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  1. 9 points
    This one happened to me personally when I was batboy for the Orioles in 1970.I was a kid and I was sitting in the dugout at Miami Stadium.I sat next to Earl Weaver and George Bamberger.Suddenly at the end of the dugout there was a commotion. Bobby Grich, then a rookie, was ready to come to blows with Frank. We were stunned. Earl and George started to run over to break it up...and I got there just in time to hear this exchange. Grich:"I hit 32 home runs in Rochester.I am ready to be the new Orioles second baseman. Frank:(please forgive the profanity)"You aren't shit to me or anyone on this team." Grich:"You don't respect me? I'll kick your ass" Frank:"I don't respect ANYONE who talks about their numbers at Triple A. You haven't done shit at this level." Suddenly Grich calmed down. Grich"'You don't think I can play at this level?" Frank: "Im not saying that.I'm saying your numbers mean nothing till you prove it here." That exchange capsulized perfectly what kind of player, leader and person Frank was. He didn't care if you were a "hotshot" prospect or a veteran. If you didn't produce for his team...you weren't even worthy of a discussion. Year later, Bobby Grich who has been my friend every day since then told me this, "On that day, I grew to respect Frank. As a player i was full of drive and ambition(Grich deserves to be in the HOF). But Frank set me straight that day. Until you play the game, and play well....you don't belong." Frank never cared who he offended or embarrassed. He only cared about one thing. Who can help us win? Today I spoke to Jim Palmer the HOF pitcher and my very close friend about Frank. Heres what he said. "Lots of people live for adoration and love in this game. Frank Robinson didn't care about love because he didn't want love. He wanted respect". Frank Robinson didn't come to play. He came to WIN.
  2. 4 points
  3. 3 points
    https://www.baltimorebaseball.com/2019/02/09/joe-angel-retiring-orioles-broadcasts/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true Joe will be “retiring” at age 71.
  4. 3 points
    He's the Rear Admiral of the Good Ship Lollipop
  5. 3 points
    Mel Proctor and John Lowenstein on HTS. That was something special.
  6. 3 points
    Mel Proctor worked HTS with Brother Lo, classic TV. Michael Reg-hi, with his noticeably fake toupee, was another insufferable.
  7. 3 points
    I will miss Joe a lot more than Manny and I liked Manny.
  8. 3 points
    That’s a huge kick in the nuts. Angel was the rare broadcaster who could keep a game entertaining even when the O’s were hopelessly out of it. I’m very sad to hear this news. And it’s awfully close to the season start to be hearing this. I agree with interloper that it’s silly to speculate that Angel’s departure is anything other than his own choice. If it isn’t, we’ll know soon enough.
  9. 3 points
    I'm fully and strongly against rumor mongering. The article linked sure made it seem like it wasn't as simple as he was just retiring. So if you want to blame someone for how the conversation is framed, in this case, you should blame Dubroff for how he wrote the story. It isn't rumor mongering to read a story the way it's written.
  10. 3 points
    Stop rumor mongering. The guy is 71 and he hasn't commented yet. There would be no reason for ownership to not want him back. He is a treasure.
