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  1. 15 points
    I do not post many threads and after this I may not post any more. I am a life long fan. I bleed orange and black like so many others here. I think DD gets more grief than deserved here, but there is something that hit me yesterday amid everyone's frustration. We don't have a plan. In all of the years of following the O's. From the years where they were one of the best run franchises in all of sports, to the dark days where many considered the O's to be a laughingstock. I have been there and I have supported and I have hung on for the ride. But where we are right now simply does not make any sense to me and I don't understand why it is not a bigger deal here or in the national media. There is no plan. Unless the plan is for the world as we know it to end somewhere between now and the end of the 2018 season. I want to be fair. The Orioles have been subjected to some seriously bad, maybe historically bad luck. The Orioles should have traded Manny or Britton earlier. Sure, today that is obvious and many here advocated the same long ago. But the O's have been in the thick of it for all of DD's tenure and I don't really care if you think he inherited every bit of the success or literally manufactured every bit of it from a piece of wheat. They have been in it. Trading pieces, even this past year at the break was a risk and as late as the first week in September the O's were only a couple games out of the playoffs. Sure, if only they/we knew the bottom would fall out. Again, I don't care to really pick apart the seasons of not really adding pitching when the "window" was open or ripping the manager for not using the games best reliever in the heat of the moment. My question or observation is simply this. At the end of 2017 the Orioles finished last and there simply is no plan for what to do after that...and to be fair, the lack of a plan would have been the same if we had taken the Yankees spot and come within one game of going to the World Series. There may be no other organization in sports as bereft of a plan as the current Orioles are. I posted in the "What was communicated?" thread some observations that I repeat here: There were two ways to go after the ‘17 season. Rebuild totally (possibly partially) or go all in for pitching. Both directions had risk but potential rewards. Even Roch posted an article saying the same. There have been people here on both sides making their cases. No mater which side people were on, every person seems to understand that doing neither, staying in the middle, would be a disaster. I don't care where we place the blame. Really. You want to blame DD? Fine. Buck? Be my guest. Team leader AJ? Sure have at it. No organization in Sports has no plan. Some have bad plans. Some have good plans but poorly implement them. But responsibility for any organization falls first and foremost at the top. With Ownership. The Orioles in 2017 had one of the highest payrolls in baseball. Not top 5 to be fair, but the idea that the owner is cheap doesn't hold water. The Orioles spend money. But why? When? The fragmented structure of decision making is unquestionably one of the weakest in professional sports. Only the Orioles could go into an off season with the following set of facts: 1) GM on final year of contract 2) Manager on final year. 3) Best player on final year. 4) Best reliever on final year. 5) Team leader on final year. 6) Not willing to sign free agents. 7) Not willing to trade. 8) Three openings in rotation. Needing three starting pitchers, who would sign with the Orioles knowing the above? No one who wants anything more than a chance to reestablish themselves after a year. Who would want to join an organization where virtually EVERY important person is in the last year of his deal. Manny is clearly leaving when he can. That may not really be the fault of the organization as he may not want to be here. Britton literally said that his injury is not how he wanted to end his career here. But look around...WHY would anyone but us fans be here beyond 2018? The ONLY plan that I can take out of the above is that the owner believes that the MASN legal situation resolves itself and the team is sold to someone else during next year. I wouldn't consider it a good plan, but absent all available evidence, it would at least be a plan. But walking into this off season with the above 8 facts is not a plan. Sign your GM or fire him. Let him extend or replace the manager. Let whoever is in charge manage the roster to bring the best results to the BALTIMORE ORIOLES. I hate what the Marlins are doing, but at least it is a plan.
  2. 13 points
    Peter and I have a standing Wednesday night make-your-own nachos date, but we have an agreement to not discuss the Orioles. I can say that he prefers medium spicy.
  3. 13 points
    I hope all of you have a happy meaningful day with family, for those who celebrate. We all have our different ideas about so many things, but during this holiday season especially, I am reminded our how similar the family of man is. The bonds that hold us together are too strong to be broken. I appreciate each one of you and wish this best for you all now and in this coming new year. Thanks for being you.
