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2 hours ago, jabba72 said:

They dont have a Machado or Britton or Gausman to trade this year. The return will be minimal, so I almost dont see the point unless they want the top draft pick. 

If they traded Cobb midseason, then they could avoid paying him 2.5 more years. That's some serious chump change. 

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5 minutes ago, Philip said:

There’s a balance between being frugal and destructive. The 2012 Astros were literally unwatchable. I went to a game between the Rangers andAstros and in front of us were two families of Astro fans. By the fourth inning the Rangers were plowing through Astros pitching like a Panzer through tall grass, and both families left dejectedly with the score about 11-2. I felt so sad for them.

Elias has an obligation to be mindful of the fans. Last year was supposedly the result of incompetence-and idiocy- and not desire. Yet a plethora of pitchforks and torches abounded. How much worse would it be to do it on purpose?

It's a process and there are no shortcuts.

There isn't anything Elias can do to make this season more abhorrent than last season. Nothing.

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6 minutes ago, Philip said:

There’s a balance between being frugal and destructive. The 2012 Astros were literally unwatchable. I went to a game between the Rangers andAstros and in front of us were two families of Astro fans. By the fourth inning the Rangers were plowing through Astros pitching like a Panzer through tall grass, and both families left dejectedly with the score about 11-2. I felt so sad for them.

Elias has an obligation to be mindful of the fans. Last year was supposedly the result of incompetence-and idiocy- and not desire. Yet a plethora of pitchforks and torches abounded. How much worse would it be to do it on purpose?

I saw the Orioles play those Astros in Houston. I had a blast!! But of course the Astros fans were in a living hell. 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I don’t think they’ll make trades just to find a way to lose more games.    

I think you're right. I think the acquisition of Straily, giving Jackson back, etc., suggests that they don't want to be in the historically bad neighborhood. 

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2 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

I think you're right. I think the acquisition of Straily, giving Jackson back, etc., suggests that they don't want to be in the historically bad neighborhood. 

But those are all also very small moves from a money standpoint.

You don't see Elias even giving up a 3M contract.

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12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But those are all also very small moves from a money standpoint.

You don't see Elias even giving up a 3M contract.

Definitely. But I was surprised they got rid of Jackson. It just feels to me like they may not want to totally tank. 

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5 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Definitely. But I was surprised they got rid of Jackson. It just feels to me like they may not want to totally tank. 

I agree that he's trying to win within the restraints he dealing with.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

They may very well want to cut payroll.    I was just saying I don’t think they’ll make trades for the purpose of trying to lose more games, which is what wildcard seems to be implying in his response to jabba72:

 

 

So you are trying to assign intent to why the O's will  get a high draft choice?   I would say its Elias team building philosophy to trade away veteran players the first year of his rebuild.  Losing big is a side effect as is getting in high draft choice.  It all part of the rebuild plan.

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

So you are trying to assign intent to why the O's will  get a high draft choice?   I would say its Elias team building philosophy to trade away veteran players the first year of his rebuild.  Losing big is a side effect as is getting in high draft choice.  It all part of the rebuild plan.

I guess we will see what his philosophy is.    He wasn’t the guy trading players in Houston, though he certainly had a front row seat.

My only point is that there are at least three possible reasons why Elias might trade players who are playing well:

1.   He likes the younger players we get in return.  

2.    He saves payroll.

3.    The team gets worse and he gets a higher draft pick.    

I don’t think 3 will be the reason he makes any trades.    It may be the result but not the objective IMO.

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51 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Definitely. But I was surprised they got rid of Jackson. It just feels to me like they may not want to totally tank. 

I don't think that is what Elias did.  I think he feels a starting pitcher, even a mediocre one, has more trade value in July than a utility infielder has in a rebuild.  Elias can either trade to get Jackson back or find another UIF on the cheap.

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Just now, wildcard said:

I don't think that is what Elias did.  I think he feels a starting pitcher, even a mediocre one, has more trade value in July than a utility infielder has in a rebuild.  Elias can either trade to get Jackson back or find another UIF on the cheap.

I think he feels our team needs more pitching, and here’s a cheap alternative.    

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5 hours ago, Ohfan67 said:

Definitely. But I was surprised they got rid of Jackson. It just feels to me like they may not want to totally tank. 

It could be that Jackson just isn’t the player they want him to be.

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Jackson was not a pitcher, and that sealed it. The need for BP relief trumped his presence. It is in no way any indication of what the team thought of him.

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6 hours ago, Yachtsman said:

Jackson was not a pitcher, and that sealed it. The need for BP relief trumped his presence. It is in no way any indication of what the team thought of him.

Especially seeing how Wright, Bundy, and Castro have faltered so far and the pressure on Givens. (Fry and Means have been OK though.)

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