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CheeryO last won the day on January 18 2017

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  1. I thought GIvens was our best trade chip -- until he melted down tonight. But I don't think any of these Orioles are bringing back any significant trades to get excited about. Cashner likely will be traded regardless because he is relatively expensive, which means the Orioles won't get back much for him, even though he's throwing pretty well.
  2. I think it's getting clearer this team is worse than last year's, pretty much across the board but especially the bullpen. The first month of the season made us wonder and maybe believe a little, but reality is sinking in. The question now, apart from who can be traded and for what, is when can we start replacing our bullpen with more promising minor leaguers? Will any be ready soon? Even if they are should we wait until later in the year to try any out?
  3. First of all, the years Tillman was good he was certainly better than average. His achilles heel was he threw too many pitches to get the job done, but he had three seasons where he had a WAR of better than 2.5 and two seasons where he had a WAR above 3.5. Second, as another poster already mentioned, Tillman discovered and developed the pitch that put him over the top while in Baltimore with the help of Baltimore coaches. So he did develop while in Baltimore. I'm no expert but my feeling is that it's not a failure to develop pitching being the big problem with the O's; but the failure to go get good young pitchers in general -- be it through the draft, through trades or in the international market. Tillman was one of the good ones they did get through a trade, Wei Yin Chen was one of the very rare good ones they got on the international market, while Arrieta is the best example of a Baltimore draftee who "developed" very well -- just after he left Baltimore.
  4. I think David Hernandez was the other guy that some considered to be part of the "cavalry". He's not remembered as much because he worked mainly out of the bullpen and got traded. He's been a pretty decent if not great reliever since.
  5. Agreed, my point was more that maybe they didn't want to empower or spend big on things outside of the draft last year until they replaced both Duquette and Showalter. If they don't empower Elias to spend on international players (among other things) this year, then it will be time to get suspicious. On the other hand, the other thing that is always lurking over the shoulder of the Angelos family is the situation with MASN. If atomic is right that they will continue to be cheap all over the place, legal tie ups with MASN could be their excuse, whether it's legitimate or not. You also have to wonder that if the Angelos' keep butting heads with MLB and the Nationals over the MASN issue they'll come under strong pressure to sell the team.
  6. Well said, and I agree with you; but it looks like others on these boards are not convinced John and Lou have the will to spend money and turn things around. I think we'll know a lot more after the draft and after signings start to happen.
  7. They may have decided not to spend real money until they had a new GM in place for awhile with a vision and a plan. If they pinch pennies from this year's draft going forward then it could be time to really question and blame. It couldn't have been easy not only to take over from their father but completely change direction too.
  8. Having a dry sense of humor on a message board --- with people you don't know -- is difficult. Jonathan Swift didn't need emoticons not just because he was Jonathan Swift, but because he wasn't texting and posting his modest proposals across the internet of things.
  9. Thanks for pointing that out. And Cobb's contract is nearly as big a bust as Davis'. Such a shame how a team that was more or less thrifty on the free agent market for so long only started to spend wildly out of a sense of desperation.
  10. Yes, I agree. Even if Davis had an OPS close to .900 -- which would somewhat miraculous -- he would still be difficult to move because of that contract; and because other teams would consider it a fluke, or suspicious of the performance. Dumping Davis' a large chunk of his salary is almost impossible. Other teams will always think about all the strikeouts and 0 fors. Nobody wants an aging Adam Dunn / Dave Kingman type player. But as long as the O's are bad they can move him to 3rd base or DH if they want to open a spot for Mountcastle at 1B. Davis, along with Mancini, can play some outfield too. Now the O's are so bad that even if Davis starts hitting like Cody Bellinger they'll still be bad. At this point it's probably better to move Davis around the field than move him off the team.
  11. Isn't total O's payroll around $50 mil this year? Not like his one terrible contract a really holding the team back from rebuilding with a payroll that low. Not like the Orioles need to dump Davis in a trade if it hurts the return in players coming back.
  12. That was the mistake they made trading Gausman. Including an underperformer or overpaid player with Trey or any other good player would negate the return.
  13. Trade him for more than they got for Gausman.
  14. Good point, but 90 wasn't enough. They need to be convinced who they are trading for is can help them get to 93, 95 or 100 wins. It's unlikely a guy like Trey could do that on his own but he could be part of the difference. And TB is just one example, of course. If not there somewhere else.
  15. Trey probably won't bring back a top 50 prospect, but there's point in acting like the O's should trade him for just anyone they can get for him.
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