  4. 10 points
    So I'm pretty new to scouting, I've been watching a ton of baseball for years including minor league baseball, but I'm pretty new to writing up scouting reports and prospect lists. The point is I'm learning and trying really hard to improve. @Tony-OH has given me plenty of pointers which have been very helpful and I consume baseball like it's my job. One of my core beliefs when it comes to scouting players is to trust my eyes, I don't get easily dissuaded by other people's opinions on players. If I like the player I like the player, maybe I'll take another look, but I stick to my guns. Now a key component to trusting yourself is to from time to time look back and see what you got wrong and why. Tony reminded me of that in a post this morning. So I'm going to look back on my top 3 mistakes in my Midseason Top 30 prospects list. These aren't going to be guys who jumped up due to legitimate changes the prospect made, but more guys that I missed something in my assessment of them. Here is the link to the list in question: http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29313-phillyos-mid-season-top-30-orioles-prospects/&tab=comments#comment-2156912 1. Randolph Gassaway (midseason rank #14) overrated - So this was my biggest mistake by far. I wrote this note about Gassaway "Has the body to hit for power but the swing isn’t geared for power currently, that holds him back from a higher ranking. There are things to like though, good contact skills stemming from a simple noise-free approach and a compact swing. He also has a good idea of the strike zone." So pretty much I ignored the fact that I saw a swing that wasn't going to be conducive to power production for some reason. I also didn't watch him in the field enough, his lackluster play in LF puts a ton of pressure on the bat and without a retooling of the swing the bat is not going to be good enough to profile in an OF corner even with solid defense. 2. Lucas Long (midseason rank #12) overrated - I still like Lucas Long and think he's a MLB player, but I was a bit overzealous in projecting a guy without a starter's repertoire to be able to start in the bigs due to one plus pitch and above average command in relief outings and the occasional spot start. The Orioles shifted him to a starting role, and while he was solid, the stuff and command declined under a heavier workload. The lesson here is to not assume stuff and a limited repertoire will hold up in longer outings and heavier workloads (This is an important point for the people who always want to try various relievers as starting pitchers). 3. Alex Wells (midseason rank #16) underrated - I hadn't seen Wells pitch more than short clips at the time of this list because I hadn't been to Delmarva and very few Delmarva games are on milb.tv. I made the mistake of taking national prospect analysts misgivings about Wells to heart too much. If I had of seen him more I'd have seen that his feel for pitching and excellent changeup allows for his lackluster velocity to play. HM: Ranking Mountcastle over Hays - I discounted the value of the total contributions of Hays to a team. His defense and speed advantages put much less pressure on Hays's bat. I still think Mountcastle is the better hitter of the two but I didn't put enough consideration into their overall profiles. HM: Cody Sedlock (midseason rank #8) - I think this isn't too bad, I saw the decreased stuff, but I failed to notice the change in delivery from college (which I should have, it was obvious once I went looking for it). HM: Leaving Santander off - Straight up omission on my part, I had him in mind, but just forgot about him because he wasn't playing. Just a few more notes, I did a few things right. I had Akin ahead of Sedlock which looks good now. I had Hanifee and Tobias Myers fairly high before really anyone else in the community were on them. I was on Stewart's stance change. I was on Lowther as soon as he was drafted. I saw Wilkerson as a utility option long before the blogs started touting him, although the love got overblown and exaggerated (my take was just that he might be better than an org guy.)
