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  1. 18 points
    When I was batboy for the Baltimore Orioles in Miami, things didn’t start in the clubhouse till someone said, “Frank is here”. “Frank”,of course, was Frank Robinson, future Hall of Famer, one of baseball’s greatest players ever, and the leader of the team. There were great names in that locker room, and a few would also someday be Hall Of Famers too. Brooks Robinson, Jim Palmer,later Eddie Murray, and of course, manager Earl Weaver. But there was only one “Frank”. Frank came “here”, in Baltimore in 1966. He was traded away after the Cincinnati Reds GM called him “an old 30.” Frank would use that comment to motivate him, empower him. “When I saw him double down the right field line on the first day of Spring Training, I told Dick Hall, “we just won the pennant with that guy.”. He wasn’t wrong. Robinson won the Triple Crown and led the Orioles to their first world championship that year. As a ball player Robinson had few peers. Mantle was the bigger name and more beloved. Clemente was more graceful and elegant. Musial a better hitter. Mays and Aaron were more complete players. But Frank Robinson was something that those others were not. He was a fierce warrior. Frank Robinson walked into that locker room and you could feel it. “Frank’s here”, yelled Paul Blair when Robinson came into the clubhouse. You knew who was in charge. You knew immediately who had command of that locker room. Frank was funny, sarcastic,acerbic, critical, uncensored, wise, and a true baseball sage. Earl Weaver, who confronted almost anyone, would never confront Frank. Weaver knew you don’t mess with a warrior. Frank Robinson’s statistics were among the greatest in baseball history , but mere numbers can’t define the leadership, authority, and influence this man had. No one else was Most Valuable player in both the National and American league. No one else was manager of the year in both leagues. Frank Robinson was the first black manager in major league baseball, and he homered in his first at bat as a player manager too. He was a lion of a man. A figure who led, influenced,empowered, and inspired his teammates to win. I remembered the game when he hit the longest home run at Memorial Stadium, the game where he hit TWO grand slams, the catch falling into the right field stands in New York. But no one moment defines Frank Robinson better than beating the tag at home plate in the winning run in game 6 of the 1971 World Series. It was a metaphor for the player he was. Frank Robinson was determined and aggressive and would not be denied. It was the last World Series Robinson would ever play in. Robinson played that game like he know he’d never have another chance. Frank Robinson was, like his predecessor who shared his last name, Jackie Robinson,strong willed, courageous, stubborn, and single minded. Like Jackie he broke down barriers, pushed convention, and demanded to be respected and heard. He didn’t just “come to play” he came to win. Talent was only part of it. Will was certainly most of it. There was a fire that burned within him and it spilled over onto the field… He brawled with Eddie Mathews on the field. He slid hard on the base paths, taking all he endured and suffered as a black man in baseball in the 50’s and early 60’s and exorcised his demons on the field of play. He challenged teammates. He insulted teammates. He made them laugh and he made them competitively angry. He was a critic, and advocate and activist for his teammates and the game of baseball to do better. He offended some…and uplifted many. Once, when he was Giants manager, he went to the mound and asked for the ball from the pitcher he was taking out of the game. The pitcher “flipped” it to him. Robinson grabbed the pitcher on the mound and said “don’t you EVER flip a ball to me again…or I’ll knock you on you ass right here on the mound in front of everyone.” Robinson demanded respect..and like Jackie, he didn’t much care if you liked him or not. You WOULD respect him. I can’t say Frank Robinson was an easy man. He led a hard life in his youth, never knew his father,lived in poverty…and shared injustice with his high school basketball teammates Bill Russell(yes, THE Bill Russell) Curt Flood, and Vada Pinson. When he came to Baltimore he couldn’t live in any white areas..but Brooks Robinson helped him find a home for Robinson’s family, and Frank never forgot Brooks’ kindness and help. When he lay dying Brooks called him and the two chatted with mutual respect and gratitude… Frank Robinson was a force on nature… He never stepped back. He never stepped away from a challenge. I saw his first at bat as an Oriole when he played in his first game in Spring Training. On the first pitch,he hit a ball over the clock at Miami Stadium about 500 feet away. The Orioles had arrived. “Frank was here”. His loss to baseball is profound. There were greater players..but not many. There weren’t many who had a greater impact on the game and his like will never be seen again. He was one of a kind. “Frank WAS…here”
  2. 13 points
    There is so much I could say. But for now, I'll just quote from a thread I did on Frank's 75th birthday. A huge piece of my childhood died today.
  3. 6 points
    Thank you Mr. Robinson for some great years of Baltimore Baseball... and for giving this 68 year old many, many years of telling friends and family about one September night in 1971 when this 21 year old was fortunate to catch your 500th home run ball (on the fly) and was honored to give it back to you with no questions asked.