  11. 2 points
    He was born in segregated Little Rock Arkansas in 1937. Jim Crow laws didn't allow blacks and white to mingle almost anywhere. He was an aspiring baseball player, who never even knew a black man except for a man named Sonny, who oversaw his little league park where he played. That was the only black man he had ever met. He never played baseball with a black player...until things changed with the Little Rock Nine. The Little Rock Nine was a group of nine African American students enrolled in Little Rock Central High School in 1957, which was a seminal moment in the Civil Rights movement. This young man never really understood prejudice. His father was a decent and kind man,instilling respect and honor to his sons... and the young man and his brothers would eventually play against, but not with, black players. He left Little Rock to play pro baseball...the same year Little Rock became a center of racial tension and change.... His name was Brooks Calvert Robinson, and he never even knew a black man in baseball he would call a close friend. He was born in segregated Texas, moved to Oakland, California after his father abandoned the family, and he endured unbelievable racial hatred. He enrolled at McClymonds High School in Oakland, hoping to play pro basketball or baseball. His high school teammates were Bill Russell, who became an NBA legend,Curt Flood, who would eventually challenge the reserve clause in Major league baseball, and perennial All Star Vada Pinson. HIS name was Frank Robinson, and he went to the big leagues, becoming an instant star for the Cincinnati Reds, earning Rookie of the Year honors. In December 1965, Frank Robinson was traded to the Baltimore Orioles, and both men's lives would change forever. Brooks and Frank Robinson, the "Robinson Boys". Baltimore was mostly segregated in 1966, Frank's first year in Baltimore...but Brooks, remembering his father's tolerance and kindness, made his new teammate feel at home. Then he grew to understand what racial prejudice really was. "When Frank came to Baltimore", Brooks told me tonight, "I saw things I couldn't believe. He couldn't rent a decent apartment, he couldn't buy a house. So I put my name "Robinson" on a down payment for a house. They thought the "Robinson" was me. But it was for Frank. When the realtors found out it was for this new black player...well, lets say the deal magically fell through". I was angry for Frank. Angry for his pain. And for the first time in my life...I came to understand how bigotry caused pain and suffering for people...especially a family". Frank Robinson, thanks to Brooks' insistence and name got a modest home in Baltimore..and Frank Robinson, for the rest of his life grew to love and admire...the "other Robinson" . They led their teams to two world titles, and played in 5 World Series together. In the first inning of the first World Series the Orioles ever played in,Frank and Brooks Robinson hit back to back home runs...and their story became legend. They won that World Series over the Dodgers in a four game sweep. Brooks Robinson called Frank early last week. His old friend and teammate was dying of bone cancer. 'When I got on the phone with him, his voice was thin. I told him I was praying for him. I told him that I loved him. But I knew I would never speak to him again. Just as I said goodbye on the phone, I got choked up. I knew it was the final goodbye." Brooks and Frank Robinson were inexorably linked in baseball history...but their friendship was authentic and the two families were deeply close..until the end. "You can't really understand the hardships that people have in their lives unless you walk in their shoes", said Brooks to me Thursday night. "He led by example and he led his team in ways I didn't..and couldn't". "I knew he was the greatest player I ever played with", he said, "but more than that, he was one of the greatest men I ever knew." Brooks Robinson and Frank Robinson. The 'Robinson Boys" , couldn't have been different in personality or style. But baseball brought them together. They played the game as teammates and learned that great teammates and great friends brought out the best in each other. "I'll really miss Frank. He had a great life. He had a hard life. But he made the game batter, he made his team a champion, and he made my life so much better". I'm a better man for having known him," said Brooks. As I hung up the phone, I remembered a famous quote by humanitarian, Albert Schweitzer who put it this way: "In everyone's life, at some time, our inner fire goes out. It is then burst into flame by an encounter with another human being. We should all be thankful for those people who rekindle the inner spirit. Brooks and Frank. Their inner spirits will be intertwined for eternity.
  12. 2 points
    Did anyone consider that at 71-years old Joe doesn't want to follow up a 47-win season with another rebuilding year that is looking at another 100+ loss season? i wouldn't blame him one bit to not want a travel this much at this stage in his career to cover a team at this stage of the rebuild. I hope the Orioles bring someone new to be play by play and maybe pair him with Ben McDonald as much as possible.
  13. 2 points
    Bordick is a very smart baseball man who unfortunately it appears has gone to the Jim Hunter school of rainbows and unicorns school of broadcasting. His usage of baseball cliches continually, including some that it appears he made up himself (steaks for RBIs), drives me up a wall. Also his penchent for reading the stats put on the screen for a new pitcher or when talking about a prospects is insufferable. Give us analysis of the numbers, not read them off.
  14. 2 points
    A few years ago during the first spring training game, Hunter referred to Chris Lee's 5-0 record at Bowie the year before to indicate how good a prospect he was. I was speechless.
