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  1. spiritof66

    'GM' Candidates and when

    If you go back about eight posts, I have the Astros' 2011 chronology. Crane moved very quickly to get a President/GM team in place. Obviously the Orioles want to take enough time to make a thoughtful decision and be able to consider everyone who's worth considering, but the Angeloses have had plenty of time to ponder what to do if they weren't going to bring back Duquette. The Orioles should be further along in this process than they appear to be -- and maybe they are. (The real nightmare scenario is that this decision(s) has to be run by and approved by Peter Angelos, in which case we may not have a President, GM or manager until March.) What difference does it make? One or two people are going to come in from outside the organization. They have lots of pieces of that organization -- playing talent, minor league managing and coaching, amateur scouting, professional scouting, international scouting, analytics, strength and conditioning -- to look at closely and evaluate. It's acknowledged that they need to augment some of them. in addition, they need to consider and hire a manager. There are looming decisions about whether to cut loose Beckham, Joseph and a few others, and whether to bring in a shortstop. Trade opportunities will be coming soon -- will recommendations come from existing scouts or new ones? The new hires have to recommend to the Angeloses what things to spend on, and how much, and get their approval -- that process alone may take months. They have to get to know the abilities of hundreds of players and dozens of non-players, decide whom to keep and whom to shed, whom to hire, etc., etc., etc. Those decisions shouldn't be rushed, either, but they need to get started to get things on track for improving this mess of a baseball team.
  2. spiritof66

    'GM' Candidates and when

    That's been absolutely true at times in the past . . . but with a different definition of "the litter."
  3. spiritof66

    'GM' Candidates and when

    The circumstances of the Astros' bringing in guys for a rebuild were very different, but I would say that the Astros moved a whole lot faster than the Orioles are proceeding. The Cardinals won the 2011 World Series on October 28. Three weeks later, on November 18, 2011, MLB owners approved the sale of a controlling interest in the Astros from Drayton McLane to Jim Crane. The proposed sale had originally been agreed to back in May 2011, but there were doubts about the owners' approval and last minute-complications, resolved by a price reduction (partially made up by MLB) that Crane insisted on because of the move of the team to the AL West. About a week after the sale to Crane was approved, the new ownership named George Postolos (who had worked with Crane on the purchase) to come in from outside the organization as the Astros' President and CEO. About two weeks later two weeks (including Thanksgiving) later, at the winter meetings on December 7 or 8, 2011, the Astros announced the hire of Luhnow -- a v.p. with the Cardinals -- as GM. So Luhnow was hired less than three weeks after the new owners took over and five weeks after his team won the World Series. Like the Angeloses, Crane had time before the approval of his purchase of the club to think through, probably together with Postolos, who should be in charge of turning around the downtrodden Astros. Crane apparently used that time to consider candidates, acted decisively, and pretty much hit the ground running once he bought the team. I hope that John and Lou Angelos used the past few months in that way, but as far as I can tell they're still trying to figure out where the ground is.
  4. spiritof66

    Top President Candidates?

    The Angelos regime hasn't been good at too many things, but it has established a pretty good record of avoiding leaks about major deliberations and decisions like this. (The listless local media deserve some of the credit; I can't judge how much.) I'm finding it frustrating to watch on a couple-of-times-a-day basis as tiny droplets of information dribble out, amidst a sea of speculation and unconfirmed rumors, about what the process is, or whom the Angeloses are or might be interviewing or considering, or how many top executives they might be hiring, or what those executives' division of responsibilities might be, or who might be hired as manager or coaches. It sure seems like not much is happening. But who knows? Given the team's delicate position with MLB (an understatement, IMO), it may be that they're trying to play nice by keeping any announcements, or even disclosures or leaks about progress they're making, in check until after the World Series. So I'm going to try to avoid devoting any time thinking about or spilling any more electrons over this issue until after the World Series. If nothing happens a week or so after the likely showdown between two of the three highest payroll teams in MLB (the Giants edge the Dodgers for second according to most sources) concludes, I'll start worrying and will probably jump to the conclusion that John and Lou Angelos, while a distinct improvement over their father as operators of an MLB team, are a couple of decent guys who are in over their heads. Actually, I've already leapt to that conclusion and am just hoping they will prove me wrong.
  5. spiritof66

    Marlins Add Even More Mesa $

    Missed that one, but the rescheduled Brooks finale was something special.
  6. spiritof66

    Marlins Add Even More Mesa $

    2012 had the one-time-only statue dedications that, it turned out, celebrated both the team's past and its current resurgence. (And gave Roy some air time -- I guess that's a plus. )
  7. I don't have any doubt that Buck and his staff didn't make use of the data. It's also clear that the Orioles analytics department (or whatever it's called) under-resourced, in terms of the number of employees and perhaps in other ways as well. What I have no clue about is whether the current analytics people, and there appear to be three of them, https://www.mlb.com/orioles/team/front-office , are capable professionals who can be the core of a build-out, or have not performed well and should be replaced and a new department built from the ground up. Anybody? In either case, but especially the latter one, this is another important task for the yet-to-be-hired "GM" and another reason why that hiring decision should be made as soon as possible.
  8. spiritof66

