2006 2,153,139
2007 2,164,822
2008 1,950,075
2009 1,907,163


"to compete favorably?" - Enough said, really. 2006-2009: 271-376 (.419)

[Hank Scorpio]

I was irate when I first read this article, but I've been talked off the ledge. I'll echo the sentiments of one of my media buddies and say:

Think about this very carefully, and then react to it. First of all, there is a lot to this story that we don't know quite yet, i.e. what MacPhail and Ripken agreed to. MacPhail has a staff of coaches under contract, a manager under contract, and an organization in place. Think about how bringing Cal in to "work with Wieters" may step on the toes of the coaching staff.

Try to forget for a second that the Orioles are 1-10 here, fellas.

You can't bring Cal Ripken into this organization as a part time "helper." If you're bringing him in, you've gotta do it in a grand fashion. The more I think about this, the more it sounds like Rosenthal letting his old affiliations cloud what is probably just bad timing.

Again, we don't know the details about what MacPhail and Cal had agreed to. That's the big wild card, here.

[DrLev]

I was irate when I first read this article, but I've been talked off the ledge. I'll echo the sentiments of one of my media buddies and say:

Think about this very carefully, and then react to it. First of all, there is a lot to this story that we don't know quite yet, i.e. what MacPhail and Ripken agreed to. MacPhail has a staff of coaches under contract, a manager under contract, and an organization in place. Think about how bringing Cal in to "work with Wieters" may step on the toes of the coaching staff.

Try to forget for a second that the Orioles are 1-10 here, fellas.

You can't bring Cal Ripken into this organization as a part time "helper." If you're bringing him in, you've gotta do it in a grand fashion. The more I think about this, the more it sounds like Rosenthal letting his old affiliations cloud what is probably just bad timing.

Again, we don't know the details about what MacPhail and Cal had agreed to. That's the big wild card, here.

I agree with these sentiments. Also note that no one else has reported on this at all, other than by citing the Rosenthal article. Not ESPN, not SI, not CBS Sports. No one. Until we have some corroboration, I can't see this as anything but smoke and mirrors by a biased journalist, however rooted in truth it may be (and the truth is somewhere in there).

[El Gordo]

If true, the tide is about to turn in Camden Yards. Sell to Cal signs everywhere, anti-Angelos statements worse than ever. But here is a question: Lets say you're Dave Trembley and or Matt Wieters. You hear that Cal Ripken, one of the greatest baseball players who ever lived, the Iron Man, wants to come on board and help the team, help young players, and restore a once proud franchise (Ripken + MacPhail would be amazing)...

I know we've never seen one, but couldn't the team itself refuse to play for a meddling owner who flat out denies the help of one of baseball's greatest?

That would be amazing to watch. I know it would make Cal feel wanted, and it would finally shine a national spotlight on how BAD Angelos is?

Could that legally happen, would the players union be behind it?No, the union would not be behind it and the players would never consider it for a second

[TGO]

I agree with these sentiments. Also note that no one else has reported on this at all, other than by citing the Rosenthal article. Not ESPN, not SI, not CBS Sports. No one. Until we have some corroboration, I can't see this as anything but smoke and mirrors by a biased journalist, however rooted in truth it may be (and the truth is somewhere in there).

I haven't made up my mind about the story yet, but if it isn't true, I'm still angry. Either the story is true or someone (or multiple someones, since there are supposedly multiple sources) is trying to sabotage the organization. Rosenthal cannot have just made this up. Whatever the truth is, this team is going to be heavily damaged locally and probably nationally as well.

[NewMarketSean]

I was irate when I first read this article, but I've been talked off the ledge. I'll echo the sentiments of one of my media buddies and say:

Think about this very carefully, and then react to it. First of all, there is a lot to this story that we don't know quite yet, i.e. what MacPhail and Ripken agreed to. MacPhail has a staff of coaches under contract, a manager under contract, and an organization in place. Think about how bringing Cal in to "work with Wieters" may step on the toes of the coaching staff.

