View Full Version : Wizards get #1 pick
adamwolff11
05-18-2010, 08:30 PM
!!!
Exciting day!
DT undercover
05-18-2010, 08:31 PM
I can't believe it :clap3:
Hopefully this time we don't end up with Kwame Brown 2.0
Hooded Viper
05-18-2010, 08:32 PM
!!!
Exciting day!
They will take Wall and try and trade Arenas!!
isestrex
05-18-2010, 08:35 PM
I think Arenas is here to stay...
wow I can't even process this.. or who they'll take.
Imagine $50million in cap room and the #1 pick. This offseason is going to hugely define the Wizards next 5-8 years.
adamwolff11
05-18-2010, 08:40 PM
It is huge for the franchise. Absolutely huge.
After these past 2 seasons, this is the happiest I've been about the team by far.
Big Mac
05-18-2010, 08:40 PM
They better take John Wall...
backwardsk
05-18-2010, 08:47 PM
Can they re-select Kwame Brown?
ChaosLex
05-18-2010, 08:53 PM
Can't believe I'm asking this, but is there any chance they make a run at LeBron now?
commish
05-18-2010, 08:57 PM
Can't believe I'm asking this, but is there any chance they make a run at LeBron now?
I'd say tonight took us from 200 to 1 odds to 15 to 1. Wall brings Calipari, Calipari brings Lebron??
adamwolff11
05-18-2010, 09:00 PM
Can't believe I'm asking this, but is there any chance they make a run at LeBron now?
Miss Cleo did pick him to go to Washington.....
;)
PaulBako
05-18-2010, 09:06 PM
I JUST **** MY PANTS
the wizards are saveeeeed... purrrre ecstacy
Sports Guy
05-18-2010, 09:23 PM
Good for the Wizards...But SHOULD they take Wall?
They have a lot of guards...But are any of them PGs?
I really like Favors a lot.
It may be good that NJ didn't get the #1 pick...They could use a Favors or Cousins more than Wall IMO.
backwardsk
05-18-2010, 09:26 PM
I really don't follow the NBA in depth too much, but didn't Livingston play pretty well late in the season. Could he be a guy they could depend on going forward? And has the #1 overall ever been traded in recent history. I remember Francis getting traded from Vancouver to Houston on draft night, but I think he was #2.
adamwolff11
05-18-2010, 09:35 PM
I really don't follow the NBA in depth too much, but didn't Livingston play pretty well late in the season. Could he be a guy they could depend on going forward? And has the #1 overall ever been traded in recent history. I remember Francis getting traded from Vancouver to Houston on draft night, but I think he was #2.
Livingston did play well, but he's a backup PG at best IMO.
This is a chance for the Wizards to add someone who can instantly be the face of the franchise, something that is very needed after we traded away 2 of the big 3, and obviously Gilbert's troubles.
Wall is exactly what the Wizards need right now.
AgentOrange
05-18-2010, 09:40 PM
Why would anyone talk about doing anything else but drafting Wall?
commish
05-18-2010, 09:42 PM
Yeah this is a 100% no-brainer. Favors? LOL
isestrex
05-18-2010, 09:47 PM
I'd say tonight took us from 200 to 1 odds to 15 to 1. Wall brings Calipari, Calipari brings Lebron??
Excellent excellent point.
The Wizards have the option of offering Lebron a team with John Wall, David Lee, and Gilbert Arenas. All of a sudden the Wizards are looking a lot more interesting for a hungry MVP looking for a ring. Gilbert will take the back seat... he hates to lead a team. He'll simply take the big shots and let Lebron do his thing.
I can't believe I'm talking myself into this...
Maybe Ms. Cleo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQOV3KHjAM) really knows something
John Wall.
If only they could get rid of Arenas.
Sports Guy
05-18-2010, 09:56 PM
Yeah this is a 100% no-brainer. Favors? LOL
You can laugh all you want but Favors is a beast and the Wizards lack down low.
Now, do you believe Wall is that great?
People have said that no one in this draft is a franchise changing player.
Now, admittingly i don't follow the Wizards and if they need a PG, I would go with Wall because PGs are extremely important in today's game.
But if they don't need one, i wouldn't draft Wall just because.
Favors could be Al Horford but with better offensive numbers.