    'GM' Candidates and when

    Thanks. The references to "rumors" and "whispers" about the Orioles leaving town don't mean much to me. And there's co consideration as to whether the MLB owners would permit the team to abandon Baltimore after 64 years -- I don't think that's the case. I think Rosenthal's comment is closer to the mark: "But baseball’s concern is the franchise’s current governance, not its long-term viability in Baltimore, sources say. Many within the sport regard the team as a sleeping giant." I take "baseball" there to mean MLB -- Mighty Manfred and his lieutenants -- and maybe a few owners or GMs. I don't know what those people really think about the viability of an AL East franchise in Baltimore if MLB adheres to its original arbitration decision screwing the Orioles, but I have no doubt they will tell anyone who wants to hear their views that the problem is with the owners -- both Peter Angelos's long-term incompetence and the short-term who's-in-charge-here? uncertainty. One issue that I hadn't though about until a few minutes ago is where a move by the Orioles would leave the MASN arrangement. When I get around to it, I'll take a look at the public portions of he MASN contract to see whether they say anything about the Orioles (or Nats) moving. At a minimum, resolving the MASN arrangement would be another hurdle to the Orioles leaving Baltimore.
  9. spiritof66

    'GM' Candidates and when

    Maybe I just missed it -- I miss a lot -- but I haven't seen any suggestion, other than from posters on this board, that the Orioles might move in, say, the next 10 to 15 years. Can somebody direct me to some of that stuff? I have no inside information, but I have followed the Tampa and Oakland situations pretty closely and havev tried to note the few comments from within MLB about future expansion. It's inconceivable to me that the MLB owners would permit the Orioles or any other team to move until both TB and Oakland get new stadia or one of them gives up trying and settles on a new city -- unless the move is to a city that Tampa Bay and Oakland have decided they're not interested in. It's clear to me that, once those two franchises have decided whether to stay (with new ballparks) or move, MLB will start the process of auctioning off two expansion franchises. I don't believe the owners would agree to a move by a team (other than TB or Oakland) that takes a potentially desirable location off the board for expansion since such a move would be seen as taking money out of the existing teams' pockets by reducing the price to be paid for an expansion franchise. This is more speculative, but I don't believe the owners would ever approve an Angelos-owned team's request to move from Baltimore. Again I'm just extrapolating from the limited facts that I know, but I expect that MLB and the other owners would regard such a request as an admission by the Angeloses that they are not competent to operate a team that's competitive and that they would deny such a request in the hope it would induce a sale of the team to a potentially competent operator.
  10. spiritof66

    Top President Candidates?

    The challenge of rebuilding the Orioles may deter some candidates, but I don't think that's so bad. The real problem, IMO, is convincing those who are eager to take on that challenge to believe that the Angeloses mean it when they say the new President/GM/whatever will have autonomy in the areas of baseball operations (including hiring and firing decisions) and to trust that the Angeloses won't change their mind if and when they own the team and can do whatever they want with it. I'm not sure how they can pull that off.
  11. spiritof66

    Marlins Add Even More Mesa $

    Maybe he'l get the message if he's assigned jersey #51 with whatever teams he's assigned to. . . . Lew Ford's old number.
  12. That's true, but I already know that I don't want anyone whose last name starts with an "A" anywhere near player personnel decisions, so it doesn't matter whether any of them should be blamed by throwing away money (and starts) on Tillman. Not that I would ever really know anyway.
  13. I agree. Who was responsible for dumb stuff like the Tillman signing may have mattered when there were decisions to be made (and criticized or applauded) about retaining Duquette or Buck. What Brady or any Angelos did to close this deal doesn't affect my opinion of what their roles should be going forward.
  14. spiritof66

    Marlins Add Even More Mesa $

    I can't explain the Phillies deal, either, but I don't understand that it was done as a favor to make up for the Jones trade,. Everyone knew that Adam had the right to refuse to be traded, so I don't understand how his decision to exercise that right created any expectation that the Orioles owed the Phillies a favor. Just doesn't make sense to me.
  15. spiritof66

    Top President Candidates?

    That's all true. I have seen a number of similar firms (in New York), probably a little smaller and far less prominent in NY than the Angelos firm is in MD, fall apart pretty quickly when a heavy hitter dies or leaves. And those firms appeared to have taken some steps to prepare for the future that Peter Angelos appears not to have taken. There is a lot for the partners to fight over, but not much to hold them together. The details don't have much of an effect on anything Oriole-related. It's virtually certain that over the long haul neither Angelos son is going to be like Peter Angelos (or Edward Bennett Williams), spending significant time running a law firm and earning substantial profits from that firm.
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