  5. 9 points
    I met Merv Rettenmund about 2002-2004 at John Rubinow's "Pro Ball Camp" at the Padres facility in Peoria, Arizona. It was basically whole bunch of us never-weres and has-beens playing in the MSBL trying to up our game with major league coaches. Merv asked why I was an O's fan, and I told him I was 9 years old in 1971 when I saw him play in Tokyo, Japan (My dad was in the Navy). Turned out Merv and I lived fairly close to each other in San Diego, and we stayed in touch. He even came out and was the "bench coach" for one of my teams' MSBL games. When I saw this thread, i emailed him the original post, and he called today. We talked about the O's of that era, and his career. He gave me permission to post the below. (And told some stories I won't post!) Merv's a great storyteller, and talks fast. I was scribbling notes as quickly as I could... - In 1970, when Blair got drilled, Merv wasn't playing much, but was hitting bullets, and only had a .226 batting average to show for it. But (to the best of his recollection) he was near the top in homers on the team. Earl was very loyal to his vets. When they got back to Baltimore after the beaning, Earl gave a newspaper interview, where he called out Merv, saying "we can't have .226 hitters in there". After the beaning, Merv got some regular playing time and put up monster numbers the rest of the year. in the world series that year, he had a +/- 17 pitch ab against Tony Cloninger, and got knocked down. A few pitches later, he drilled a opposite field HR. He thinks it was part of the reason the Reds later traded for him. Note: Jack Tatum, who drilled Blair, was scared as well, and it affected him deeply. 1971, He had the most AB's of the outfielders, FRobin was getting older, Buford's knee was problematic, and Blair was playing scared. Merv was the fastest and best hitter of the bunch at that time. He said even when he would take a bad swing, it seemed like everything was falling in. (High BABIP) Side story: When the O's would be in Fenway or a couple other ballparks, and taking BP, the opposing pitchers would run by and say to Blair stuff like "got one for you today, Blair", an intimidation tactic. One Red Sox pitcher would keep a list of numbers written in his hat, and if the situation permitted, he would drill the hitter, then walk up and stare down at him. 1972: "I had a [crappy] year. Was not hurt it was all mental, and never got it back" There was a strike that year, and when the season started he said he was out of shape, and could never get it going, the whole team seemed to get old at the same time. He tomahawked a homer off John Hiller to straight away center at the Old Tiger stadium, and Earl Weaver told him to start pulling more and hitting more homers, which was not his game. 1973, Had spurts of hitting well, but Bumbry showed up and was the real deal. Merv said Bumby was fastest he saw until Bo Jackson. Baylor grew into left field. Merv also severely bruised his sternum somewhere along in here, and said it hurt like hell. 1974, (Cinn) He was playing center field when Hank Aaron hit his 714th to tie Babe Ruth 1975, (Cinn) Was supposed to be in a platoon with Griffey Sr., George Foster, and Cesar Geronimo, but they only faced a couple lefties through first 30 games. And George Foster hit a monster home run that opened eyes, and he became the regular left fielder and never looked back. He said he felt great that year, and had high hopes, but played little. Misc: Earl Weaver was a stathead, and was an early adopter of matchups on a game by game basis. Merv enjoyed playing for Earl. Not sure of the year, but there was an Old Timers game at Shea stadium, the O's vs. Mets, a 1969 reprise. Merv showed up and Earl asked if he could play. Merv said, "Sure, if you can get me a hip replacement". Earl says "Good, cause you're hitting 3rd", and Merv told him, "Hell you wouldn't hit me 3rd when I COULD hit!" When Petco park opened in San Diego, the first time Pittsburgh came to visit, he met the Pirates general manager from 1971. (Joe Brown), and Joe Brown told Merv he was in the meetings where they discussed a shift against Merv. Pirates SS Jackie Hernandez was playing up the middle in the 2-1 game, and Merv hit a hard ground ball up the middle, right at the waiting Hernandez for the final out of the 1971 series. He said he could be off a bit here or there in some of the stories, he said it all kind of blends together these days. He's 74, and has a couple of kids he works with as a hitting instructor in San Diego, but will soon retire from that and travel more. Cheers, Kyle
  6. 8 points
    Not trying to throw stones from my very glassy house, but, IMO, if we're making jokes about someone's eventual death because he won't spend hundreds of millions on a game in ways we like, then maybe we should all find new/better ways to spend our time. That's basically why my attention has dropped off dramatically.