OK this is who the Wizards have on their roster for next year, literally only 6 guaranteed guys from what I found
Arenas
Blatche
Thornton
Young
McGee
Ross
Can add Wall to that.
And they'll still have room for a max contract easy. Max is $17m and they have $29m on the payroll and cap is $56m (rough numbers, hopefully I have that right).
VERY VERY good shape going forward. And very good to dump Butler and Jamison. The franchise might not be winning next year but this is fantastic. Move Arenas to SG and PG in certain situations. I would resign Livingston to backup PG but right now he does not belong to the Wizards.
Sports Guy
05-18-2010, 10:11 PM
You guys can give up the hope of LeBron...MAYBE, you can get Joe Johnson.
backwardsk
05-18-2010, 10:13 PM
Does the lottery affect the second round too? Do they have back to back picks at the end of round 1 and the beginning of round 2?
commish
05-18-2010, 10:16 PM
You can laugh all you want but Favors is a beast and the Wizards lack down low.
Now, do you believe Wall is that great?
People have said that no one in this draft is a franchise changing player.
Now, admittingly i don't follow the Wizards and if they need a PG, I would go with Wall because PGs are extremely important in today's game.
But if they don't need one, i wouldn't draft Wall just because.
Favors could be Al Horford but with better offensive numbers.
Who has said there are no franchise players? A lot of analysts agree that Wall has a higher ceiling than Rose or Evans, and it's just about unanimous that he should be a top PG. Turner's a potential franchise player too.
Favors certainly has the tools, but he's extremely raw. At GT, he really didn't show much of an offensive game at all. Even if the Wiz had drawn the 3rd pick, I'd be real nervous about taking him over Cousins or even Johnson.
The rebuilding can start off nicely with Wall and 30 mil in cap room.
I might actually start watching the Wizards if they get young and good. It has to be John Wall. Things are looking good for them.
You guys can give up the hope of LeBron...MAYBE, you can get Joe Johnson.I'm not thinking LeBron.
But Carmelo is under contract next year, and the year after that he has a player option. So in one or two years, if John Wall is the monster stud I expect him to be (I think he has more potential than any NBA player except LeBron), and Blatche plays well and McGee develops, we could be looking at:
PG Wall
SG Arenas
SF ??
PF Blatche
C McGee
:scratchchinhmm:
And enough money to get help at PF/C too. Or don't get Carmelo, whatever, but going forward the team has a TON of flexibility and a total stud in Wall. Fantastic situation.
Greg Pappas
05-18-2010, 10:28 PM
It's a great shot in the arm for the Wizards franchise. John Wall WILL be the pick. :)
clapdiddy
05-18-2010, 10:29 PM
Wall is a very good player, but he's not the game-changer that the Wiz need.
It figures that the two times the Wiz get the number one pick, there's no Durant or LeBron to pick.
ChaosLex
05-18-2010, 10:30 PM
You guys can give up the hope of LeBron...MAYBE, you can get Joe Johnson.
Eh, I don't know. Admittedly, I'm not a big NBA fan, but Wiz fans couldn't ask for a better owner than Leonsis.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a splash this offseason.
Wall is a very good player, but he's not the game-changer that the Wiz need.
It figures that the two times the Wiz get the number one pick, there's no Durant or LeBron to pick.Wall is supposed to be the best point guard since... God knows when! He really is hyped as a once in a generation prospect and from the Kentucky games I watched I believe the hype. Excellent court vision, very good size, strong, and fast as all hell.
commish
05-18-2010, 10:37 PM
Wall is a very good player, but he's not the game-changer that the Wiz need.
It figures that the two times the Wiz get the number one pick, there's no Durant or LeBron to pick.
I don't understand where people are getting this.
Wall is an elite talent, game-changer, prospect, whatever you want to call it. He'll be one of the fastest PG in the league right away, and he's 6'4'' with amazing athleticism. He makes the routine plays and the outstanding ones. And he already has a solid jumper, whereas Rose, Evans, or Rondo at this point had no jumper.
clapdiddy
05-18-2010, 10:46 PM
I don't understand where people are getting this.
Wall is an elite talent, game-changer, prospect, whatever you want to call it. He'll be one of the fastest PG in the league right away, and he's 6'4'' with amazing athleticism. He makes the routine plays and the outstanding ones. And he already has a solid jumper, whereas Rose, Evans, or Rondo at this point had no jumper.