  15. 2 points
    Anything that allows Hunter to be heard more is bad news.
  16. 2 points
    I don't hold a grudge and hope the Yankees have as much success as the O's have had with Davis.
  17. 2 points
    I liked Miller better, but I like Joe a lot. Having both was ideal. They played well in the sandbox together.
  18. 2 points
    It figures. The year I drop MASN from my extra sports satellite package to save money, thinking "but I get to hear the magnificent Joe" and now he's retired. The long season just got longer for me.
  19. 2 points
    I was never a big fan of Fred, but I do appreciate the affection people have for him being a local guy from Baltimore. Chuck Thompson, Jon Miller, and Joe Angel are the ones I admire the most. You can tell Jim Hunter loves the Orioles, but he is often insufferable. We're left with waiting for the Orioles to announce their plans for 2019.
  20. 2 points
    Your last line in particular tells me you know nothing about @weams. Nothing. Any "drama" here is from you continuing to get in a twist about this. I suggest you take it offline.
  21. 2 points
    Jim Hunter: bringing new meaning to the term spin rate.
  22. 2 points
    This is going to be tough. So much Hunter. Praying that McDonald goes full time.
  23. 1 point
    Ah man, what a bummer this is. Joe was such a joy to listen to, he was one of the best to do it. He will be missed, that’s for sure! Enjoy retirement, good sir.
  24. 1 point
    Imagine having to listen to Hunter pretend he knows about analytics every day AND travel with the guy.
  25. 1 point
  26. 1 point
    I disagree strongly, but I appreciate your thoughts. I enjoy a good poetry chat, but my point was that Bordick fails at the basic skill of sounding like he is in any way involved in the game, and when he tries, the attempts fail worse than not trying at all.
  27. 1 point
    I think the "Oh" is absolutely perfect: a single, breathless syllable that articulates the wonder Magee beheld as he soared to the brink of the troposphere in his Spitfire. What better word do we have in the English language for rapture than "Oh"? It's exactly the right word to begin that poem.
  28. 1 point
    That’s awesome. Yeah I mean I try to be positive but those aren’t worthy of discussion. I don’t mind Hunter as a MC type for Opening Day but I’d rather someone else call the game.
  29. 1 point
    If they offered it, they won’t walk away from it. As irritating as it would be if the Yankees get Manny, it’s really going to be irritating to see them getting him at a relative bargain.
  30. 1 point
    Yep, I agree. I've been saying for weeks that they're just waiting this out and he'll end up going there. Kinda like the Sox did last year with Victor Martinez.
  31. 1 point
  32. 1 point
    I mute the tv. He’s awful. And people think he’s awful across all age groups too. Not sure why he keeps getting airtime. I get the homer thing but he has zero credibility. Hopefully he just does player announcing and that’s it. I can tolerate Bordick but Hunter gets the mute or turn the channel from me.
  33. 1 point
    Baseball is really losing my interest now. Obviously the main reason is how bad the O’s are, but plenty of others. Sox/MFY re-emerging powerhouses Boring offseason Lack of balls in play Price of mlbtv
  34. 1 point
    Baseball and football play-by-play seems to be near death these days. I try to tune into games while I'm traveling, etc., and most of the play-by-play folks pale in comparison to previous generations. I'm sure the listening audience is a tiny, tiny fraction of what it was 20 years ago, much less 30 years ago. I am sure the vast majority of good young broadcasters are on TV. Radio game calling is definitely a dying art, with a few exceptions here and there.
  35. 1 point
    And his often "yuk-worthy corn pone humor" got me through decades of crap baseball. We are certainly poorer without him. I liked Miller....I loved Angel! Hunter and Thorne?!
  36. 1 point
    Some teams work that way. Sandusky took over for Garceau when the Ravens moved to WBAL radio. When Frank Herzog left the Redskins, Snyder said he let it up to the station to decide.
  37. 1 point
    This is worse news than Manfra retiring. When Fred quit it was "at least we still have Joe." Now it's truly the end of an era. Very sad.