Try to forget for a second that the Orioles are 1-10 here, fellas.

You can't bring Cal Ripken into this organization as a part time "helper." If you're bringing him in, you've gotta do it in a grand fashion. The more I think about this, the more it sounds like Rosenthal letting his old affiliations cloud what is probably just bad timing.

Again, we don't know the details about what MacPhail and Cal had agreed to. That's the big wild card, here.

I can't see how any one could not take this news at face value. Look at Angelos' past. This is a page right out of his book.

Cal is a smart guy. He wants to start out small and work his way into things. That is the right way to do it. If this was news of Angelos turning Cal down to be the manager -- I could agree with it. Setting yourself up to have to fire someone like Cal would be a bad situation and potentially end that relationship for life.

But Cal didn't want that. He wanted to do what Palmer essentially does with the pitchers...have an open line of communication with the players as something more than a celebrity speaker and something less than a coach.

It was a win-win and Angelos used his typical lawyer speak to shoot it down with his BS reasoning.

Rosenthal has an axe to grind but his hatred of Angelos is so deep that he is not going to publish a story that could potentially blow up in his face and give Angelos the upper hand. That is why I believe what he says, the sources he used, and the quotes as well. All Ken did was basically say there is still a fire burning at the bottom of the trail of smoke.

We just got a look into the organization again and it wasn't pretty. It's still the same as it was in 2002. Angelos' ego is calling the shots.

[Baltimorebull]

The big question I have with the story is why Ripkins involvement with the Orioles would be considered a slamdunk good thing. I don't think he would make a particularly good owner. . . or a particularly good coach.

He is a nameplate that you put on a jalopy. What can he do to make the team better--- and not simply give the fans warm and fuzzy feelings.

Does anyone think that Cal needs a job?

[BrettMeister86]

No, the union would not be behind it and the players would nebver consider it for a second

Why not? Baseball contracts are guaranteed. They would get paid without playing and force Angelos' hand. If I'm a young player and I could have been under the tutelage of Cal Ripken and the owner says no because he doesn't want him to "receive the glory" I stop playing for that owner. Demand a trade, or just flat out refuse.

This is just wrong...

(again I preface this by saying if true)

[NewMarketSean]

The big question I have with the story is why Ripkins involvement with the Orioles would be considered a slamdunk good thing. I don't think he would make a particularly good owner. . . or a particularly good coach.

He is a nameplate that you put on a jalopy. What can he do to make the team better--- and not simply give the fans warm and fuzzy feelings.

Does anyone think that Cal needs a job?

First off it's RipkEn. How anyone from Baltimore can mess up the spelling of his name is beyond me.

Secondly, when someone like Cal approaches the team and wants to be involved, you pretty much have to say yes unless it's something completely crazy. Cal didn't want to be owner or even a coach. He wanted to help some players like Wieters make some final adjustments to the majors. That's it.

The fact that Angelos doesn't realize this would be a PR nightmare is frightening. Especially in the middle of a 1-10 start. We could be 6-5 right now and it would still be terrible news that would only confirm our fears of Angelos' involvement with the team.

[BrettMeister86]

" Why Ripkin
The big question I have with the story is why Ripkins involvement with the Orioles would be considered a slamdunk good thing. I don't think he would make a particularly good owner. . . or a particularly good coach.

He is a nameplate that you put on a jalopy. What can he do to make the team better--- and not simply give the fans warm and fuzzy feelings.

Does anyone think that Cal needs a job?"

Spell the man's name right and maybe someone will take you seriously you pathetic excuse for a sports fan. Get out of here you freakin loser.

Tony penalize me if you want but I don't let anyone degrade Cal like that.

[Dirtyburnie]

"If" this story is true, there has to be more to it. I refuse to believe we have fallen that far.

[Mark Carver]

The big question I have with the story is why Ripkins involvement with the Orioles would be considered a slamdunk good thing. I don't think he would make a particularly good owner. . . or a particularly good coach.