  4. 6 points
    When I was a young kid a stood in line with his baseball card waiting for an autograph. A grown man pushed me away to get in front of me. Frank Robinson wouldn't sign for that guy, but told me that one day I'd get big enough to push that guy back. The Orioles are very fortunate to have him as part of their family.
  5. 6 points
    Let's not forget that PECOTA is named after this guy: One of the best baseball cards ever. So maybe they whiff hard on their projections and Mancini rakes at an .850 OPS this summer.
  6. 4 points
    Well I think Trezza would probably suck. Sanchez, on the other hand, could be pretty good.
  7. 4 points
    o Pitcher hits the batter, the batter is out. You hit 27 batters, you've got yourself a perfect game. George Carlin, 1986 o
  8. 3 points
    Send up your prayers. My favorite Oriole.
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  11. 3 points
    That’s awesome, Roy. You captured the man perfectly. You mentioned his brawl with Eddie Matthews. It happened in the first game of a doubleheader and Frank got punched in the eye and had to leave the game. He came back in the nightcap and had a homer and a double and robbed Matthews with a diving catch. “That’s the best way to get even,” he said. Damned straight. Theres an account of that incident in this excellent NY Times piece on Frank from 1974. https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/04/archives/a-fighting-leader-frank-robinson.html
  12. 3 points
    First, you can’t have unlikely facts. Second there is plenty of evidence that ownership mismanaged this team into the ground and not Dan Duquette. He was at the helm for three playoff seasons in seven years. Not everything he did paid off. I don’t agree with everything he did. He was here when we were competitive. He wasn’t incompetent.
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  14. 3 points
    o One of my earliest memories in baseball was when I became an Orioles fan, in October of 1971 when I was in 1st grade ........ it was Game Six of that season's World Series. My family was rooting for the Pirates in the World Series because they liked Roberto Clemente, so I rooted for the Orioles.)I remember that we won Game 6 when an Orioles runner slid home underneath the Pirates' catcher who had leaped in the air for the throw ........ I later learned that it was Frank Robinson sliding underneath Manny Sanguillen. I remember all of the Orioles hugging each other at home plate immediately afterward. I also later learned that Robinson almost single-handedly won that game for the Orioles in that final inning, hustling from 1st base to 3rd base on a single in which he had no business doing so, and then doing the same thing by scoring on a Sac-Fly on a very shallow fly ball to centerfield ....... Robinson's hustle on both plays was the biggest factor as to why there would be a Game Seven played the next day (the Orioles had been down 3 games to 2 prior to that Game Six.) O
  15. 3 points
    Frank and Brooks came to my elementary school in 1967 and I remember Frank and Brooks calling each other the Robinson brothers and hugging each other..a lot...an important and powerful statement to us kids on race. Frank was always willing to sign balls and take photos after games at Memorial Stadium...He was an AMAZING player...his menancing, glowering, right on top of the plate stance led to leading baseball in being hit by pitches...he never rushed a pitcher, he would usually hit a homerun the next time up. He is an amazing trailblazer as manager and as executive....we mourn his passing, but honor and celebrate his amazing life! God bless his family and keep 5hem in prayers in coming days.
  16. 3 points
    Oh, man. I guess with the latest reports on this, it wouldn't be long, but not this soon. Prayers for his soul and the comfort of his family.
  17. 3 points
    This looks to be Elias' first ML signing.
  18. 3 points
    As an Orioles beat reporter, spin can be pretty important.
  19. 2 points
    To the shock of everyone, the Orioles are expected to be lousy. Their projected record is 57-105. The Tigers have the next lousiest projected record at 67-95. Here is the team page. Here is the main page.
  20. 2 points
    He will henceforth be known as Zack Britton. Please excuse the improper forum but I thought this important news about a former Oriole merited discussion on the main board!
  21. 2 points
    Heard you read on the Fan Roy, thanks for sharing, really enjoyed listening.
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  24. 2 points
    The first few years of your career in the majors, you have no choice but to take what the team offers you each year, basically the major league minimum for a guy with your service time. (I think it starts at a little over $500K). Maybe they will be nice and tack on an extra $50K because I like you, but otherwise, unless you negotiate a long term deal, you get pretty much the minimum. After a certain amount of service time you become eligible for arbitration. If you have not signed a long term deal and are still playing for you team on a year to year contract basis, you now don't have to get the minimum anymore. You basically will get paid based on how much an arbitrator thinks you are worth, based on your performance over the past few years, sort of to simulate what you might get if you were a free agent, without actually setting you free to negotiate with other teams. So you sumit a figure, and the team submits a figure. The arbitrator has to choose one or the other, he can't split the difference. So you are motivated not to ask for TOO much or the arbitrator would choose the team's figure; and the team is motivated not to offer TOO little becuase the arbitrator would choose your figure. (You can avoid arbitration if you and the team can agree on a deal, usually one that splits the difference). So having one year of arbitration left means that Karns can go to arbitration next year to determine his 2020 salary, and then he will be eligible for free agency in 2021. So if he does well for us, he'll get a lot more than $800K next year. But if we want to keep him, we have him under team control for 2019 and 2020 even though he just signed a one year contract today.