  38. 1 point
    Theories: 1. Late decision by Joe to retire and he's not commenting because the Os will announce it soon and he'll have a planned statement. 2. Mutual decision. Joe wants to limit games, Os want a little more consistency. They agree to part amicably. 3. OWNERSHIP KICKS JOE TO THE CURB, FORCES HIM TO RETIRE WITH ONE YEAR LEFT ON CONTRACT SOMEHOW!!1!? Which of these seems least likely? Hmm..
  39. 1 point
    Probably no connection between this and how much Ben works. The Orioles will have to hire a new PBP guy, orobifrom the minor league ranks. And Ben has probably already determined how many games he will do color work for and that isn't likely to change. Ben was on 105.7 yesterday morning talking about Frank, who he played for. And he said he would be back doing some games this year but didn't say how many. He did mention that he would do some spring training games.
  40. 1 point
    I literally just had a conversation with my dad and we were saying the only reason left to tune into games this year was Joe Angel. Awful awful news.
  41. 1 point
    It occurs to me that Shohei Ohtani is an option. Among pure pitchers here are some thoughts: Jack Flaherty, 22, Brad Keller, 22 Shane Bieber, 23 Walker Buehler, 23 German Marquez, 23 Jose Berrios, 24 Luis Severino, 24 Aaron Nola, 25 I’ll stop there Honestly I’d take ten hitters before guessing which pitcher would hold up over ten years.
  42. 1 point
    I understand and agree we need star talent, but unless WR Marquise Brown is available, I don't see any WR that merits a pick at 22, including Metcalf. I do believe Josh Jacobs warrants consideration at 22, but would be surprised- given our historical aversion to take a RB early.
  43. 1 point
    When I was batboy for the Baltimore Orioles in Miami, things didn’t start in the clubhouse till someone said, “Frank is here”. “Frank”,of course, was Frank Robinson, future Hall of Famer, one of baseball’s greatest players ever, and the leader of the team. There were great names in that locker room, and a few would also someday be Hall Of Famers too. Brooks Robinson, Jim Palmer,later Eddie Murray, and of course, manager Earl Weaver. But there was only one “Frank”. Frank came “here”, in Baltimore in 1966. He was traded away after the Cincinnati Reds GM called him “an old 30.” Frank would use that comment to motivate him, empower him. “When I saw him double down the right field line on the first day of Spring Training, I told Dick Hall, “we just won the pennant with that guy.”. He wasn’t wrong. Robinson won the Triple Crown and led the Orioles to their first world championship that year. As a ball player Robinson had few peers. Mantle was the bigger name and more beloved. Clemente was more graceful and elegant. Musial a better hitter. Mays and Aaron were more complete players. But Frank Robinson was something that those others were not. He was a fierce warrior. Frank Robinson walked into that locker room and you could feel it. “Frank’s here”, yelled Paul Blair when Robinson came into the clubhouse. You knew who was in charge. You knew immediately who had command of that locker room. Frank was funny, sarcastic,acerbic, critical, uncensored, wise, and a true baseball sage. Earl Weaver, who confronted almost anyone, would never confront Frank. Weaver knew you don’t mess with a warrior. Frank Robinson’s statistics were among the greatest in baseball history , but mere numbers can’t define the leadership, authority, and influence this man had. No one else was Most Valuable player in both the National and American league. No one else was manager of the year in both leagues. Frank Robinson was the first black manager in major league baseball, and he homered in his first at bat as a player manager too. He was a lion of a man. A figure who led, influenced,empowered, and inspired his teammates to win. I remembered the game when he hit the longest home run at Memorial Stadium, the game where he hit TWO grand slams, the catch falling into the right field stands in New York. But no one moment defines Frank Robinson better than beating the tag at home plate in the winning run in game 6 of the 1971 World Series. It was a metaphor for the player he was. Frank Robinson was determined and aggressive and would not be denied. It was the last World Series Robinson would ever play in. Robinson played that game like he know he’d never have another chance. Frank Robinson was, like his predecessor who shared his last name, Jackie Robinson,strong willed, courageous, stubborn, and single minded. Like Jackie he broke down barriers, pushed convention, and demanded to be respected and heard. He didn’t just “come to play” he came to win. Talent was only part of it. Will was certainly