He is a nameplate that you put on a jalopy. What can he do to make the team better--- and not simply give the fans warm and fuzzy feelings.

Does anyone think that Cal needs a job?

The RIPKEN family name has been associated with Baltimore baseball since 1976... can we spell it correct?

:rolleyes:

[TGO]

The big question I have with the story is why Ripkins involvement with the Orioles would be considered a slamdunk good thing. I don't think he would make a particularly good owner. . . or a particularly good coach.

He is a nameplate that you put on a jalopy. What can he do to make the team better--- and not simply give the fans warm and fuzzy feelings.

Does anyone think that Cal needs a job?

First of all, do you really not know how to spell the guy's name?

The story indicates that all Cal wanted to do was to reach out to some of the players and offer advice on things like how to prepare for games, how to practice, etc. He would absolutely be an asset doing something like that. He learned from his father that perfect practice makes perfect, and no one ever worked harder, or smarter, than him. I agree that in certain roles he might not necessarily be a good fit. I don't think he'd be a good manager or hitting coach, for instance. But doing this, he could handle.

[TGO]

Why not? Baseball contracts are guaranteed. They would get paid without playing and force Angelos' hand. If I'm a young player and I could have been under the tutelage of Cal Ripken and the owner says no because he doesn't want him to "receive the glory" I stop playing for that owner. Demand a trade, or just flat out refuse.

This is just wrong...

(again I preface this by saying if true)

The players absolutely would not get paid if they refused to play. The guarantee in a guaranteed contract means they get paid if they're injured or released, not that they don't have to show up to work.

[NewMarketSean]

First of all, do you really not know how to spell the guy's name?

The story indicates that all Cal wanted to do was to reach out to some of the players and offer advice on things like how to prepare for games, how to practice, etc. He would absolutely be an asset doing something like that. He learned from his father that perfect practice makes perfect, and no one ever worked harder, or smarter, than him. I agree that in certain roles he might not necessarily be a good fit. I don't think he'd be a good manager or hitting coach, for instance. But doing this, he could handle.

Basically Baltimorebull was saying he is against the Oriole Way.

[SaltDoggyDog]

" Why Ripkin

Spell the man's name right and maybe someone will take you seriously you pathetic excuse for a sports fan. Get out of here you freakin loser.

.

Is it really that serious? Dude you are on a chat forum. Calm down!

[Baltimorebull]

Are you really saying that whenever an ex player of Hall of Fame pedigree shows up at the door of your franchise you have to find a place for him?

Ripken. . . is not a god or a baseball savior. . . and he does not crap gold. I am sure that Angelos knows a PR nightmare when he sees one. . . he has created enough of them. However you have put him in a catch 22. If he says no he is disrespecting Ripken, if he says yes and Ripken has no effect on the team he has undercut his coaches and GM.

Look, I love the Orioles, but I don't want either Robinson, Eddie, or any other of our hall of famers nosing around the team offering their two cents. Great playing careers do not automatically translate into great communication skills or great coaching careers. IF Ripken turns into the Baseball version of Michael Jordan how would you feel about him?

Have you considered that the sources-- unnamed are certainly not Angelos must have been the other party of the conversation. The article may have been self serving for Rosenthal, and I am unaware of why he has any personal bad feelings for the O's and would need to write this, but it does manage to play into Baltimore's emotional wheelhouse on every level.
Anti- management- pro home town hero, disrespect of a local icon.

[NewMarketSean]

You also know what is perhaps the scariest part of all this? That Angelos still cares about who gets credit for the Orioles getting good again.

Really? Of all the things going on with the Orioles right now, he cares about that?

At this point I don't care if Osama Bin Laden somehow makes the Orioles good again. I just want to see it happen in my lifetime. And since Angelos is the owner, and winning = money for him, especially with Cal involved, it shocks me he does not see it this way either.

[SouthRider]

So Angelos has already alienated Brooks Robinson and now he in the process of doing the same to Ripken. How nice!

