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Just now, esmd said:

His cumulative WAR for the last 3 seasons is 0.  He has 3 seasons remaining at $28, $29, and $30M.  Yeah, it's an albatross.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml

granted 2016 was only 1.3 WAR, but 31 HR and 119 RBI and .780 OPS might not be worth the 28 million, it was far from albatross in my opinion.

 

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

He's so good that he won't have to continue for the next 12 years.  Unless you are like that other poster and think a bad final couple seasons on a 12 year deal makes the deal a failure no matter what was done in the first 10.

A couple seasons is one thing.  What if after 4 of the 12 years he has a major injury and is a shell of the player he is now?

Maybe it turns out well for them.  Maybe it doesn't.  All I'm saying is a 12/430M contract presents too high of a level of risk IMO.

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

No owner is worth the insane amount of money they get.

The difference is, its their money that purchased the franchise.

So if the owners stop giving out big contracts, lowered ticket prices and player contracts, then the stadiums would be full of fans.

 

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

granted 2016 was only 1.3 WAR, but 31 HR and 119 RBI and .780 OPS might not be worth the 28 million, it was far from albatross in my opinion.

 

If the deal expired after 2018 or 2019 I'd agree with you.  But these next 3 years are going to be tough to watch, IMO.

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Just now, esmd said:

A couple seasons is one thing.  What if after 4 of the 12 years he has a major injury and is a shell of the player he is now?

Maybe it turns out well for them.  Maybe it doesn't.  All I'm saying is a 12/430M contract presents too high of a level of risk IMO.

It's a bad deal.

It is a ton of money and a ton of years and yes it could turn out badly for the Angels.

But Trout is the best bet out there to make it work.

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Just now, esmd said:

If the deal expired after 2018 or 2019 I'd agree with you.  But these next 3 years are going to be tough to watch, IMO.

Could be, but I save the albatoss tags for deals like Davis, that are truly in the tank.

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

The difference is, its their money that purchased the franchise.

So if the owners stop giving out big contracts, lowered ticket prices and player contracts, then the stadiums would be full of fans.

 

Not all of them.

I wonder how cheap tickets would have to be at each stadium to generate 90% capacity? 

I really want to know. 

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6 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Could be, but I save the albatoss tags for deals like Davis, that are truly in the tank.

No argument on Davis, that one went bad almost immediately.  But that doesn't mean Pujols' contract doesn't smell like 2 week old crab shells in the trash can, either.

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Just now, esmd said:

No argument on Davis, that one went bad almost immediately.  But that doesn't mean Pujols' contract doesn't smell like 2 week old crab shells in the trash can, either.

pitchers like Price while good, amazes me how much money they can get, they scare me more than position players, as they already have a ton of innings on their arms, and 1 pitch way from TJ and 18 months time on the DL.

 

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1 minute ago, LookinUp said:

Kinda apples and oranges comparing hockey to baseball, but okay.  I'll just say this - of all the MLB mega deals since 2000, I'd bet that a large majority of them have turned out badly for the team that signed the player.

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1 minute ago, esmd said:

Kinda apples and oranges comparing hockey to baseball, but okay.  I'll just say this - of all the MLB mega deals since 2000, I'd bet that a large majority of them have turned out badly for the team that signed the player.

I think its something like 67% were not worth the deal.

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17 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

7 solid years of fulltime pro pball and his worse WAR is 6.7

The man is as solid and consistence as a baseball machine as there ever was.

 

 

15 minutes ago, esmd said:

I agree.  But betting that he will continue to be for the next 12 years?  That's where I have an issue.

He doesn’t need to be as good as he’s been over the next 12 years to earn his deal.   Per Fangraphs, he’s been worth $494 mm in 7+ seasons.   He can slow down considerably and be worth $430 mm in the next 12.   

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

 

He doesn’t need to be as good as he’s been over the next 12 years to earn his deal.   Per Fangraphs, he’s been worth $494 mm in 7+ seasons.   He can slow down considerably and be worth $430 mm in the next 12.   

Yeah I know what Fangraphs says.  We'll see how it shakes out in the real world.

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