  7. 7 points
    I'm flattered you guys still remember me from way back then! Hope you guys get a favorable situation to this Machado situation. Theo and the Cubs would surely love to have him, and they will be aggressive/creative for impact guys like this, but it's frankly hard to see a good match. Montgomery is the only real obvious piece. Sadly, all of the Cubs' best prospects are either no longer prospects, or off playing in the Yankees/Tigers/White Sox system. The young/controlled pitchers that are left are either a) ML-ready but not that great, b) not ML-ready, or c), not starters.
  8. 7 points
    If you really want to go down memory lane, years ago this thread would be twice as long by now. That's because Sports Guy would have posted numerous 3-way trade deals, and the end result would be Casey Kotchman in an Orioles uniform.
  9. 7 points
    Guys, not that my opinion has any weight around here nor that it should, but I believe Loin has someone and am interested to hear his information. Some of you are hard on him lately and almost laughing/making fun of what he reports and just says it is just things he sees it on twitter but I have seen that also not be the case. Even if it was just that it is appreciated, IMO, I save time throughout my work day knowing that I can get all my info first on this site, I can never beat some of you all . To be honest, I love the rumors and claims regardless and even people throwing out possible packages that aren't that realistic are still fun to me and interesting. Leave him be, I wouldn't blame him to stop posting the way some of you are acting but I hope he doesn't.
  10. 6 points
    If Cashner is the best pitcher we acquire this winter, we may as well not bother.
  11. 6 points
    You make an unreasonable demand and then keep Manny when no team meets those unreasonable demands. 12 offers! Not one team came close to meeting what the O's demanded? Are the 12 teams out of touch with reality or is it the O's? The Orioles are dumbfounded by the FA prices this year. Which team is out of touch? The Orioles signed Dexter Fowler last year but they didn't. Lot's of public mudslinging by the players agent. The O's didn't have much to say on the subject. People on here still try to make Fowler the bad guy. Which side do you think screwed that one up? Only 1 guess. The unrealistic demand for 2 starating pitchers with 4-5 years of control? You think that was from Duquette or the consensus committee? There's a boat adrift on the ocean and 5 guys are talking about what course should be taken. Meanwhile there is no one at the wheel.
  12. 6 points
  13. 5 points
    There are those who point to those non-trades and say Angelos was right; the O's made the playoffs. A late deadline trade to Cleveland would have brought back Jeromy Burnitz from Cleveland. Burnitz was traded instead to the Brewers. Before signing an extension in March 2001, Burnitz posted an OPS of .875 with 131 HRs and 425 RBIs in his first 4 seasons in Milwaukee. Instead, along with alienating Pat Gillick, this is what Angelos got in return... The last two months of the season, Wells, in 13 GS, was 4-4, with an ERA of 5.87, worst of the starters, comparable to, and worse than, Rocky Coppinger, and a full run higher than Rick Krivda. In the ALDS, Wells had an ERA of 4.61 in his two starts. He won game 1, thanks, in part, to 9 runs of support. In game 4, he left the game with the O's trailing 3-2, with Armando picking up the win in the 12th. In the ALCS vs. NYY, Wells got the game 2 win, with the O's giving him 4 runs of support. Wells bolted for NYY after the season. Bonilla won a WS with the Marlins in '97. The '97 Orioles, sans Wells and Bonilla, went wire-to-wire in winning their first division title since 1983.
