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1 minute ago, LookinUp said:

What's the rush? I'd let my non-prospects eat innings in the majors this year and let Lowther show he can perform at AAA first.

My guess is he'll get a AAA chance in the next month-ish. Could get a cup of coffee in September, but likely not for a ton of innings after a long MiL season. 

But what specifically is he going to learn by staying in the minors?  

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3 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

But what specifically is he going to learn by staying in the minors?  

Every level is hard and he's a guy without overwhelming stuff. Will the fastball still miss so many bats? Will his secondaries and/or location need to improve? Pitch sequencing? You don't know until you go up a level. He'll learn a lot about himself and we'll learn about him too. That's part of making sure he's actually ready for the majors, not just a kid who looks like he could probably handle it while dominating AA.

 

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10 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

But what specifically is he going to learn by staying in the minors?  

How to get hitters out? I'm very confused by your insistence on this issue. We have had players dominate at Bowie for years that didn't produce when they reached the majors. The idea that we should throw him up against major league hitters because... why not?... doesn't seem like much of an argument. 

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19 minutes ago, WalkWithElias said:

How to get hitters out? I'm very confused by your insistence on this issue. We have had players dominate at Bowie for years that didn't produce when they reached the majors. The idea that we should throw him up against major league hitters because... why not?... doesn't seem like much of an argument. 

I'm asking about him in particular because he doesn't have great stuff and does know how to pitch to minor leaguers, and I'd really like to know what... SPECIFICALLY... he's going to learn by staying in the minors.  If he gets promoted to AAA, is working against AAA and AAAA type players really going to help him learn to get major leaguers out?  

Does it really bother people (even a WWE fan) that I ask these questions?

 

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1 hour ago, Ruzious said:

I'm asking about him in particular because he doesn't have great stuff and does know how to pitch to minor leaguers, and I'd really like to know what... SPECIFICALLY... he's going to learn by staying in the minors.  If he gets promoted to AAA, is working against AAA and AAAA type players really going to help him learn to get major leaguers out?  

Does it really bother people (even a WWE fan) that I ask these questions?

 

Lowther struggled in his last outing.    He’s not on the 40-man roster and doesn’t need to be until after next season.   I’m fine with promoting him to Norfolk but wouldn’t dream of having him skip that level and go to the majors.   

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Lowther threw 5 shutout innings, allowing only 1 hit but walking 4, but striking out 7.    His ERA is back down to 1.96.    

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On 6/10/2019 at 1:05 PM, Ruzious said:

I'm asking about him in particular because he doesn't have great stuff and does know how to pitch to minor leaguers, and I'd really like to know what... SPECIFICALLY... he's going to learn by staying in the minors.  If he gets promoted to AAA, is working against AAA and AAAA type players really going to help him learn to get major leaguers out?  

Does it really bother people (even a WWE fan) that I ask these questions?

 

He may be able to go to Baltimore and be fine, but more than likely he needs time in AAA as part of the natural progression for pitchers. There is no reason to take a chance that rushing him could hurt his development.

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On 6/14/2019 at 11:41 PM, orioles22 said:

He may be able to go to Baltimore and be fine, but more than likely he needs time in AAA as part of the natural progression for pitchers. There is no reason to take a chance that rushing him could hurt his development.

But why do you assume that having play in the majors now would hurt his development?

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2 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

But why do you assume that having play in the majors now would hurt his development?

I can't answer for orioles22, but I don't assume it'll "hurt" his development. I just assume there are additional developmental steps to take at AAA, particularly for a guy who can't get away with as many mistakes in the majors as the elite arms.

I don't understand the rush to skip AAA at all, particularly in this rebuild. The whole point is to build all of our the guys the best we can so we have more confidence that every player who graduates to the majors is more or less ready. The old way of doing things was to say that AA success was the barometer and that AAA meant nothing. I like this way better. It just takes a while to build your entire organization up to that standard. It essentially adds another year to many players' development.

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On 6/10/2019 at 2:51 PM, Frobby said:

Lowther struggled in his last outing.    He’s not on the 40-man roster and doesn’t need to be until after next season.   I’m fine with promoting him to Norfolk but wouldn’t dream of having him skip that level and go to the majors.   

There's no point in rushing any of these guys.  I do think that with pitchers though that there are only "so many bullets in the arm".  Not having to be on the 40 man spot this offseason is huge.  I say let him get his feet wet in AAA at the end of the year.  Give him some ST starts in MLB camp and have him debut sometime around next season's ASB or September.  

No point in rushing any of these guys.  

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1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

I can't answer for orioles22, but I don't assume it'll "hurt" his development. I just assume there are additional developmental steps to take at AAA, particularly for a guy who can't get away with as many mistakes in the majors as the elite arms.

I don't understand the rush to skip AAA at all, particularly in this rebuild. The whole point is to build all of our the guys the best we can so we have more confidence that every player who graduates to the majors is more or less ready. The old way of doing things was to say that AA success was the barometer and that AAA meant nothing. I like this way better. It just takes a while to build your entire organization up to that standard. It essentially adds another year to many players' development.

I would agree with you about a typical wet behind the ears prospect, but I'm talking about Lowther.  Lowther seems to be an exceptionally bright pitcher who knows how to pitch.  In AAA, he would be learning to get AAA batters out.  AAA is loaded with older organizational type players who aren't good enough for the majors.  What works on them won't work on quality major leagues.  He needs to learn how to get major leaguers out, and I think the best - and perhaps only - way to do that is to face them.  At some point, ya gotta go through the trials of being a rookie, and I don't see the point in waiting in his case.  You guys call that rushing him; I disagree - fwiw.           

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18 hours ago, Ruzious said:

I would agree with you about a typical wet behind the ears prospect, but I'm talking about Lowther.  Lowther seems to be an exceptionally bright pitcher who knows how to pitch.  In AAA, he would be learning to get AAA batters out.  AAA is loaded with older organizational type players who aren't good enough for the majors.  What works on them won't work on quality major leagues.  He needs to learn how to get major leaguers out, and I think the best - and perhaps only - way to do that is to face them.  At some point, ya gotta go through the trials of being a rookie, and I don't see the point in waiting in his case.  You guys call that rushing him; I disagree - fwiw.           

We fundamentally disagree about the nature of AAA hitters.    Most of them would crush AA pitching if they faced it.    They got to AAA because they’d mastered AA.    I’d rather have our pitchers learn to get those guys out before they take the next step and have to try getting major leaguers out.    

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

We fundamentally disagree about the nature of AAA hitters.    Most of them would crush AA pitching if they faced it.    They got to AAA because they’d mastered AA.    I’d rather have our pitchers learn to get those guys out before they take the next step and have to try getting major leaguers out.    

I don't disagree with you - in general.  That's why I made a point of distinguishing between Lowther and the typical AA player and opened up by saying "I would agree with you about a typical wet behind the ears prospect, but I'm talking about Lowther."  I think you make a mistake by assuming each prospect should be developed the same way with the same preconceived notions.      

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I'd guess that someone thought every pitcher rushed through the minors, only to get bombed in the majors before starting a shuttle back and forth, was different than the normal pitcher.

There's just no point in rushing anyone, especially if you are the Orioles. Let him go to AAA and dominate and then there would be no question that the Orioles did all they should do get him ready.

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3 hours ago, Frobby said:

We fundamentally disagree about the nature of AAA hitters.    Most of them would crush AA pitching if they faced it.    They got to AAA because they’d mastered AA.    I’d rather have our pitchers learn to get those guys out before they take the next step and have to try getting major leaguers out.    

I disagree that "most" would "crush".  We also know that numerous factors go into promotions and it all isn't result based.

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