On another note, I need to buy my 9 month twin boys MLB gear to go along with their Ravens outfits. Perhaps I can save them a life of pain and anguish by buying them Nats gear instead? Seriously, I could see Cal taking a job with the Nats just to tick off Angelos.

[ChaosLex]

When will RShack chime in? ;)

[The Rick]

The ridiculous thing is that if Cal helped turn the team around and we "returned to prominence", Angelos would get credit. He would get credit for learning from his mistakes and giving MacPhail full autonomy over baseball decisions, he would get credit for evolving. Now he rears his ugly head once again, this is only a lose lose. For a genius when it comes to a business man, could he be any more stupid?

[SaltDoggyDog]

Are you really saying that whenever an ex player of Hall of Fame pedigree shows up at the door of your franchise you have to find a place for him?

Ripken. . . is not a god or a baseball savior. . . and he does not crap gold. I am sure that Angelos knows a PR nightmare when he sees one. . . he has created enough of them. However you have put him in a catch 22. If he says no he is disrespecting Ripken, if he says yes and Ripken has no effect on the team he has undercut his coaches and GM.

Look, I love the Orioles, but I don't want either Robinson, Eddie, or any other of our hall of famers nosing around the team offering their two cents. Great playing careers do not automatically translate into great communication skills or great coaching careers. IF Ripken turns into the Baseball version of Michael Jordan how would you feel about him?

Have you considered that the sources-- unnamed are certainly not Angelos must have been the other party of the conversation. The article may have been self serving for Rosenthal, and I am unaware of why he has any personal bad feelings for the O's and would need to write this, but it does manage to play into Baltimore's emotional wheelhouse on every level.
Anti- management- pro home town hero, disrespect of a local icon.


Who says Ripken has to go into a role that involves being judged on performance? He can be a mentor to the players without being judged on what he has or has not done. Or what the players have accomplished or not accomplished because of his mentoring. The simple fact is, that if PG was able to find a place for Flanagan after he was not very succesful as a front office Executive, PG could have found a place for Ripken. He accomplishes so much just by having Ripken around. Ripken said he knows the Orioles Way! He is a knowledgeable baseball man and can instill that in the younger players. He is from Baltimore and the FANS know him and his name and what he means to O's baseball. PG's decision=Miserable Fail!

[SaltDoggyDog]

You also know what is perhaps the scariest part of all this? That Angelos still cares about who gets credit for the Orioles getting good again.

Really? Of all the things going on with the Orioles right now, he cares about that?

At this point I don't care if Osama Bin Laden somehow makes the Orioles good again. I just want to see it happen in my lifetime. And since Angelos is the owner, and winning = money for him, especially with Cal involved, it shocks me he does not see it this way either.

I think that problem with PG is that he realizes what he has done to the Orioles since '97 and he doesn't want to be remembered as "that guy that buried the O's franchise." He wants to take credit for returning the team to prominence even though it may never happen under his tutelage. What also creates another problem is that he still wants to make money while trying to do this. It makes sense to him, but not to us!

[RHall31]

I was irate when I first read this article, but I've been talked off the ledge. I'll echo the sentiments of one of my media buddies and say:

Think about this very carefully, and then react to it. First of all, there is a lot to this story that we don't know quite yet, i.e. what MacPhail and Ripken agreed to. MacPhail has a staff of coaches under contract, a manager under contract, and an organization in place. Think about how bringing Cal in to "work with Wieters" may step on the toes of the coaching staff.

Try to forget for a second that the Orioles are 1-10 here, fellas.

You can't bring Cal Ripken into this organization as a part time "helper." If you're bringing him in, you've gotta do it in a grand fashion. The more I think about this, the more it sounds like Rosenthal letting his old affiliations cloud what is probably just bad timing.

Again, we don't know the details about what MacPhail and Cal had agreed to. That's the big wild card, here.

