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  1. Watched two great balls to hit for strikes 2 and 3. Bat never left shoulder. Come on.
  2. Interesting article on the struggles of Davis so far. Some curious numbers there too for those so inclined. 🙂 https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chris-davis-has-summited-the-everest-of-hitting-slumps/
  3. Why? It's not like Manny was playing 3rd base last year anyhow. I miss the 3rd base Manny. The shortstop Manny, not so much.
  4. Pulling him was a poor decision. He was pitching strong. Let him continue.
  5. I know this isn't a game thread, but this has been a very entertaining game to watch for this Orioles fan. Those of you whining and complaining and not watching due to the lineup have missed a good one. Aggressive on the bases, timely hitting and some fine defensive plays. Great Saturday afternoon fun.
  6. I'm strangely more excited for this year than I was last year. I'm excited to hopefully see the dark ages put behind us (Peter's influence, no international presence, etc etc, analytics not used, no uniformity between various levels of team), and quite frankly I'd soured on Buck, so I'm glad to see the change there. Obviously we have some issues still with Davis on the roster, but with Trumbo on the DL the lineup is so vastly different. Will we be bad? For sure. Will it sometimes be 'boring', probably. But I'm excited to see some new faces, and hopefully seeing a...fire that didn't seem to often be there last year, and maybe wasn't really there even before last year. And to clarify, I liked Buck and am glad he was here and helped to make us respectable again. But some of his managerial decisions were really poor (playoffs with Britton as an obvious example) and other times he was way to stubborn with his 'stars' and put the team in bad positions because of it (keeping starters in the game too long, continuing to bat Davis is the middle of the lineup, batting Davis at all, etc etc). I'm very curious to see the new managing style.
  7. It will NEVER happen, but I would like to see actual production tied to actual pay. Almost like a commission based. All players make a base of X a year, then after that you get paid on results. I hate seeing players like Chris Davis making insane money while not producing anything, while younger players who are putting up huge numbers are making league minimum. I realize that such a system will never be put into place, and I'm not smart enough to know exactly how it could be worked out or what numbers could be used (tie it to wins for pitchers and watch the Hangout burn to the ground 😉 ), but I'm sure folks much smarter than me could come up with some fairly equitable system where for each quarter point of war, for example, granted an extra couple million dollars to your pay. We can argue the numbers and the system, but something like that is what I'd REALLY like to see. Players get paid on performance...if you are good you get paid good. If you are average, you get paid average. And if you are bad you make the minimum. Teams pay for what is actually produced, and players are compensated on their actual work. Not on 'maybes' 'hopes' or past performance.
  8. My 2 cents on why fans tend to side with the owners, or perhaps more accurately against the players. 1) Fans are often irrational, myself included. The players view it as a business, while we view it as a game. We want the players to love the game, and the team, as much as we do. When we see the players fighting about money, it brings back the reality that it's a job for most of these players, and that doesn't jive with how we think the game should be viewed. 2) We see and cheer for the players. How many of us can name all the owners? Outside a few teams I could not tell you the owner of many of the teams. They are a faceless man in a suit...hard to get too emotional against them. But the players? We know them, we see their faces, have watched them play. Again, going off #1 above still a bit, we put our hopes and dreams upon their shoulders and seeing them fighting about money just leaves a bad taste in our mouth. 3) As you noted, we ALL know the kind of money the players made. We really don't know how much owners are making. Sure, we can look at percentages the players get, but we also know the owners have many other expenses that come out of their piece of the pie. I have no clue how much Angelos made per year on the Orioles. But I can quickly tell you how much Chris Davis is making. It's not fair, but it's reality. And I don't know how much opening the books would really help. A player gets 25 million a year, the average person thinks about getting 25 million a year and just what all they could do with that money. When we see that a business makes 100 million a year, often we realize that much of that 100 million is going to go into debt, employee salaries, facility upkeep, factory upgrades, etc. It's just a different dynamic and makes it hard for the average joe to see it as an apples to apples comparison, personal income versus business income. 4) At the end of the day, I think none of us really want to see the sausage being made, we just want to enjoy the end product. When the millionaire players fight the billionaire owners to make more money to play a game, it just isn't a process that most fans want to see. Players are usually the ones who are complaining about the money, and because of that they end up taking the 'blame' for work stoppages/strikes/etc. May not be fair, and may not be accurate, but that tends to be the case. 5) Finally, many 'fans' don't realize how hard most of these guys really work. We see them playing a game, and making more money in one at bat than we make in a year. And we are working hard in our factories, mines, farms, law firms, hospitals, schools, etc...while they are playing a 'game' and making ridiculous money. Fair or not, it's just hard to drum up sympathy for someone complaining they aren't making enough money to play a kids game. Again, many of the above is not rational. But fans are often not rational, and placing blame on labor disputes is no different.
  9. Beats me, he didn't say. But he made it fairly clear that even though we had the money to spend we weren't going to go as high as other teams as the value wasn't there.
  10. Duquette today on XM certainly sounded confident that the Os are in on this guy and that we are in the drivers seat to land him.
  11. Sorry if already posted, but Jim Duquette this morning on Power Alley had an interesting conversation about the Orioles and international market. According to him when signing players for less that $25k they could sign them without approval from ownership. But once it hit $25k, ownership had to approve and that approval was extremely difficult to get. He joked about the number of players they signed for $24,999.99 because once it hit that next dollar it probably wasn't going to be approved. I know Duquette gets a bad rep on this board, somewhat deserved in my opinion, but in many ways I think he was working with one, and sometimes both, hand tied behind his back. He also said we weren't as high on the Mesa brothers, and that's why we didn't really get in that pursuit even though we had the funds to do so. Was mainly talking about this Cuban guy and they both seem to think the Orioles will be in on him and probably sign him. Interesting discussion I thought.
  12. While none of us 'know' exactly what's going on in the mind of Manny, from his past actions, comments and behavior, I also certainly think it's all about money. Not to say that it should or shouldn't be all about money for him, but at the end of the day I think for 90-95% of the athletes today it IS all about the money. Sure there are the random exceptions such as the recent Nick M. signing with Atlanta, but overall it's about the biggest paycheck, and I certainly think Manny fits that mold. Things like better prospects and the like will only really come into play when he is proverbally splitting hairs, and trying to decide between similar offers. Otherwise money will rule the day.
  13. Glad to see this change. Now get rid of Brady too, take the leash off of Dan, and we can start moving forward
  14. I really don't want Jones on the team next year, not really at any price. I'd rather them either 1) play one of the youngsters already in our system who may be a part of a future winning Orioles team again or 2) sign a stopgap OR a younger free agent who could possibly be a part of the team for a few years if needed. But I don't want that guy to be Jones. I want to wash my hands of as many players as we can from the past 2 years, and start as fresh as we can. It won't be the worse thing in the world if we sign him, but it'd honestly make me less likely to watch more games next year than if we've got a new face out there. I don't want to see Jones in an Orioles uniform again after this season ends, except maybe a one day contract to finalize his retirement or something. Just my opinion.
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