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    • Guys, I'm no moderator, but the interesting debate about McGregor, et al, has (IMHO) reached critical mass. 
    • Don't have anything on hand.  Not sure where to look or even if there is a trustworthy source for the information.  I'm mostly going be fallible memory of how hard guys threw and how, for the most part, left handed velocity is a couple ticks behind right handed velocity. As for your video, sure he looked good.  You chose a start in which he threw a shutout.  I remember DCab looking really good when he threw that one hitter against the Yankees. My point has been, this whole time, that you can't make it in the majors today with the K rate that McGregor had when he pitched. If you would like to show me guys have sustained success in today's game with a K rate under 4...
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    • So few left handed pitchers threw 91 back in the late 70's that I just find it unlikely from a statistical standpoint.  I'm not old enough to remember late 70's McGregor.  The guy I remember in the 80's was more of a junkballer.
    • At the same time, you cited 103 mph as the reason older generation hitters would not do well today.  Exaggeration goes both ways in making a point about which I too was trying to communicate...i.e.  I do believe that many 1980s era players could certainly play well and thrive in today's game.     And that some of the pitching skill sets today might even be more valuable in today's game than they were back then.   Even if the velocity is not the same.         I certainly accept that the game is played differently today, different after the steroid era, and that the athletes playing it perform those aspects of the game differently than their predecessors.   Still haven't found the speed gun ratings on Scott in high school, but I suspect they were pretty good....I might just ask him...   Scott McGregor, El Segundo (Calif.), 1972 Although a teammate of Hall of Famer George Brett (as a sophomore and junior), it was McGregor who garnered more headlines during his three-year career under El Segundo legendary coach John Stevenson. McGregor was a three-time All-CIF selection and was twice named Player of the Year. He was also a Rawlings All-American as a senior. He set section records (which still stand) for career wins (51), career shutouts (20), shutouts in a season (9), and consecutive no-hitters (2). He also set the section record for career strikeouts (which has since been broken) with 496. He was the No. 14 overall pick in 1972 draft by the Yankees, but he was eventually traded to Baltimore. 
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    • You asked about velocity right? I love how you keep mentioning inner circle HoF players.  No word on how Frank Torre would do.  By concentrating on the top .1% you are missing out on an important issue I tried to relay to you.  Your average hitter is a lot more dangerous.   
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