  14. 5 points
    If you never read my posts, I kindly request that you at least give the next two paragraphs a read. While I was never the hitter I was a catcher or even coach, I believe I have a few good observations on Davis' hitting or lack-thereof: Davis has cut -- as opposed to bulked-- the previous few seasons, and both the eye test and empirical data (Statcast) support rapidly declining foot-speed, suggesting declining athleticism. To borrow from my college coach, "it takes an athlete to hit the inside pitch." It reasons that CD's declining athleticism is tied to slower hands, and an inability to catch up to the premium fastball. Note that a premium FB can be 98 mph or 90 mph with great deception. Deception comes from the previous pitch and or the pitch of interest itself. Conclusion: Davis' athleticism in his youth allowed him to somewhat compensate for the difficulty inherent in hitting the premium fastball; he no longer possesses this level of athleticism, and thus does not connect on as many fastballs. His takes on hittable fastballs are as symptomatic as his whiffs and foul balls on such pitches. Davis has looked downright lost the past two seasons at the plate. He has inordinately numerous and large stretches of "uncompetitive" at-bats. Think of an uncompetitive at-bat like a pitcher hitting. An uncompetitive at-bat can be decomposed into uncompetitive swings and takes. The preceding paragraph offered some insight into why CD struggles with the good fastball. Davis struggles equally with off-speed. Making solid and consistent contact on an off-speed pitch is predicated on, what I often remark in game threads, the hitter "maintaining the integrity of his swing." Maintaining the integrity of the swing means not slowing down or adjusting the swing itself in reaction to noticing that the pitch is not a fastball (i.e. off-speed). This is why coaches preach keeping your hands back, diagnosing the pitch, then swinging in one motion. A hitter who does not maintain the integrity of his swing slows and alters his bat path, and does not transfer his complete weight/power into the pitch. The result is typically a weak ground-ball or fly-ball. One thing unique about Davis is that he still hits several home runs a year despite not maintaining the integrity of his swing. This is attributable to his mammoth physical strength, and I believe it gives him improper feedback on his swing. An analogous situation is the amateur hitter dropping bombs with an aluminum bat. (Think about it: how easy is it to hit a line-drive with a metal bat? This is why i highly discourage amateur players from practicing with anything but wood. This is also why I would take more stock in summer wood-bat league stats than college stats.) Going back to Davis, I continuously wonder if he is receiving feedback in regard to the integrity of his swing from coaches. He hasn't appeared to attempt an appropriate adjustment in two years. It is actually maddening. The previous paragraph segues into my final, albeit general, observation with Davis' hitting: Chris Davis has lacked an approach since 2015. The number of "hell cuts" Davis takes when ahead in the count saliently reinforces my claim. A "hell cut" is further terminology from my former college coach, characterizing a weak swing ahead in the count that serves no purpose. Contact made with a hell cut is poor, counterproductive and simply shouldn't happen when you own an advantage in the count. (An exception to this may be with a man on third and fewer than two out, in which case contact -- especially in the formidably less theoretical environment of amateur ball -- is a desirable outcome, even if ahead in the count. But the definition of a hell cut is void in this situation.) Davis succumbs to the hell cut more than any hitter in the game, and regardless how helpless and overwhelmed he feels at the plate, can and should be avoided. The other part of Davis' approach I have issue with is his seeming unwillingness to let the ball travel and use the opposite field, especially given the prodigious shifts other teams employ against him. Hitting is VERY hard, so I understand if he does not make quality opposite-field contact in game. I would like to know if he is trying to keep his hands back and hit the ball up the middle and the other way during drills and BP. He probably is, but sometimes I question it. Chris Davis has incredible ability, and has forgotten more about hitting than I have ever known. I really want to see him do well. But I question how he has been coached of late.
  15. 5 points
    I think he's implying his handcuffs chafe a little bit.
  16. 5 points
    What has happened: Longoria leaves rays Stanton leaves Marlins Hosmer leaves Royals What could happen in next 6 months: McCutchen leaves pirates Manny leaves Orioles Donaldson leaves Blue Jays Baseball has a problem. All of these players are the faces of their franchise on medium to small market teams and all of them will leave because those teams can't afford them. Some of them may be good moves and some are horrible moves but it's not a great picture to paint.
  17. 5 points
    Thanks, don't sweat it though. They want me to post links--I do. Then I said over the weekend that the offers got better. No national guys had it, Rosenthal wrote about it this morning and I shared his piece, providing legitimacy that the offers got better. Sometimes you can't impress everyone. Just glad I'm able to help where I can.
  18. 5 points
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/193645/revenue-of-major-league-baseball-teams-in-2010/ 2016 Yankees Revenue- 526 Million 2016 Orioles Revenue- 253 Million
  19. 4 points
    Define “candidate.” Chelsea Manning is a candidate for the U.S. Senate.
