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Incompetency, plain and simple. I think there will be real consequences to the incompetency that the organization has displayed and is currently displaying. 

I predict another significant decline in attendance.

Maybe I'm wrong. I feel like fans are beyond fed up. Last year, we had Buck, Manny, Schoop, Gausman, Bundy, Jones, and hope. 

Almost all of those guys are gone and there is very little hope when it comes to prospects. 

I don't mean to be overly negative, I'm just saying.... I think the Orioles FO has done a really crappy job and the chickens are not done coming home. 

I want to make some comparison to a private company like GE. That stock and brand has been run into the ground. Could it come back? Yes. But there are real structural issues that need to be grappled with and leadership has shown no ability to deal with them. 

If we are suddenly to be the Tampa Rays or Oakland As, why aren't we modeling ourselves after those ball clubs? How hard is it to hire a person out of the Tampa or Oakland organization? 

 

 

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The Orioles front office are a bunch of LARPers, with Brady Anderson the biggest LARPer of them all.  Don't need to look much further than this utter disgrace with the international slot money.  

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I will go the opposite way and side with the Orioles on these 3 players.  I have read every possible article I can on these guys and all have suspicions about them and their futures in mlb. 

Is the Asian market a safer place to do business?  Have any Asian players failed drug testing or lied about their age. The Spanish writers around the country have all to some degree raised concerns about these players. Mesa Jr seems to have the most upside of the 3 and he is still 16 I believe.

Has anyone studied the Asian market to see who we can sign with our 6+ million ?

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Just now, section18 said:

I will go the opposite way and side with the Orioles on these 3 players.  I have read every possible article I can on these guys and all have suspicions about them and their futures in mlb. 

Is the Asian market a safer place to do business?  Have any Asian players failed drug testing or lied about their age. The Spanish writers around the country have all to some degree raised concerns about these players. Mesa Jr seems to have the most upside of the 3 and he is still 16 I believe.

Has anyone studied the Asian market to see who we can sign with our 6+ million ?

Remember the last time the O's signed a 17 year old Asian player?

How'd that work out for all the parties involved?

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Remember the last time the O's signed a 17 year old Asian player?

How'd that work out for all the parties involved?

Are you saying all Asian players are basically the same?   😋

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19 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think 2.6M is an overpay.

Hard to say the O's should have bid more than that.

It’s either an overpay or a gross underpay - ask me in 6-7 years.  

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2 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Are you saying all Asian players are basically the same?   😋

Nope.  Saying the Orioles are incompetent.  They could not have handled the Kim Seong-min situation any worse.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Nope.  Saying the Orioles are incompetent.  They could not have handled the Kim Seong-min situation any worse.

Is that the time we got all of our scouts banned from an entire country?

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They will have to restock depths of the minors with quantity at this point.  We've said many times that there are a lot of bargain basement signing bonuses that were given out to guys who became stars.  But there was still no excuse to go full court press on one of these guys.  However, we may be better off hoping tocatch lightning in a bottle on signing 30 guys rather than hoping all 3 of these guys make it.   Nobody knows for sure about ay f these 3 or the 30 or so we may end up signing.

On another note, the average fan and/or family of four and even the above average fan is going to care one bit about what we did or did not accomplish in the international market.  A lot of fans that fill the seats have no idea about the international market and most know very little about the MLB draft, Rule V draft, etc.  The main thing that will determine attendance is win-loss record and nothing we would have done this year in the international market would have effected the win-loss record for 2019 or 2020. 

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How much money are the Angelos' set to lose in this MASN court dispute?  Could this plus the gutting of the team and refrain from spending be signs of a sale?  Sell, sell, sell!

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34 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Nope.  Saying the Orioles are incompetent.  They could not have handled the Kim Seong-min situation any worse.

Is there a stronger word than incompetent?  I swear they can't get out of their own way.

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5 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I don't know if this is true or not, but it's clear that the Angelos brothers do things as quickly as their father. It's frustrating for everyone involved and the fans that support this team to see not only nothing being done, but nothing being really talked about. The Orioles need to be much more open to the press and get their words out there. I hope whoever they pick as President and GM will be much more media savvy.

Mets and Giants haven't filled their vacancies yet either.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until the end of next week. 

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1 hour ago, jtschrei said:

Incompetency, plain and simple. I think there will be real consequences to the incompetency that the organization has displayed and is currently displaying. 

I predict another significant decline in attendance.

Maybe I'm wrong. I feel like fans are beyond fed up. Last year, we had Buck, Manny, Schoop, Gausman, Bundy, Jones, and hope. 

Almost all of those guys are gone and there is very little hope when it comes to prospects. 

I don't mean to be overly negative, I'm just saying.... I think the Orioles FO has done a really crappy job and the chickens are not done coming home. 

I want to make some comparison to a private company like GE. That stock and brand has been run into the ground. Could it come back? Yes. But there are real structural issues that need to be grappled with and leadership has shown no ability to deal with them. 

If we are suddenly to be the Tampa Rays or Oakland As, why aren't we modeling ourselves after those ball clubs? How hard is it to hire a person out of the Tampa or Oakland organization? 

 

 

Of course there will be a decline in attendance.   It will have nothing to do with not signing 17 year old Cubans, which very few of the million or so people who might go to Oriole games even know about.   I'll bet 3 to 4% of the million people in the area who might go to one or more Oriole games could tell you who Victor Victor Mesa or Sandy Gaston are.   If they are old enough, they'll think you must be talking about Jose Mesa and Cito Gaston.

We'll have a decline in attendance because we were awful last year and some people won't renew their season tickets, knowing they can get good seats IF they want without having to buy them before the season.

We'll have a decline in attendance because guys that casual fans have grown to know and care about -- Jones, Schoop, Machado, Gausman, O'Day, Britton, Brach -- are gone.   And the one guy they really know that is left is a shell of his former self.  I know a lot of us on the board are looking forward to seeing some young guys play, but the average fan wants to see people he has rooted for for years, and we don't have many of those.

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