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Could the Cubs end up with both Manny and Harper?

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Rumors of Harper ending up with the Cubs have been frequent, given his friendship with Bryant.  Less has been made of Manny's chances of winding up there.  With the resources the Cubs have, the outside chance of Jason Heyward opting out, a few expensive contracts coming off the books and the potential for them to deal Addison Russell following his DV suspension, there is an outside chance that the Cubs could go into 2019 with both Machado and Harper.

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10 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Rumors of Harper ending up with the Cubs have been frequent, given his friendship with Bryant.  Less has been made of Manny's chances of winding up there.  With the resources the Cubs have, the outside chance of Jason Heyward opting out, a few expensive contracts coming off the books and the potential for them to deal Addison Russell following his DV suspension, there is an outside chance that the Cubs could go into 2019 with both Machado and Harper.

Just pulled up the cots page for the Cubs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VJ9nVwD1eUJabnL9tuQuxJa1K2oM2HXyqJS8Od0pMIo/pubhtml

First off Heyward isn't opting out.

Secondly they are already at 136M for 2019 with Bryant (10.8M), Hendricks (4.1M) and Russel (3.2M) up for thier second round of arbitration.

I don't see them signing both.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just pulled up the cots page for the Cubs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VJ9nVwD1eUJabnL9tuQuxJa1K2oM2HXyqJS8Od0pMIo/pubhtml

First off Heyward isn't opting out.

Secondly they are already at 136M for 2019 with Bryant (10.8M), Hendricks (4.1M) and Russel (3.2M) up for thier second round of arbitration.

I don't see them signing both.

I do acknowledge that Heyward opting out is unlikely (hence "outside chance").

This would also be accompanied by them dealing Russel.

Lester makes 27.5 in 2018, but that tapers down to 20 and 10 in the ensuing seasons.

Tax threshold seems like they would possibly have room given the above.

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-tax

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The threshold was $189 million from 2014-16, but the following increases were put in place per the 2017-21 Collective Bargaining Agreement:

2017: $195 million*

2018: $197 million

2019: $206 million

2020: $208 million

2021: $210 million

 

Probably not happening, but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

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27 minutes ago, TGO said:

Even if they dump Russell, is Machado even a better SS than Baez?

Baez played most of his games at 2B.  He also provides super felxibility.

And to your question, yes.  Maybe you could argue it's close or that Baez wins defensively (specific to SS), but Manny's bat is better and comes with a much more sustainable approach.  Even in this massive breakout season for Baez, he slashed .290/.326/.554/.881 (126 OPS+) vs. Manny's .297/.367/.538/.905 (146+).  They're the same age and Manny's career OPS is close to 50 points higher.

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1 hour ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Baez played most of his games at 2B.  He also provides super felxibility.

And to your question, yes.  Maybe you could argue it's close or that Baez wins defensively (specific to SS), but Manny's bat is better and comes with a much more sustainable approach.  Even in this massive breakout season for Baez, he slashed .290/.326/.554/.881 (126 OPS+) vs. Manny's .297/.367/.538/.905 (146+).  They're the same age and Manny's career OPS is close to 50 points higher.

I meant defensively, but I guess you're right in that Manny's bat upgrades your team significantly enough that you play him wherever he fits, assuming you can afford him.

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4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just pulled up the cots page for the Cubs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VJ9nVwD1eUJabnL9tuQuxJa1K2oM2HXyqJS8Od0pMIo/pubhtml

First off Heyward isn't opting out.

Secondly they are already at 136M for 2019 with Bryant (10.8M), Hendricks (4.1M) and Russel (3.2M) up for thier second round of arbitration.

I don't see them signing both.

Ever. He parlayed a great defensive metric into the deal of a lifetime. He can thank Chris Davis for distracting. 

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4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just pulled up the cots page for the Cubs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VJ9nVwD1eUJabnL9tuQuxJa1K2oM2HXyqJS8Od0pMIo/pubhtml

First off Heyward isn't opting out.

Secondly they are already at 136M for 2019 with Bryant (10.8M), Hendricks (4.1M) and Russel (3.2M) up for thier second round of arbitration.

I don't see them signing both.

I think pitching is their weakness. Either that, or their window is closed. 

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13 minutes ago, weams said:

Ever. He parlayed a great defensive metric into the deal of a lifetime. He can thank Chris Davis for distracting. 

He was also 25 and coming off of four consecutive years of above average offensive production.

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He was also 25 and coming off of four consecutive years of above average offensive production.

Really fell off a ledge. 

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32 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yes he did. 

I'd still trade Davis for him.

I'd trade Davis, Bundy and Givens for him. 

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Although landing both would be hilarious, they wont be doing that. My guess is they go hard after Harper, pick up Hamels' $20M option, pick up a reliever or two and then they'll find themselves well above the $206M threshold for 2019. I also expect them to package someone like Almora with Chatwood in order to get someone to take his deal.

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Bryant turned down 200M+, reportedly.

I can't imagine them being able to get adequate pitching if they commit a billion dollars to three position players.

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6 hours ago, backwardsk said:

Bryant turned down 200M+, reportedly.

I can't imagine them being able to get adequate pitching if they commit a billion dollars to three position players.

I really doubt they change the pitching. I do believe they bring back Hamels for his 2019 option tough. That means they've got Lester,Hendricks,Quintana,Darvish,Hamels,Montgomery,Smyly,Chatwood. That's more than enough to get it done.

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