most of it. There was a fire that burned within him and it spilled over onto the field… He brawled with Eddie Mathews on the field. He slid hard on the base paths, taking all he endured and suffered as a black man in baseball in the 50’s and early 60’s and exorcised his demons on the field of play. He challenged teammates. He insulted teammates. He made them laugh and he made them competitively angry. He was a critic, and advocate and activist for his teammates and the game of baseball to do better. He offended some…and uplifted many. Once, when he was Giants manager, he went to the mound and asked for the ball from the pitcher he was taking out of the game. The pitcher “flipped” it to him. Robinson grabbed the pitcher on the mound and said “don’t you EVER flip a ball to me again…or I’ll knock you on you ass right here on the mound in front of everyone.” Robinson demanded respect..and like Jackie, he didn’t much care if you liked him or not. You WOULD respect him. I can’t say Frank Robinson was an easy man. He led a hard life in his youth, never knew his father,lived in poverty…and shared injustice with his high school basketball teammates Bill Russell(yes, THE Bill Russell) Curt Flood, and Vada Pinson. When he came to Baltimore he couldn’t live in any white areas..but Brooks Robinson helped him find a home for Robinson’s family, and Frank never forgot Brooks’ kindness and help. When he lay dying Brooks called him and the two chatted with mutual respect and gratitude… Frank Robinson was a force on nature… He never stepped back. He never stepped away from a challenge. I saw his first at bat as an Oriole when he played in his first game in Spring Training. On the first pitch,he hit a ball over the clock at Miami Stadium about 500 feet away. The Orioles had arrived. “Frank was here”. His loss to baseball is profound. There were greater players..but not many. There weren’t many who had a greater impact on the game and his like will never be seen again. He was one of a kind. “Frank WAS…here”
  44. 1 point
    Trout has never won a playoff series. And has only been in the playoffs once. Lebron and Brady have won many championships. Ronaldo's team has won 4 of the last 5 champions league. All the guys from other sports you listed have charisma. Trout doesn't have that. Machado isnt a top 10 player in baseball.
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  46. 1 point
    Here is a quote from Luhnow that explains it pretty well. The rest of the interview is great as well. In short, they are translators of sorts. https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/organization/our-insights/how-the-houston-astros-are-winning-through-advanced-analytics "We decided that in the minor leagues, we would hire an extra coach at each level. The requirements for that coach were that he had to be able to hit a fungo, throw batting practice, and program in SQL. It’s a hard universe to find where those intersect, but we were able to find enough of them—players that had played in college that maybe played one year in the minors that had a technical background and could understand analytics. What ended up happening was, we had people at each level who were in uniform, who the players began to trust, who could sit with them at the computer after the game or before the game and show them the break charts of their pitches or their swing mechanics and really explain to them in a lot more detail why we’re asking you to raise your hand before you start swinging or why we’re asking you to change your position on the rubber or how you deliver the ball. Once we got someone in uniform to be part of the team, ride the buses with them, eat the meals with them, and stay in the motels they have in Single A, it began to build trust. They were real people, there to help them. That was great, and that transition period worked for about two years until the point where we realized that we no longer needed that, because our hitting coaches and our pitching coaches and our managers are now fully technology enabled. They can do the translation. And they’re actually real baseball people who have had careers in coaching and playing."
  47. 1 point
    Your best work yet, Roy. "Frank Robinson always had the severe comportment, the hard eye for enemies, the basic sense of right and wrong, of a pioneer. He walked into a room, and others stood up straighter, heads higher. Now, we bow our heads in respect." - Thomas Boswell, Feb. 7, 2019
  48. 1 point
  49. 1 point
    Sure, but it’s mostly about which the plane of the ball as opposed to ML pitching. Jennie Finch had no ML hitters take her up on her challenge to face her.
  50. 1 point
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