Thanks Hank! I think I'll climb down off my roof now....:D

[Mike B]

You know the sad part about all this aside from the obvious is we do not know if this is true, we do not know if the reason PGA said no, if he did, is because he wants credit, we do not even know what Cal actually wanted to do. What I know is PGA has been such a disaster with the O's that no one, including me, gives him the benefit of the doubt. Let's be honest even if he came out and flat out denied it, many would not believe him. Heck, even if Cal came out and denied the story many would think Cal was trying to take the high road. What a mess we are right now. I have always been one that has tried to take each game and enjoy it. That is hard to do right now.

[notfast]

Cal couldn't turn this team around alone. But let him try. Let anyone who wants to try, try.

[ChaosLex]

http://cdn.screenjunkies.com/www/sites/default/files/simpsons_comic_book_guy.jpg

Worst. Owner. Ever.

[Mark Carver]

Are you really saying that whenever an ex player of Hall of Fame pedigree shows up at the door of your franchise you have to find a place for him?

Ripken. . . is not a god or a baseball savior. . . and he does not crap gold. I am sure that Angelos knows a PR nightmare when he sees one. . . he has created enough of them. However you have put him in a catch 22. If he says no he is disrespecting Ripken, if he says yes and Ripken has no effect on the team he has undercut his coaches and GM.

Look, I love the Orioles, but I don't want either Robinson, Eddie, or any other of our hall of famers nosing around the team offering their two cents. Great playing careers do not automatically translate into great communication skills or great coaching careers. IF Ripken turns into the Baseball version of Michael Jordan how would you feel about him?

Have you considered that the sources-- unnamed are certainly not Angelos must have been the other party of the conversation. The article may have been self serving for Rosenthal, and I am unaware of why he has any personal bad feelings for the O's and would need to write this, but it does manage to play into Baltimore's emotional wheelhouse on every level.
Anti- management- pro home town hero, disrespect of a local icon.

Cal Ripken owns 3 minor league successful baseball teams. He's also part of RipkenBaseball.com that is involved in amateur baseball, such as running baseball camps, youth tournaments and the Cal Ripken World Series. He has in the past gone to China as an Ambassador for the US in promoting amateur baseball and help them establish amateur baseball leagues.

If Ripken went to the Orioles and wanted to help in some fashion, you MAKE room. You do not turn him down...

[Stotle]

Why not? Baseball contracts are guaranteed. They would get paid without playing and force Angelos' hand. If I'm a young player and I could have been under the tutelage of Cal Ripken and the owner says no because he doesn't want him to "receive the glory" I stop playing for that owner. Demand a trade, or just flat out refuse.

This is just wrong...

(again I preface this by saying if true)

I don't think a contract is guaranteed in cases of refusal to perform.

[RevOlution]

This poll taken by players, was done in 07.

Where do you think PA would rank now, if this story turns out to be 100% factual? I know what I would rank him.

Interesting that Sternberg ranks above Angelos. Of course, that was before their WS.


Who is the worst owner in baseball?

David Glass, Royals.....21%
Jeffrey Loria, Marlins.....19%
Stuart Sternberg, Devil Rays.....18%
Peter Angelos, Orioles.....9%
Robert Nutting, Pirates.....7%
George Steinbrenner, Yankees.....6%
Carl Pohlad, Twins.....3%
Theodore N. Lerner, Nationals.....3%
Ken Kendrick, Dbacks.....1%

FAST FACTS: Players could not vote for the owner of the team they play on.... The Yankees have baseball's highest payroll at $190 million; the Royals have the ninth-lowest at $67 million.... Steinbrenner was sixth on the "worst" list (6%).... The winning percentage of the top four vote-getters' teams this year is .546; the bottom four's teams are at .436.
Photographs by Chris O'Meara/AP; Douglas Jones/Icon SMI




http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/18/poll0723/index.html

[OrioleMagic]

Are you really saying that whenever an ex player of Hall of Fame pedigree shows up at the door of your franchise you have to find a place for him?

