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I think some posters are looking at Lough as our new leftfielder, as compared to... say... Choo. Which would seem pretty disappointing.

As compared to McLouth though, wow, nice improvement.

I know I'm a big Nate homer, but I don't think that's the case. They're probably similar hitters (edge McLouth, especially given his MLB track record); McLouth adds more on the basepaths (though Lough seems OK there). To see Lough as a "wow" improvement you have to put a lot of faith in advanced defensive metrics based on 1/2 season of play. Since it takes them two-three full years to become reliable, and even then there are questions, I think that's a bold statement to make.

On the other hand, Lough is younger, under team control, and far cheaper. All of which matter, quite a bit. I'm not unhappy with Lough instead of McLouth. But I'm not expecting the switch, by itself, to make the 2014 Orioles better than the 2013 Orioles, and I think if you are, you have to really believe in 400 games (835 innings) of UZR/DRS.

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I know I'm a big Nate homer, but I don't think that's the case. They're probably similar hitters (edge McLouth, especially given his MLB track record); McLouth adds more on the basepaths (though Lough seems OK there). To see Lough as a "wow" improvement you have to put a lot of faith in advanced defensive metrics based on 1/2 season of play. Since it takes them two-three full years to become reliable, and even then there are questions, I think that's a bold statement to make.

On the other hand, Lough is younger, under team control, and far cheaper. All of which matter, quite a bit. I'm not unhappy with Lough instead of McLouth. But I'm not expecting the switch, by itself, to make the 2014 Orioles better than the 2013 Orioles, and I think if you are, you have to really believe in 400 games (835 innings) of UZR/DRS.

McLouth is probably a better player, although narrowly. His second half collapse was worrisome. At the price/years of control, and considering the limited platoon splits, I think Lough is a more appealing asset to have.

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My initial take is that Lough is a nice pick up, especially if he is treated as a 4th OF and not a starter. Love the defense, but I'm worried about OBP. Valencia was a nice bat off the bench, something which we really needed (maybe still need).

It scares me to death that we are all but anointing Almanzar to the 25-man roster now. It'll be hard to hid him for a full year and not hurt the team, plus it makes our bench weaker by keeping him. Must we keep a rule 5 guy three straight years?

I think this all but confirms Urrutia starting in Norfolk, which is fine. That still leaves six more OFs (Markakis, Jones, Reimold, Pearce, Lough, and Peguero). Peguero is in trouble...remember he has NO OPTIONS remaining. What do you do with him?

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My initial take is that Lough is a nice pick up, especially if he is treated as a 4th OF and not a starter. Love the defense, but I'm worried about OBP. Valencia was a nice bat off the bench, something which we really needed (maybe still need).

It scares me to death that we are all but anointing Almanzar to the 25-man roster now. It'll be hard to hid him for a full year and not hurt the team, plus it makes our bench weaker by keeping him. Must we keep a rule 5 guy three straight years?

I think this all but confirms Urrutia starting in Norfolk, which is fine. That still leaves six more OFs (Markakis, Jones, Reimold, Pearce, Lough, and Peguero). Peguero is in trouble...remember he has NO OPTIONS remaining. What do you do with him?

Right now Lough is the starting LF and Peguero is the 4th OF. Right now the bench is Clevenger, Weeks, Peguero, and Almanzar (sure looks like they are serious about keeping him). Lough, Jones, and Markakis in the outfield. Reimold and Pearce battling it out for the DH, with the loser possibly taking Almanzar's spot on the bench if he looks awful this spring. The question is, are the Orioles going to sign a DH or another LH bat?

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My initial take is that Lough is a nice pick up, especially if he is treated as a 4th OF and not a starter. Love the defense, but I'm worried about OBP. Valencia was a nice bat off the bench, something which we really needed (maybe still need).

It scares me to death that we are all but anointing Almanzar to the 25-man roster now. It'll be hard to hid him for a full year and not hurt the team, plus it makes our bench weaker by keeping him. Must we keep a rule 5 guy three straight years?

I think this all but confirms Urrutia starting in Norfolk, which is fine. That still leaves six more OFs (Markakis, Jones, Reimold, Pearce, Lough, and Peguero). Peguero is in trouble...remember he has NO OPTIONS remaining. What do you do with him?

It might be possible to sneak Peguero down to AAA at the end of spring training. Of course, depending on how he does in ST. Also, Reimold is a decent bet to be injured.