  25. 2 points
    Two of these are not like the others. Lol.
  26. 2 points
    I was a few months old when he played his last game for the Orioles, but I loved his time as manager, and of course I've heard countless great stories here of his playing exploits. Really an inner circle guy, one of the best of the best. Only an Oriole player for six seasons, but one of the best peaks ever in Baltimore. And he just seemed like a great dude.
  27. 2 points
    I an very sad. 1966 was the greatest season by an Oriole that I have ever witnessed. Rest in peace Frank
  28. 2 points
    Truly the icon of what Baltimore Baseball is all about - a great man! He is already missed!
  29. 2 points
    Also, I don’t think lack of scoring is really an issue right now. It’s lack of action. Going to a 5-4 game with a combined 54 strikeouts and 9 solo homers isn’t as fun as going to a 5-4 game with 20 hits and 42 other balls hit into play. Homers are exciting but not when there’s no other form of offense and nobody’s making contact. At least, in my opinion.
  30. 2 points
    Hope he's in a better place.
  31. 2 points
    Deserves its own thread, IMO.
  32. 2 points
    Well, $800k means there are concerns built in. That's why he's so cheap. But that's fine.
  33. 2 points
    I always assumed you lived in North Carolina.
  34. 2 points
    Narrator: "It didn't."
  35. 2 points
    Well, I guess atomic can sleep at night now, knowing that we’ve signed a major league free agent. Good luck to Karns, I hope his shoulder stays attached to his body.
  36. 2 points
    There's no bubble to burst, I'm just happy to have something to talk/think about.
  37. 2 points
    Another 40-man addition, another chance to cut Mike Wright.
  38. 2 points
    Drafted by the Astros in 2006 in 10th round but didn't sign.
  39. 2 points
    I was hoping for something more across the lines like Metta World Peace.
  40. 2 points
    Fifty inch? High Definition? Look whose living in 2015.
  41. 2 points
    Isn't this the thread where we whine about BP being totally biased against the Orioles and how they're really going to win 63 or even 67?
  42. 2 points
    Brings back nostalgia from my baseball card collecting days!
  43. 2 points
    He's no Ghiroli, but I think he could help our farm system.
  44. 2 points
    I think they should have 12-man rosters. If you're not good enough to pitch and play a position and hit you shouldn't be playing the game.
  45. 1 point
    I am deeply saddened to learn of Frank's passing. May his memory be a blessing. Thank you, #20. Ya done good.
  46. 1 point
    Seared into my memory. I remember being glued to the TV as a 9 year old when it happened. All alone in my grandma's den, no one else was interested in watching. My favorite Frank memory that I recall seeing in real time. And the baseball card from that game with the leaping Sanguillen was one of my favorites ever.
  47. 1 point
    I'd be curious to know the experiences of parents on here that are NOT enormous soccer fans themselves. Their mileage may vary a little bit. The answer to the cord cutting thing is simple.........just figure out a way to get streaming to work. It's clearly the future. The other stuff you're always gonna have. I'm more pessimistic about the future of the NFL 25 years from now than I am about MLB.
  48. 1 point
    I’m really interested to see how the young outfielders shake out this year. Mullins, Stewart, Diaz, Hays and McKenna — lots of moving parts there. For what it’s worth, PECOTA/BP project: Mullins .688 OPS in 608 PA Stewart .669 OPS in 443 PA Hays .670 OPS in 274 PA Diaz and McKenna not in the majors. Personally I think the Mullins projection is pretty solid if he plays a lot against LHP. It will not surprise me if he’s platooned more and ends up with a .700+ OPS in 500ish at bats. Stewart’s playing time looks reasonable but I think he’ll hover at .700 OPS or maybe slightly above. I don’t think Hays sees 274 PA this year, especially if he’s posting a .670 OPS. I think he only gets called up if he’s back to mashing in the minors, and if he does, he might get 100 PA and hopefully exceed .700 OPS.
  49. 1 point
    Where? Since 2000 there are five pitchers (min 100 PAs) with a career OPS better than Mark Belanger. Brandon Backe and Brian Bohanan barely cleared the 100 PA minimum. Mike Hampton got most of his ABs in pre-humidor Colorado, and Dontrelle Willis and Carlos Zambrano had .650ish OPSes and 10:1 K:BB ratios. You can round off the number of good hitting pitchers who'd qualify as good at any other position to zero. The DH exists mainly because pitchers hitting are several orders of magnitude worse than any other position hitting. On a scale where 100 is average the 10 positions are something like 112, 109, 107, 102, 100, 99, 97, 92, 89, 28.
  50. 1 point
    I can only imagine the threads complaining about Cruz, and trading away DeCinces for Dan Ford if Orioles Hangout existed back in 1983. 🤣
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