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1 hour ago, atomic said:

He was absolutely awful. The few passes that were caught were off target.  And he fumbled again. Any other player who fumbled as much as Lamar would be in Harbaughs dog house.  

C'mon man.  Lamar showed nice touch on the second TD pass and a few others, enough to show promise.   He also threw behind Brown and Sneed a couple of times and had a couple in the dirt.  Definitely needs to improve on those.  What I don't understand is why Marty abandoned the running game in overtime.  Lamar should not be throwing on 3rd and 8 except for the occasional  'keep the defense honest' throws.  Marty called the OT period like Flacco was in there.  The Ravens should have run the ball with Lamar and Dixon.  

I think the Ravens can be successful with Lamar but, like RG3 before him,  only if running with abandon is a huge part of his game.  Protecting himself by sliding and running out of bounds negates his positive value.  

 

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1 hour ago, SouthRider said:

I think the Ravens can be successful with Lamar but, like RG3 before him,  only if running with abandon is a huge part of his game.  Protecting himself by sliding and running out of bounds negates his positive value.  

 

Um........you know what happened to RG3 right?

Pretty sure 'running with abandon' is not a sustainable strategy for your franchise QB.

Even Cam Newton seems to be much less effective now because he's banged up...........and he is built like a tank.

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24 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Um........you know what happened to RG3 right?

Pretty sure 'running with abandon' is not a sustainable strategy for your franchise QB.

Even Cam Newton seems to be much less effective now because he's banged up...........and he is built like a tank.

I didn't say anything about it being sustainable.  To Atomic's point, that is what Jackson is.  He is a running back/QB hybrid.   If he is going to stand in the pocket there are tons of guys who are better.   Jackson's value is his running ability.  When he does pass, unless it is the short/quick type of pass, I'd like to see him roll out more making the defense account for both him and the receivers.  When he does run he is doing the defense a favor by sliding after one or two yards.  It limits his effectiveness. And sadly, yes, those types of QBs don't last long in the NFL which is why 30 other teams passed on him.  

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I don't want to put words in your mouth.  But it sounds like you want the Ravens to just have him run as aggressively as possible until he breaks?  Or am I misinterpreting here?

If you believe the world is going to end after the 2018 season I guess I agree. 

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I don't believe he is a future franchise quarterback unless he is willing to take a lot of risks that will ultimately result in a short career.  What I have seen out of Lamar's passing game doe not give me confidence in his future as a pocket QB.   So, it is not that the world is going to end.  It's just that the NFL world will continue without Lamar in it, or he'll be a backup like RG3. 

I don't want to make it sound like I am totally down on Lamar.  He has done a lot of good things including yesterday.    In addition to the two TD passes and a couple of nice third down throws;   he should get a lot of credit for going into a very hostile and cold weather environment, keeping his team in it and remaining composed.   With him at the helm they almost pulled off a miracle victory.    What I am trying to point out is that when Lamar tries to protect himself the Ravens offense looks more like the Flacco led slow and ineffective offense that had them on track for an 8-8 season at best.   He is a play maker for sure, but his value lies with him as a constant running threat.   If they want to limit that while in a playoff race then put in Flacco or RG3.  

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7 hours ago, SouthRider said:

C'mon man.  Lamar showed nice touch on the second TD pass and a few others, enough to show promise.   He also threw behind Brown and Sneed a couple of times and had a couple in the dirt.  Definitely needs to improve on those.  What I don't understand is why Marty abandoned the running game in overtime.  Lamar should not be throwing on 3rd and 8 except for the occasional  'keep the defense honest' throws.  Marty called the OT period like Flacco was in there.  The Ravens should have run the ball with Lamar and Dixon.  

I think the Ravens can be successful with Lamar but, like RG3 before him,  only if running with abandon is a huge part of his game.  Protecting himself by sliding and running out of bounds negates his positive value.  

 

Lol.  You proved my point by saying Ravens shouldn't be throwing on 3rd and 8.  And why do you say that?  Because Lamar is terrible.

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Like Lamar or not, he gives the Ravens the best chance to win right now. They aren't going to keep running for nearly 200 yards a game with Flacco back, and most likely they will go back to throwing it 40 times for 200 yards.

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1 hour ago, atomic said:

Lol.  You proved my point by saying Ravens shouldn't be throwing on 3rd and 8.  And why do you say that?  Because Lamar is terrible.

Terrible may be a bit strong.  I would say inconsistent and below average at the present time.  My whole point is throwing is not his big attribute. Running is and he is very good at that if allowed to play with abandon.  If they are going to limit that then I agree another QB should be in there

Your 'terrible' comment seems to totally discount what Lamar brings to the running game.  200 yards of run offense per game is not going to happen with any other QB. Gus Edward's getting 100 yards by himself only happens because teams are confused by and have to account for Lamar.  

 

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38 minutes ago, SouthRider said:

Terrible may be a bit strong.  I would say inconsistent and below average at the present time.  My whole point is throwing is not his big attribute. Running is and he is very good at that if allowed to play with abandon.  If they are going to limit that then I agree another QB should be in there

Your 'terrible' comment seems to totally discount what Lamar brings to the running game.  200 yards of run offense per game is not going to happen with any other QB. Gus Edward's getting 100 yards by himself only happens because teams are confused by and have to account for Lamar.  

 

Yeah he is terrible at throwing.  The main feature of a QB.  Like I said he is Tebow.

 

 

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10 hours ago, atomic said:

Yeah he is terrible at throwing.  The main feature of a QB.  Like I said he is Tebow.

 

 

So far in his NFL career (an entire four game sample size) he is a more accurate passer than Tebow and a better runner than Tebow.

Jackson has completed 58% of his passes to Tebow's 48%.

Having said all that, it would be pretty cool if Jackson actually does pull a Tebow by carrying us into first place and winning a playoff game.

Man are you gonna hate 2019.

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10 hours ago, Aglets said:

So far in his NFL career (an entire four game sample size) he is a more accurate passer than Tebow and a better runner than Tebow.

Jackson has completed 58% of his passes to Tebow's 48%.

Having said all that, it would be pretty cool if Jackson actually does pull a Tebow by carrying us into first place and winning a playoff game.

Man are you gonna hate 2019.

Maybe Harbaugh gets fired.  And we get a real offensive coordinator.

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