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I think some posters are looking at Lough as our new leftfielder, as compared to... say... Choo. Which would seem pretty disappointing.

As compared to McLouth though, wow, nice improvement.

I think it's much too early to declare him a "nice improvement" over McLouth- he hasn't even played a full season yet and he seems to have some plate discipline issues that are a bit worrisome(10 BBs in 400 MLB PAs and pedestrian minor league walk numbers).

Where you see a problem with the 6 OFers, I think DD sees options. Remember, we don't just need a LF - now presumably filled by Lough, we may need a RF pretty quickly. I hope this organization does not give Nick even 200 ABs if he is going to stink up the joint again. At some point near when the rosters are set, I do expect DD to move Peguero through waivers.

I am comfortable with the lineup with Lough. There are question marks (Machado healthy, 2B and Davis repeating, Lough), but there is upside (Wieters and Markakis rebounding).

I am comfortable with where the team is right now.

Hopefully, DD puts some cash to work for either a good SP option at anywhere from the 2-4 or a more established OF bat. I am not as on board as everyone else with pursuing Garza to a large multi-year contract based on recent WAR numbers.

Where you see options, I see lateral moves. And improvement is what is needed.

And I don't necessarily have a problem with carrying 6 OFs; I just wish at least 3 of them were proven, quality, everyday players.

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I think it's much too early to declare him a "nice improvement" over McLouth- he hasn't even played a full season yet and he seems to have some plate discipline issues that are a bit worrisome(10 BBs in 400 MLB PAs and pedestrian minor league walk numbers).

Looking at the two players in a vacuum. McLouth will be 32 next season and Lough 28. While McLouth is not a liability in the field, he's below average overall - Lough is a plus defender at all 3 outfield positions. McLouth is definitely the better offensive player of the two, but only slightly. He's also very nearly a platoon player himself, batting .209/.283/.357 against LHP in 2013. I'd bet on Lough's defense to make him a difference maker in our outfield.

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Looking at the two players in a vacuum. McLouth will be 32 next season and Lough 28. While McLouth is not a liability in the field, he's below average overall - Lough is a plus defender at all 3 outfield positions. McLouth is definitely the better offensive player of the two, but only slightly. He's also very nearly a platoon player himself, batting .209/.283/.357 against LHP in 2013. I'd bet on Lough's defense to make him a difference maker in our outfield.

My concern with his plate discipline is how he handles it once pitchers make adjustments against him. Can he keep up? We may have started to get an answer already- in an almost equal amount of PAs last year, he OPS'd .757 in the first half but only .685 in the second half.

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If you were a real hipster, you'd be down with Nickleback since it'd go against the grain and be the ironic thing to do.

The more I read about this guy, the more excited I get. Cheaper, younger version of McClouth.

I don't think anyone would accuse me of being a hipster. :) But I like Nickleback. A good bit. They rock the house sometimes!

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Looks like the O's traded a 29 yr old RH DH for a 28 year old 4th OFers. That is not a bad trade. Its a re-alignment.

Lough can really go get the ball. That's good. Peguero is also a plus fielder. The two of them can fight over at bats in left. Lough hits for average but has not yet been able to put a good OBP in the majors. That probably makes him hitting 9th. Peguero projects to hit ninth also. Peguero in 25 which means he has more time to develop than Lough. Both are out for options.

Reimold will probably have a tough time keeping up with these two defensively. If Reimold is healthy he can hit. Probably more of a DH. But the O's can't count of him be healthy so its likely that they add another DH this off season. Pearce, Monell and Almanez are also DH types although none of them are a sure thing.

By filling LF with Lough and Peguero the O's have gone cheap at the LF position which will allow them to spend for a 5th starter.

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McLouth is probably a better player, although narrowly. His second half collapse was worrisome. At the price/years of control, and considering the limited platoon splits, I think Lough is a more appealing asset to have.

Agreed -- if you spend the money saved to improve the team elsewhere.

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He killed this ball.

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I think this is a fantastic move. I don't really see the arguments against it. Valencia is a nice player, but as others have pointed out his skill set is really rather limited. I am shocked KC dealt Lough for him.

Can we please, please sign a serviceable starting pitcher now?

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I remember Lough very well from that July series in KC last summer. I had never heard of him but he stood out as a high-energy player. Love the glove, especially. I felt that McLouth was ordinary at best out in LF last year. But like others, I still think we need some real pop at DH. I don't think Morales is worth a draft pick.

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