I hope you are right. The Wizards can certainly use all the help they can get.
Wall's compared to a cross of Derrick Rose and Jason Kidd. He has uncanny court vision, is freakishly athletic, has superb size for the position, penetrates well to the hoop, is ridiculously fast up and down the court, rebounds, and has a pretty solid mid-range jumper. Really, what he lacks right now is a consistent 3-point shot, better decision making, and more emphasis on defense. And that's probably nitpicking.
I'd put a pretty good amount of money on Wall putting up a better rookie year than Derrick Rose. I think he has the highest ceiling of any point guard that's come out since Chris Paul, and I honestly think he can be better than Paul.
allstar1579
05-19-2010, 01:29 AM
Think this is finally what moves Gil to SG where he should have been for years?
Dr. FLK
05-19-2010, 08:05 AM
Wall is a very good player, but he's not the game-changer that the Wiz need.
It figures that the two times the Wiz get the number one pick, there's no Durant or LeBron to pick.
I think Rajon Rondo's success is going to up Wall's stock even more. Wall got off to a monster start last season, but he didn't impress me all that much down the stretch. I'd bet on him being the top pick, but I wouldn't be upset if they went with Favors.
Think this is finally what moves Gil to SG where he should have been for years?This and the wear and tear he's got on his knees really make it make sense.
McLovin
05-19-2010, 09:53 AM
This is a tough one. I think they have to pick Wall. But Arenas has never played well without the ball. And he's small defender when matched up with bigger guards. It might be a sexy team on paper, but I'm not sure Arena and Wall is a winning combination. Arenas has zero trade value either.
allstar1579
05-19-2010, 11:49 AM
This is a tough one. I think they have to pick Wall. But Arenas has never played well without the ball. And he's small defender when matched up with bigger guards. It might be a sexy team on paper, but I'm not sure Arena and Wall is a winning combination. Arenas has zero trade value either.
This is the dilemma. I mean they could play a 2-point guard set, because both of them are offensive point guards, so we'd have no true 2-guard, but then the problem is who do you match with who on defense? I think he just needs to LEARN to play off the ball, he's a pretty good 3-point shooter, and really is a classic offensive 2-guard, he just has to let go of his control issues.
berto
05-19-2010, 12:41 PM
I can't believe the Wizard actually caught a lucky break for once. I know Nets fans must be better to drop down to the third pick. I know the Wizards biggest need for many years is the big man, but John Wall is just a prospect you can't turn up on and there is no big man worth taking a shot at with the #1 pick. Hopefully we don't botch this and hopefully a FA like Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, or David Lee will want to come here and play after picking up Wall.
Old#5fan
05-19-2010, 01:55 PM
Why would anyone talk about doing anything else but drafting Wall?
Don't the Wizards perpetually lack a big man? That always seems to be what they never have. They have Arenas so why not draft that big man from Ohio State? That guy has NBA stud written all over him. (Evan Turner).:confused:
Don't the Wizards perpetually lack a big man? That always seems to be what they never have. They have Arenas so why not draft that big man from Ohio State? That guy has NBA stud written all over him. (Evan Turner).:confused:
Turner is a swingman. He's also be the only other guy that would make sense at #1. There's too much of a dropoff from Wall/Turner to Favors/Cousins to consider either of them at #1. But really, if they want anyone other than Wall, they should be able to trade down to 2-4 and get something extra while still getting who they think makes the most sense. I do think Wall plus Arenas in the backcourt is an odd combo that is not likely to go that well, so perhaps Turner should be considered.
commish
05-19-2010, 04:12 PM
It's really not about what they have on the team right now. It's rebuilding time, and you're definitely not going to rebuild around Arenas, or anyone else on the roster (Blatche might turn out to be legit, but he seems like a head case, and optimistically he's probably the 4th best player on a contender). John Wall--the best possible rebuilding piece--just fell into the Wizards' lap; it would be insane to take anyone else. That lottery last night really might have been the difference between the Wiz wallowing in irrelevance for the next 5 years and actually rebuilding into a contender.
My point is that it doesn't make any difference how Wall fits in with the current team. The current roster is horrendous, and it'll change drastically in the next couple years. Wall is now the face of the franchise. You don't pass on him because he won't work well with Gil, you make sure Gil gets with the program.