  20. 4 points
    So Dan is taking the fifth?
  21. 4 points
    When 2017 Tillman makes your best list, your best list is too long.
  22. 4 points
    If I was related to ownership I would not won't to admit it.
  23. 4 points
    People have continued to overestimate the return for one year of Machado. Four prospects including two ML ready pitchers is just that, an overestimation. The goal should be the best prospects available (at least two), which is more than they get by holding onto him and letting him walk for a draft pick.
  24. 4 points
    Has everyone noticed how the Yankees have gotten the better end of just about every trade they’ve made over the last three years, whether buying or selling? If the Yankees are in, it’s because they sense that the price for Manny isn’t astronomical because the other bids have been underwhelming.
  25. 4 points
    Hey, for what it’s worth... Steamer projects Cargo for a 101 wRC+ Steamer projects Austin Hays for a 102 wRC+ Steamer projects Anthony Santander for a 97 wRC+ ZiPS projects Cargo for an 88 wRC+ ZiPS projects Hays for a 103 wRC+ ZiPS projects Santander for a 93 wRC+ wRC+ is a context neutral metric that tries to assess total value with the bat. It corrects for the Coors field environment among other things. Cargo is also poor defensively which isn’t considered by the numbers above. Edit: 100 is league average for wRC+ and higher is better.
  26. 4 points
    What is the benefit to the O's in 2018 for Manny to play SS.? I don't see one. The O's do not have a replacement 3B. Beckham'a best position is SS. So just because Manny has expressed a desire to play SS should the O's weaken the team to accommodate Manny? Doesn't sound right. Manny has 300 million reasons to have a good 2018. He needs no more incentive. Manny is not going out of his way to accommodate the O's. He is not giving a home town discount on a long term agreement. I am not saying he should. He worked to get to be in a position to test the market and if that is what he wants he should do that. But that does not benefit the O's. So why should the O's handicap the team to benefit Manny's desires to play SS in his last year with the O's? I think the O's should do what is best for the team. And if that means Manny plays 3B. That is what he should do. If that means trading Manny, that is what the O's should do. If the offers are not good enough and the best benefit to the O's is for Manny to stay, that i what the O's should do.
  27. 4 points
    For obvious reasons, we’re all focused on the pitching. While waiting for that to sort out, what do we think of our offense as it stands now? 2016: 744 runs (7th), .256 BA (9th), .317 OBP (9th), .443 SLG (2nd), .760 OPS (3rd), 253 HR (1st), 19 SB (15th), 1324 K’s (11th*), 468 BB (10th). 2017: 743 runs (8th), .260 BA (4th), .312 OBP (13th), .435 OBP (5th), .747 OPS (9th), 232 HR (5th), 32 SB (15th), 1412 K’s (12th*), 392 BB (14th). * 11th = 5th highest, 12th = 4th highest. On the surface, run production barely changed. We scored one fewer run and finished one spot lower on the list of runs scored by team. However, on a closer look there are two issues: 1. Average runs per team was up by 32 runs, so our one run drop is a 33-run drop relative to the rest of the league. 2. The team OBP, SLG and OPS all dropped by appreciable amounts. The run total didn’t drop proportionately, due to the fact that the team hit very well in RISP situations, which isn’t likely to be sustained. So, my baseline is that our offense was down appreciably in 2017, and was below average on the whole. So what do we think about 2018? We’ve lost the following players: 1. Wellington Castillo (.813 OPS in 365 PA). Whatever you think of his defense, and however much you may like Chance Sisco’s offense in the long run, we are probably taking a significant step back at C offensively in 2018. 2. Seth Smith (.774 OPS in 373 PA). Highest OBP on the team, so we’re probably losing some OBP at a minimum. 3. JJ Hardy (.578 OPS in 268 PA). We may miss his steady glove, but the bat won’t be missed. 4. Hyun Soo Kim (.593 OPS in 142 PA). We won’t miss that, either. I’m not going to write off Gentry, Tejada (who signed a MiL with us) or Flaherty just yet. In terms of additions, we possibly have Hays and Sisco, and will have a full year of Beckham, though we have to assume he won’t match his .871 OPS of August/September. And we’ll see if we pick up someone else. As to the returning players, we’d hope for more than we got last year from Davis, Trumbo and Machado (assuming, for now, that he’s not traded). IMO, we’re hoping we hold serve with Schoop, Joseph, Mancini and Jones. Overall, I’m not expecting huge improvement in the 2018 offense. Realistic best case scenario is probably to return to 2016 levels, just barely above average. Worst case scenario is to slide a little further than where we were last year, and be a bottom-third offense. Thoughts?