Ripken. . . is not a god or a baseball savior. . . and he does not crap gold. I am sure that Angelos knows a PR nightmare when he sees one. . . he has created enough of them. However you have put him in a catch 22. If he says no he is disrespecting Ripken, if he says yes and Ripken has no effect on the team he has undercut his coaches and GM.

Look, I love the Orioles, but I don't want either Robinson, Eddie, or any other of our hall of famers nosing around the team offering their two cents. Great playing careers do not automatically translate into great communication skills or great coaching careers. IF Ripken turns into the Baseball version of Michael Jordan how would you feel about him?

Have you considered that the sources-- unnamed are certainly not Angelos must have been the other party of the conversation. The article may have been self serving for Rosenthal, and I am unaware of why he has any personal bad feelings for the O's and would need to write this, but it does manage to play into Baltimore's emotional wheelhouse on every level.
Anti- management- pro home town hero, disrespect of a local icon.

How do you explain Mike Scoscia? or Pete Rose? or others? He COULD be a failure like Michael Jordan, he could be a success.

[Stotle]

Are you really saying that whenever an ex player of Hall of Fame pedigree shows up at the door of your franchise you have to find a place for him?

Ripken. . . is not a god or a baseball savior. . . and he does not crap gold. I am sure that Angelos knows a PR nightmare when he sees one. . . he has created enough of them. However you have put him in a catch 22. If he says no he is disrespecting Ripken, if he says yes and Ripken has no effect on the team he has undercut his coaches and GM.

Look, I love the Orioles, but I don't want either Robinson, Eddie, or any other of our hall of famers nosing around the team offering their two cents. Great playing careers do not automatically translate into great communication skills or great coaching careers. IF Ripken turns into the Baseball version of Michael Jordan how would you feel about him?

Have you considered that the sources-- unnamed are certainly not Angelos must have been the other party of the conversation. The article may have been self serving for Rosenthal, and I am unaware of why he has any personal bad feelings for the O's and would need to write this, but it does manage to play into Baltimore's emotional wheelhouse on every level.
Anti- management- pro home town hero, disrespect of a local icon.

I agree. I mean, look at all of the problems the Yankees have every year when the likes of Yogi Berra, Billy Connors, Goose Gossage, Ron Guidry, Reggie Jackson, Hector Lopez and Tino Martinez show up at spring training to work with the players. The defending World Champs were probably rolling their eyes and thinking, "Why would I listen to Reggie Jackson? I mean, just because he was a good player doesn't mean I can learn anything from his on-the-side instructions. I don't even want to talk generalities about the game with him. Why won't these old guys just go away and let me figure it out on my own!"

[baltfan]

Let's work on the reading comp. I'm pretty sure the excerpt you bolded is future tense and the effect of having Ripken help would be in the future. I don't think I claim anywhere Ripken would make any difference this year. If you think adding well-regarded former players to the instructional staff wouldn't have any positive effects -- well you are entitled to any incorrect opinion you'd like. :)

Actually the part I bolded talked about the players listening to Ripken. The implication is that they are not listening to the coaches now. If your implication was what you claim it to be, that the players would learn from Ripken in the future, then that is what he would have said. The line before the line I bolded was, "Players tune out coaches to some extent." Followed by, "No one is going to ignore the historical face of the franchise if he sits down and talks shop with you."

There is no evidence that any of this is happening at this point in time. There has been no rumors of players having their own agendas or not taking instruction. Moreover, on the pitching side Palmer has stated that he gives advice to these guys all of the time. Hasn't seemed to have done much good.

My point in all of this is not to say that Ripken wouldn't be a welcome addition, but I don't know how anyone could say that he would really make that much of a difference. Last I looked, toward the end of his career he was a legend whom you would think young guys would benefit from being around but those teams still were lousy.

I only take umbrage at your shot at me re: reading comprehension. You are a much better poster than that and can do better than to seek to minimize my post by accusing me of simply not reading carefully.