Sports Guy
05-19-2010, 04:18 PM
Don't forget that Wall has had a lot of legal trouble.
Now, you are going to put a ton of money in his hands, along with a lot of fame and then, on top of that, sticking him in DC.
Could be a problem.
Maybe they're not going to rebuild around Arenas, but they will rebuild with Arenas because he's under contract until 2013-2014 and no one is going to take him off their hands. I agree you take Wall no matter what, though, it's just you'll have Arenas hanging around there too. I think that will be fine, Wall can share the ball early on and Arenas can keep some of the pressure off him in his rookie and sophomore years. Then, Wall can gradually take the team over more and more while Arenas fades into more of a low usage jump shooter in his later years.
PaulBako
05-19-2010, 04:36 PM
of course you pick wall in this situation... he is going to be a star. easily the best player in the drat, just stick arenas at the 2. Favors is good but not a game changer, same with turner.
Pedro Cerrano
05-19-2010, 04:39 PM
Just renewed my ticket plan.
AgentOrange
05-19-2010, 04:54 PM
Don't forget that Wall has had a lot of legal trouble.
Now, you are going to put a ton of money in his hands, along with a lot of fame and then, on top of that, sticking him in DC.
Could be a problem.
If they don't draft Wall, it will be a joke.
Trojanman
05-19-2010, 06:13 PM
If they don't draft Wall, it will be a joke.
It will be the end of the Wizards franchise IMO. You cannot pass on a talent like Wall.
Frobby
05-19-2010, 06:28 PM
I don't understand where people are getting this.
Wall is an elite talent, game-changer, prospect, whatever you want to call it. He'll be one of the fastest PG in the league right away, and he's 6'4'' with amazing athleticism. He makes the routine plays and the outstanding ones. And he already has a solid jumper, whereas Rose, Evans, or Rondo at this point had no jumper.
You never know who will be the game-changer. I've seen some amazing college players be pretty mediocre in the NBA, and I've seen mid-level draft picks who were great NBA players.
That said, I'd go with Wall. The guy came on as a freshman and led his team from day one. He should be at least as good as, say, Chris Paul, though it may take 1-2 years.
commish
05-19-2010, 06:56 PM
You never know who will be the game-changer. I've seen some amazing college players be pretty mediocre in the NBA, and I've seen mid-level draft picks who were great NBA players.
That said, I'd go with Wall. The guy came on as a freshman and led his team from day one. He should be at least as good as, say, Chris Paul, though it may take 1-2 years.
I think Wall's about as can't-miss as a PG-prospect can be. And I sure hope you're right, because CP3 might go down as one of the greatest PGs ever.
Wilbon wrote a good column about what Wall means to the Wiz, after first thinking he's just another good player...
http://views.washingtonpost.com/world-wide-wilbon/wilbon/2010/05/john_wall_wizards_savior.html
You never know who will be the game-changer. I've seen some amazing college players be pretty mediocre in the NBA, and I've seen mid-level draft picks who were great NBA players.
That said, I'd go with Wall. The guy came on as a freshman and led his team from day one. He should be at least as good as, say, Chris Paul, though it may take 1-2 years.
You're either greatly underrating Paul or overrating Wall or a combination of both. Paul had an injury riddled year, but he was a historically great PG the two prior years.
AgentOrange
05-20-2010, 09:31 AM
Don't forget that Wall has had a lot of legal trouble.
Now, you are going to put a ton of money in his hands, along with a lot of fame and then, on top of that, sticking him in DC.
Could be a problem.
http://views.washingtonpost.com/world-wide-wilbon/wilbon/2010/05/john_wall_wizards_savior.html
Magic Johnson had one more thing to report about Wall before we turned our attention on the ESPN set to the Orlando-Boston Game 2: "I talked to guys who told me that Wall has been in Los Angeles for the last two weeks practicing six hours a day. All the indications are he's a gym rat. You want a guy with that skill level who wants to be in the gym. You've got to take that cat."
Orioles18
05-20-2010, 09:36 AM
Eh, I don't know. Admittedly, I'm not a big NBA fan, but Wiz fans couldn't ask for a better owner than Leonsis.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a splash this offseason.
