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14 hours ago, TonySoprano said:

Delmarva 1G, 3.1 IP, 2 ER, 4H, 1BB
Aberdeen 1G, 2.0 IP, 3 ER, 2H, 2 BB
Frederick 1G, 6.1 IP, 4 ER, 5H, 3 BB,1 HBP
Norfolk 2G, 9.2 IP, 9 ER, 17H, 5BB, 1 HBP

5G, 21.1 IP, 18 ER, 28H, 11BB, 2 HBP,  ERA 7.59, WHIP 1.92

But he's "consistent with his velocity."

I attended Chris' start on June 30 in Norfolk.  The numbers above don't belie his struggles.  First two innings were fine.  Really labored in the 3rd and 4th (pitching change in the 4th).  Many ABs went deep in the count.  

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13 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I doubt real Orioles fans will forget about him in ten years. He did have some good years during some years of winning and people will remember that. He also came over in the Bedard trade and will be remembered for being one of the core of players during the winning years, even if his pitching was inconsistent career wise.

Saying that, what I meant by legacy is what the guy will be remembered for. Does he really want to go out as the guy who was historically awful because he couldn't hang them up?

Between last year and this year, he's got to be close to being historically bad over that many starts.

Respectfully, if you pick 100 people on Eutaw Street during a game, pulled them aside and asked them to name the 5 guys in the Orioles 2008 starting rotation without looking it up and gave them $20 per name how many walk away with $100?  $20.  OHers are far more informed but without googling it, I'd bet a small subset get the $100.  We're talking about Baltimore fans.  His "legacy" will be even less with overall baseball fans.    Chris Tillman should not earn induction even into the Orioles HOF. 

Tillman was an effective pitcher for 4 seasons (5 if you count 2012 where he wasn't brought up until July). 

If you were Chris Tillman, would you want 2017 to be your legacy?  If he quit now will he change his overall legacy than if he goes until September? 

Give it a few years, and he'll be signing autographs for free on Eutaw Street next to Chris Hoiles, who had much more of a legacy in an Orioles uniform.

I believe Tillman is no different that countless MLers before him who loved the game so much that he hung on as long as he could. 

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2 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

Respectfully, if you pick 100 people on Eutaw Street during a game, pulled them aside and asked them to name the 5 guys in the Orioles 2008 starting rotation without looking it up and gave them $20 per name how many walk away with $100?  $20.  OHers are far more informed but without googling it, I'd bet a small subset get the $100.  We're talking about Baltimore fans.  His "legacy" will be even less with overall baseball fans.  Tillman was an effective pitcher for 4 seasons (5 if you count 2012 where he wasn't brought up until July). 
If you were Chris Tillman, would you want 2017 to be your legacy?  If he quit now will he change his overall legacy than if he goes until September? 

I believe Tillman is no different that countless MLers before him who loved the game so much that he hung on as long as he could.  Chris Tillman should not earn induction even into the Orioles HOF. 

Give it a few years, and he'll be signing autographs for free next to Chris Hoiles, who had much more of a legacy in an Orioles uniform.

Sixty.

Sue me for forget Liz had 17 starts.  I knew Waters as well but he was #6.

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It's pretty much full Old Yeller now.  On the ethics of paychecks, this is also something where union solidarity is probably also a factor, and management-labor relations aren't the best right now.

For all we critique the FO for screwing up Davis and not locking up Machado, Schoop, and now Gausman/Bundy, I want to acknowledge they got Tillman right.  He looked like a prime extension candidate a few years into his career, and I remember at the height of it looking to Cincinnati's Homer Bailey contract as a possible Tillman benchmark.

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1 minute ago, TonySoprano said:

Respectfully, if you pick 100 people on Eutaw Street during a game, pulled them aside and asked them to name the 5 guys in the Orioles 2008 starting rotation without looking it up and gave them $20 per name how many walk away with $100?  $20.  OHers are far more informed but without googling it, I'd bet a small subset get the $100.  We're talking about Baltimore fans.  His "legacy" will be even less with overall baseball fans.  Tillman was an effective pitcher for 4 seasons (5 if you count 2012 where he wasn't brought up until July). 
If you were Chris Tillman, would you want 2017 to be your legacy?  If he quit now will he change his overall legacy than if he goes until September? 

I believe Tillman is no different that countless MLers before him who loved the game so much that he hung on as long as he could.  Chris Tillman should not earn induction even into the Orioles HOF. 

Give it a few years, and he'll be signing autographs for free next to Chris Hoiles, who had much more of a legacy in an Orioles uniform.

That's a much harder question than do you remember Scott Erickson? I agree with you that he is not an Orioles HoFer, but that doesn't mean even casual Orioles fans will forget him in ten years. 

I would bet Chris Tillman is hanging on for a paycheck rather some love of the game while pitching for the worse team in baseball when he has a 1.92 WHIP against minor leaguers.

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2 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

It's pretty much full Old Yeller now.  On the ethics of paychecks, this is also something where union solidarity is probably also a factor, and management-labor relations aren't the best right now.

For all we critique the FO for screwing up Davis and not locking up Machado, Schoop, and now Gausman/Bundy, I want to acknowledge they got Tillman right.  He looked like a prime extension candidate a few years into his career, and I remember at the height of it looking to Cincinnati's Homer Bailey contract as a possible Tillman benchmark.

Eh Union didn't say boo when Colby retired...again.

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18 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

Tillman isn't anywhere near a HOF players, let alone an Orioles HOFer (which is a much less exclusive club).  I'd bet few in Baltimore remember his name in a decade.  Legacy?  

You don’t think he’s an Orioles Hall of Famer?   I wouldn’t say he’s a shoe-in, but he does rank 12th all-time in wins for this team.    The top 10 are all in the Orioles HOF; the 11th is Scott Erickson, who isn’t.    And Tillman did pitch for three playoff teams.   

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On 7/12/2018 at 10:31 AM, Tony-OH said:

I would bet Chris Tillman is hanging on for a paycheck rather some love of the game while pitching for the worse team in baseball when he has a 1.92 WHIP against minor leaguers.

Tillman has about $1.25M left on his deal.  I also remember you being very vocal that Roberts should've quit rather than taking the Orioles money over a self-inflicted injury.

I say all that to ask this, if you're in Chris Davis' position, do you protect what's left of your legacy and retire after possibly the worst season for a MLB player in history?  Would you continue to take the money ($92M) even if it meant your legacy?  

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1 hour ago, TonySoprano said:

Tillman has about $1.25M left on his deal.  I also remember you being very vocal that Roberts should've quit rather than taking the Orioles money over a self-inflicted injury.

I say all that to ask this, if you're in Chris Davis' position, do you protect what's left of your legacy and retire after possibly the worst season for a MLB player in history?  Would you continue to take the money ($92M) even if it meant your legacy?  

You take the money, period.  I may not want to watch Chris Tillman or Chris Davis as a fan of the Orioles but I don't blame them one bit for showing up to work everyday and collecting their paycheck.  They did enough in their careers to be signed to whatever respective contracts they received.  Certainly Chris Tillman was very close to getting a whole lot of more money if he was able to become a free agent one year prior to when he did.

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1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Tillman is going to set the record for the longest rehab stint. 

Yacabonis is sick. Buck just said, not kidding. We see where this is headed. 

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Just now, eddie83 said:

Yacabonis is sick. Buck just said, not kidding. We see where this is headed. 

Tillman DFAed, Means called up to start?

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1 minute ago, amdcpus said:

Tillman DFAed, Means called up to start?

If they wanted to do that they could have done it by now.  

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