[Birds08]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5104464


Cal Ripken Jr. has not offered himself to the Baltimore Orioles as a prospective employee, said team owner Peter Angelos, who said if Ripken wants to be part of the organization, he'd be happy to sit down and talk with the Hall of Famer about a job.

Angelos was responding to a FoxSports.com story that he turned down the opportunity to hire Ripken

[UMDTerrapins]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5104464

I consider those PA quotes as confirmation of validity. Choosing your denials carefully, huh Mr. Angelos?

[baltfan]

I consider those PA quotes as confirmation of validity. Choosing your denials carefully, huh Mr. Angelos?

Seemed to me that Angelos was pretty clear on everything. Don't know how he could have denied it any better. I do wonder why he hasn't picked up the phone to talk to Cal vs. inviting him to talk through this article.

[Sports Guy]

I was irate when I first read this article, but I've been talked off the ledge. I'll echo the sentiments of one of my media buddies and say:

Think about this very carefully, and then react to it. First of all, there is a lot to this story that we don't know quite yet, i.e. what MacPhail and Ripken agreed to. MacPhail has a staff of coaches under contract, a manager under contract, and an organization in place. Think about how bringing Cal in to "work with Wieters" may step on the toes of the coaching staff.

Try to forget for a second that the Orioles are 1-10 here, fellas.

You can't bring Cal Ripken into this organization as a part time "helper." If you're bringing him in, you've gotta do it in a grand fashion. The more I think about this, the more it sounds like Rosenthal letting his old affiliations cloud what is probably just bad timing.

Again, we don't know the details about what MacPhail and Cal had agreed to. That's the big wild card, here.

I don't really buy much of this but let's say I did...End of the day, AM wanted this and he is supposedly in charge and has full control...So, no matter how you look at it, this blows.

[RustyMcNail]

[QUOTE=JTrea81;2100027

The destruction of the franchise under Angelos is finally complete...[/QUOTE]

If overstatement were an art you would be the Picasso of Pessimism.

[srock]

I just found this news this morning. As perturbing as it is, I can't bring myself to any conclusion until I hear something from Cal Ripken himself. I just can't. Rosenthal doesn't carry enough weight.

Not even 2 weeks into the season, so my keg of orange beer is not yet running dry. Therefore, I am rationalizing the possible scenarios in which Angelo's, MacPhail, and Ripken have made the correct decision yet it has been misconstrued by Rosenthal.

Plausible scenario #1: They did discuss Ripken returning but decided the timing isn't right. Instead, Ripken will start in a player development capacity after this season is over.

#2: MacPhail and Ripken discussed possibilites but when Cal talked to Angelo's they decided this wasn't the right role for Cal. Because Cal will be buying the team soon!

#3: All parties decided the media storm surrounding Ripken entering the organization during a 1-10 start to the season would be nothing but a distraction. Hence Rosenthal's remark about not putting Ripken in a position to fail.

[TakebackOPACY]

I don't really buy much of this but let's say I did...End of the day, AM wanted this and he is supposedly in charge and has full control...So, no matter how you look at it, this blows.

Or MacPhail didn't want Cal to do specifically whatever Cal was offering to do. And Angelos, who considers Cal a friend, offered to tell Cal no thanks on this one; maybe next time.

The vibe I'm getting is that Rosenthal has taken something minor and twisted it into something major. Personally, I don't think it's because he has something against the O's. I just think it's because that gets hits at foxsports.com.

End of the day, we really don't know. And I'm not going to bother getting upset if I don't know what I'm upset about.

[frankpembleton]

Just curious - why is there so much suspicion of Rosenthal? What does everyone think he has to gain by making this story up? Everything I have ever heard from the guy is that he loves the Orioles and Baltimore (particularly the fans). Is there evidence of him making stories up in the past? I honestly have no idea.

On the other hand, Peter Angelos has proven time and time again to be a less than honest individual....

Not saying the story is true, I just don't understand some on this thread that are quicker to side with Angelos over Rosenthal.