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Tony-OH last won the day on November 13 2017

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  1. Again, I don't think teams are going to drop his value because of what he did mostly at 19, but if he had that feather in his cap his value would be much more in my opinion. Basically he's a post season unknown. Of course his career .240/.296/.406/.702 slash line in 611 Sep/Oct PAs could be an indicator of a guy who either gets tired late in the year or who doesn't do well in pennant races (the Orioles have been in the mix in September for most of his career). If I'm giving a guy $300 million i want to make sure he's at his best when the lights are the brightest.
  2. Perhaps, but I think a legacy is more than putting up a numbers. A legacy is being known as one of the best for a team, usually a team you were drafted and developed by. It does bring up an interesting thought on what a legacy really is. Did Reggie Jackson leave a legacy with the Yankees for his Mr. October heroics? Despite those heroics, I doubt many Yankees fans would name to their top Yankees team. When I think legacy, I think of guys who when you name a team, you think of them. Obviously legacy Orioles would be Brooks, Palmer, Cal and Weaver. But some might argue that Frank Robinson and Eddie Murray left a legacy here as well. Now I'm partial to Eddie because he WAS the Orioles when I was growing up, but at the end of the day, the Orioles won only World Series during his time and he spent 8 season out of an Orioles uniform. So I guess I have to wonder can Machado still leave a legacy with another team? When I think about it, he does have time but it would probably have to be with a team without a long history of legacy players. In other words, could he become a legacy player with some team like the Diamondbacks or Rockies? Probably. But I doubt he would if he became a Red Sox, Yankee, or Dodger. It's an interesting thought. But I do know is the Orioles are the only team in which he could end up one of the greatest players ever. The Orioles are really the only team in which he has a chance to one day be considered for the team's "Mt Rushmore".
  3. That is your prerogative and I'm not saying it has a big effect due to the small sample size anyways, but what it does show is that Manny doesn't have a history of coming up big in big games like the playoffs. I don't think it means it hurts his value a ton, but I think if he had a record of being big in the playoffs it could help.
  4. First off this is a really good conversation with a lot of good points. Kudos to all involved. As Orioles fan, we watch Manny every day and we know how good a player he can be. We also know he's one of the best, if not best talent the Orioles have drafted and developed in their history. I believe that tends to have us over value where he falls in baseball among the other great players. On the plus side, Manny is one of the best defensive third baseman's of all-time in my opinion and that inflates his value over his very good, but not great offensive numbers. Since he had the last knee surgery, he's been very durable and has played in 156 or more games over the last three seasons. He's young at 25 years old next season and there's a good chance he's going to get better not worse over the next 3-5 seasons at the very least. Saying all that, if you look at things objectively, he might not be a top five 3B RIGHT NOW in the MLB. As many of you have discussed already there's a great amount of talent at the position. Now most rankings are an opinion based endeavor so that's why we see so much discrepancy on where Machado falls on the lists. I know I could build a case for him to be anywhere from 3-8 on the list, but coming off a down year it's not surprising to see him down on the lower end of that range by some people. Of course it's not a conspiracy or someone holding a grudge against him for whatever reason, it's just that the guy is coming off a year in which he put up a 3.5 rWAR that included a career worse (over a full season) 1.0 dWAR. Career wise, Machado only has a .329 OBP in 3365 PAs and his plate discipline has fallen off as he's tried to add those long home runs to his highlight films. It's well known he's not a guy that takes much coaching nor does he do a lot of extra work when things are going bad, so it's easy to see him starting to get a reputation as a guy who is satisfied with his numbers and might not fulfill his immense talent. Add in the fact that his playoffs numbers in 27 PAs (.174/.240/.348/.588) are not very good and it's not like he has a calling card of bringing his A game in big moments. Now small sample size for sure, but again, I think those things all have to be taken into consideration when talking the best in the game. Machado is a really good player and I'd love for him to spend his whole career in an Orioles uniform, but I think Machado is the guy that is more worried about making the most money he can versus wanting to leave behind a legacy. I could be wrong, but in the end, I think the Orioles need to trade him for as much as they can whether that's now or before the trade deadline (sometimes teams will overpay when they think they have a shot at a World Series).
  5. This is not how we communicate with each other here in this community. There's a better way to disagree.
  6. Mini Camp Thread

    One of the dumber things the Orioles have done in a while with a prospect. The guy will always have extreme command issues. He may get away with it for an inning or two or maybe even three, but why push him to be a starter when at best he's going to be a five inning pitcher due to pitch counts? Let him get back to being used as a true reliever (use on successive days and see how he recovers and if he can pitch effectively in that role. If he needs three or more days between to pitch effectively that will limit his roles and I just don't see him having the ability to get even moderately deep into games. Plus he doesn't have a real third pitch though he did flash the change last year.
  7. Mini Camp Thread

    I heard the ball comes out of the hand nice. It's not as educated as Cortes though.
  8. Orioles 2017 Top 30 Prospects

    From what I was told, The analytics department picked Perez without anyone checking about him from the player development or scouting side. It's one of the things that Duquette does and how they end up with so many players that people scratch their heads over when he trades away his international slot money.
  9. Orioles 2017 Top 30 Prospects

    You will get no argument from me that Perez should have been protected over Ripken. There has to be some off field things that led to this because even if you don't like Perez as a prospect, he seems to be a guy who can help your system.
  10. Britton Out 6 months per Rosenthal

    Just awful for everyone around. The Orioles wouldn't have any luck of they didn't have bad luck. Guess trading Britton for whatever they could have gotten at the deadline last year would have looked good now in hind site. As they always say, better to get rid of a guy a year early then a year late. Sucks for Zach as well. This has to hurt his value overall. Looks like we get another year of Brach blowing saves like it's his job. This really should be the final nail in competing next year. They must trade Machado now.
  11. Orioles 2017 Top 30 Prospects

    You are literally the only guy that like Perez. lol. Even his mother doesn't think he's a prospect. HAHA I'm just busting your balls a little. I never saw the guy but literally some of the comments I got was "Terrible" and "awful" when it came to his defense, and with no power and speed, his ability to get on base will be his only calling card and most think it won't work at higher levels. The best thing about this is either you are going to be very right and have a nice little story or he'll be that guy you will remember to not be fooled by in the future. By the way, I think there may have been some off field things as well. The Orioles literally protected Ryan Ripken over him so that says something.
  12. Orioles 2017 Top 30 Prospects

    Perhaps, I honestly don't know. He'll be an interesting guy to watch pitch this spring.
  13. Os requesting offers on Machado

    True statement. If the Orioles don't move Machado and he walks next year, it could set this franchise back at least five years.