  28. 4 points
    Orioles officials are divided as to whether of not they should have a checklist. A decision is expected before spring training.
  29. 4 points
    I assume everything we are talking about in this thread is just for fun and speculative. I'd advise everyone to do the same.
  30. 4 points
    We have a guy who could be an above average overall SS for the next three years if we don’t screw him up by moving him around. And this is the year to find out what we have in him, IMO.
  31. 4 points
    He has done well to put his league-wide bad boy image behind him. It would be best for him to do what his team asks. For the four generations of Machados that he is about to fund.
  32. 4 points
    Raffy in high leverage situations for the Orioles: 1994 - 1.272 OPS 1995 - .709 1996 - 1.082 1997 - .897 1998 - 1.032 2004 - .830 2005 - .729 I have a hard time concluding that Raffy’s stats were built on “garbage time” production. For his entire career, his OPS in high leverage situations was .920.
  33. 4 points
    a 23 year old SS, who put up a 3.9fWAR season at age 22, is the best defensive SS in the NL and is under control for 4 more years by himself is great haul for a 1 season of a guy you have zero chance of extending. If Theo gives up those 3 you're going to find a hell of a lot of pissed off Cub fans when they could have just bought him instead. I still say there's no way in hell that was actually proposed.
  34. 4 points
    Oh, wait, it seems to have changed it's mind. Yes, turning back now. But wait, seems to be crossing again. No ... no .... definitely NOT crossing the road this time. Hmmm. Sitting in median. Contemplating? Never mind.
  35. 4 points
    “[T]he biggest lesson is that I realized the importance of routines,” said Kim. “I thought I had built a solid routine myself, but it was nothing compared to what the big leaguers were doing. I thought players who stuck to their routines were always able to get out of their slumps quickly.” Yoo also “marveled” at the manner in which big league players took care of their bodies, Yoo writes, and offered a candid assessment of his time in the Majors. While he attributes many of his struggles to a lack of regular playing time, he takes responsibility for his lack of at-bats. “I didn’t play well when I did have my opportunity,” said Kim. “So it’s on me.” https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/international-notes-huff-kim.html
  36. 4 points
    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all my fellow Oriole fans here on the Hangout! God bless each one of you, your families, and may He keep you safe and healthy during the holiday season!
  37. 4 points
    Dang and I really thought they had a shot at him. I guess it's time for plan B, Darvish and Arrieta.
  38. 4 points
    Well, if you don’t like the bids, you don’t trade a guy just to trade him. You hope something better comes along later in the offseason and if not, at the deadline. It’s kind of pointless to criticize this move without knowing what’s been offered.
  39. 4 points
    Yea, I disagree. How about you give me 10 million then you can slander my name all you like. I think all that paying him 10 million will accomplish is making him 10 million richer at the expense of team payroll.
  40. 4 points
    To watch other teams make their club better with moves and trades and exciting additions and to watch our team hampered by money issues and a lack of depth and imagination makes me depressed and angry. Yes, the Orioles probably HAD to move Manny and likely Britton...but we are looking at a cellar team now for perhaps years to come with few if any exciting players to watch. I'm so frustrated in watching the Yankees make great additions and re-signs, and having the money is the major difference..but its the same old story. Teams with more money and more desire to field exciting teams to make their teams competitive and compelling usually win and teams like ours have a small window before they go down again...and we are definitely going down again.And just watch the Yankees acquire Manny either THIS year or NEXT.
