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What's the most you'd offer any of Hardy, Jimenez, Miley, or Tillman to return?

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3 minutes ago, SteveO said:

Jeff Samardzija comes to mind as a pretty good example

Nope Older. Still pitching decently. Pretty far from "done" by the looks of it.

 

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Shelby Miller.

In short....its how prospects get the chance to be more than prospects. Every year formerly good or respectable pitchers fall off the map. Some come back and rebound, some don't. Tillman could be either or

As you point out though. It happens all the time.

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Kazmir work for you?  

Again, older. 

Can we maybe try to actually look at their pages before randomly throwing names out there off the top of our head?

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Just now, TradeAngelos said:

Nope Older. Still pitching decently. Pretty far from "done" by the looks of it.

 

Dude has a 4.75 ERA in the National League. I would hardly call that still pitching decently

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Just now, SteveO said:

Dude has a 4.75 ERA in the National League. I would hardly call that still pitching decently

He is still pitching in the majors, at 32 years old correct? How bad was he last year at 31?

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2 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Again, older. 

Can we maybe try to actually look at their pages before randomly throwing names out there off the top of our head?

So you want an exact match?  :rolleyes:

 

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1 minute ago, TradeAngelos said:

He is still pitching in the majors, at 32 years old correct? How bad was he last year at 31?

3.81 in 2016 with SF (not horrifying but not decent in the NL)

4.96 in 2015 with the CWS

In 2014 he was good. Its not a perfect comparison but its not out of this world off base either IMO

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Tillman in the 4 years preceding this season.

3.91 ERA (in AL east), 758 IP, 56-30 128 starts

It really shouldn't be that hard to find a good comp since it happens "all the time" now should it.

I'll wait,

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I have no interest in bringing back Miley or Jimenez.  The best part of their contracts is that they are leaving. 

I would offer Tillman a 1 year/$3 mill contract w/ incentives and an option year.  If he bounces back it would be a cheap way to fill out the rotation.  I would offer Hardy a minor league contract.  $1 mill + incentives if he makes the majors.

 

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4 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Tillman in the 4 years preceding this season.

3.91 ERA (in AL east), 758 IP, 56-30 128 starts

It really shouldn't be that hard to find a good comp since it happens "all the time" now should it.

I'll wait,

And you will keep waiting.  I'm not going to be bothered to make an exact match for your pleasure. 

I never thought I'd see the day that someone is acting as if they were upset because the guys that are declining are younger than the player they are being comped to.

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1 hour ago, TradeAngelos said:

Tillman in the 4 years preceding this season.

3.91 ERA (in AL east), 758 IP, 56-30 128 starts

It really shouldn't be that hard to find a good comp since it happens "all the time" now should it.

I'll wait,

Ok....Barry Zito was the same age as Tillman when his career went off the cliff. Zito also had a much better track record of success. 

If SF did not owe him a ton of money he would never have pitched as long as he did.

Anyone who watches baseball knows that some players age gracefully and others just fall off the proverbial cliff. One day they are a decent player then 2 years later they are that guy that people say....Hey whatever happened to (insert name). Some guys owed a ton of money cling on longer (Zito, Cliff Lee etc)

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2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I could be convinced on a one year deal.

I want no part of a multi-year deal unless all the years after year one are team options.

I don't think anyone in his/her right mind would offer Tillman a multiyear deal.    I could imagine a vesting option that kicks in if he throws 160 IP or something like that.    

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14 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

If the doctors cleared him.

If he says he's healthy.

If his velocity is there.

If he doesn't look like he's favoring anything.

Why should we assume he isn't healthy just because he isn't having any success?

Now could there be a mechanical flaw present that is the result of him having pitched hurt last year?  I suppose it's possible.

But I see no reason to just assume a player is injured due to poor results.

You have years of data showing he is not this pitcher.  Regression like we have seen doesn't happen overnight without some type of injury. 

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