Everyone's buddy Bruce Cunningham said the that Wiz get another chance to screw up a #1 pick. That kinda made me angry because while I dont really care about the Wiz (or the NBA for that matter) it's kind of a shot at Leonsis. Who is a great owner and has a good track records of #1 picks (AO for the BIG example).
Ruzious
05-21-2010, 01:21 PM
Don't forget that Wall has had a lot of legal trouble.
Now, you are going to put a ton of money in his hands, along with a lot of fame and then, on top of that, sticking him in DC.
Could be a problem.
What legal problems has he ever had other than a charge of breaking and entering?
pollaxt
05-21-2010, 02:22 PM
Wall is a very good player, but he's not the game-changer that the Wiz need.
It figures that the two times the Wiz get the number one pick, there's no Durant or LeBron to pick.
Durant was drafted #2 overall.
Durant was drafted #2 overall.
Right, but he would have been the #1 nine years out of ten. And would have been #1 that year for probably half the teams in the league or more.
isestrex
05-21-2010, 03:50 PM
Right, but he would have been the #1 nine years out of ten. And would have been #1 that year for probably half the teams in the league or more.
Not that I want to steer this into a "Oden or Durant" argument... but no, he wouldn't have been.
Oden was seen as the clear cut #1 that year by well over half the analysts and experts. While many admitted that Durant was going to be very very good, just about everyone said "you can't pass up the big man".
Never did anyone say, "normally Durant would be the top pick but because it's Portland, they have to take Oden".
Never did anyone say, "I don't get what all the hype about Oden is, Durant is the CLEAR #1" (like Dickey V said about Okafor over Dwight Howard).
Never did anyone say, "It looks like Portland is going to take Oden, but they'll regret it later. Durant is clearly the better player."
Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and many of those analysts are eating their words right now, but you can't say that 9 times out of 10, Durant would have been #1 anymore than you can blame Houston for taking Jordan over Olajuwan. Everyone agreed back then and everyone agreed in 07... the Big Man is always the right choice on draft day.
Don't forget that Wall has had a lot of legal trouble.
Now, you are going to put a ton of money in his hands, along with a lot of fame and then, on top of that, sticking him in DC.
Could be a problem.
What? You mean one little citation for breaking and entering?
Everyone's buddy Bruce Cunningham said the that Wiz get another chance to screw up a #1 pick. That kinda made me angry because while I dont really care about the Wiz (or the NBA for that matter) it's kind of a shot at Leonsis. Who is a great owner and has a good track records of #1 picks (AO for the BIG example).
I wouldn't say they screwed up in drafting Kwame. He was the consensus best player in the draft. Every other team would have done the same thing.
fansince71
05-22-2010, 11:55 PM
http://www.thegrio.com/sports/will-the-washington-wizards-axe-arenas.php
Good read here. Makes sense if true, i wouldn't want that knucklehead crapping in Wall's shoe either. Get rid of GA and it will be a complete rebuild.
Maybe the Knicks or Magic will give us something for him.
commish
05-23-2010, 07:33 PM
http://www.thegrio.com/sports/will-the-washington-wizards-axe-arenas.php
Good read here. Makes sense if true, i wouldn't want that knucklehead crapping in Wall's shoe either. Get rid of GA and it will be a complete rebuild.
Maybe the Knicks or Magic will give us something for him.
I just don't see it. Buying out $80 million just to keep him away from Wall? There's no way any other team takes on that contract.
adamwolff11
05-23-2010, 07:45 PM
I just don't see it. Buying out $80 million just to keep him away from Wall? There's no way any other team takes on that contract.
We would probably have to pay a portion of the contract. If we did that, it would be the equivalent of a cheaper buy out for us, and a more reasonable pricetag on Arenas for whichever team made the move.
That would be the only way I see it going down. Someone might give him a shot. He was having a pretty nice season before all this, and there are definitely guys in this league with more baggage than him. He just needs a change of scenery, and the team needs a fresh start.
commish
05-24-2010, 12:24 AM
We would probably have to pay a portion of the contract. If we did that, it would be the equivalent of a cheaper buy out for us, and a more reasonable pricetag on Arenas for whichever team made the move.
That would be the only way I see it going down. Someone might give him a shot. He was having a pretty nice season before all this, and there are definitely guys in this league with more baggage than him. He just needs a change of scenery, and the team needs a fresh start.
Is there a precedent for that in the NBA?