  41. 4 points
    Archer is under contract for 4/33.7m. On the open market he’d be worth at least 100m over 4 years. Manny has a ton of value to a contender, above and beyond his surplus value but not enough to make up for the 70ish million in value you are giving up trading Archer. Its all about the contract. Money while not always important to fans is extremely important to teams.
  42. 4 points
    The Yankees are a behemoth financial organization compared to the Orioles. Just in payroll alone, the Yankees spent over 1.2 Billion dollars from 2012-2017 which was almost exactly double the figure of the Orioles....so that is a 600 million dollar difference in payroll alone. Then the Yankees spend exponetially more than the Orioles in their scouting, staff, developmental activities, etc. However, for the extra 600 million dollars spent during 2012-2017, the Yankees won exactly a grand total of 10 more games than we did in those 6 years and all of that 10 game advantage came solely from last years record compared to ours. Money doesn’t create good baseball management, it simply enables bad management decisions to be papered over by money.
  43. 4 points
    We get it, give it a rest please.
  44. 4 points
    No idea on specific offers. Haven’t been told yet. Just that offers got significantly better last night and talks really progressed. Haven’t seen anyone say anything on social media yet or any reports out there, but it will be coming.
  45. 4 points
    Things picked up last night. Offers are getting better than what they originally were at the beginning of the week.
  46. 3 points
    One key area of focus of the discussion (I just watched it) was definitely that there is an uncertainty about Manny Machado. They emphasized how bad his numbers were at the beginning of the season and then how good he was in the middle, only to fall off again at the end. And realistically, in terms of the end of the season, I am not going to really evaluate it because I really think the offense checked out because of the pitching. It's a flawed offense, for sure, but I think battling all season and just going through those pitching performances every day wore them down the same way it wore us down. I'm sort of with their evaluation (shredder), but only because I can't say that Machado is going to be GREAT next season. I I think for a lot of us, we feel like (baseball is never guaranteed) we know what Trout is going to do, Donaldson, Bryant, etc. We can hope against it sometimes, but we have an expectation. When it comes to Machado, I don't know. He hit a lot of hard balls at the beginning of last season. Do those fall this season instead of turning it outs? Does he put on a more consistent performance or does he have extended periods of the season where he disappears offensively? If the pitching improves, does he remain more engaged throughout the entire season? I don't know. I think watching him every night and seeing what he can be, it causes your perception to skew upwards (thus the fans putting him #2). But is perception reality? I think as everyone else has said, I can't see $300 million. Also interesting (and I missed the guy's name so someone can hopefully help me out there), the one guy they brought on seemed very negative about Machado wanting to be shortstop. The gist that I took away was he felt Machado needs to make a decision about do you want to be a big, strong, power guy or a shortstop because you can't do both. That was interesting because, of course, I don't spend much time thinking about his physiology because I am too busy trying to mentally channel him into staying at third because I love watching his defense there. Either way, fun discussion and I think at the end of the day, what the show really said about Machado is, we don't really know where he belongs on the list.
  47. 3 points
    Zero chance the Yankees are giving up Gray or Severino in a package for Machado. They're not going to open a gaping hole in their rotation, especially when their this close to the cap and absolutely must get under this year.
  48. 3 points
    Lying is a preferred business tool with a long history of success. It's always an effective credibility-builder so it works great in personal relationships as well. Highly recommended.
  49. 3 points
    I am another team’s fan. And I hope I’ve been respectful in regards to my comments here. Obviously you are free to dream big about the returns for Machado; I don’t blame you for doing so. But I’ll state that my opinions (and those of others) have been rooted in recent history. I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade; indeed, I apologize if that is the perception. What I am trying to do is to add some potential realistic packages that might be discussed by their relative merits.
  50. 3 points
    I don't think we need an owner with limitless bank account. I'd just like an owner who puts people in charge and let's them do their job and not meddle.
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