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Because our pitchers pitch with baseballs soaked in gasoline, I'd definitely say this team is worse than last years because of it. 

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This team should be worse than last years. Compare the opening day 25 this year to last year. We had way more talent last year. Now they didn't perform to that talent level, but we had it.

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The way this team is looking, they just might lose more than 115 games. Hard to imagine, but they'll probably be even worse in July, if they trade Mancini.

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8 minutes ago, BMann said:

The way this team is looking, they just might lose more than 115 games. Hard to imagine, but they'll probably be even worse in July, if they trade Mancini.

They only play the Yankees 8 more times all year, so that will help them not make it to 115 losses.  Hopefully they will have some opponents over the rest of the year that don't intimidate them as easily as the Yankees do.  Just imagine how badly New York would be beating the Os if they actually had even a reasonably healthy team.

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I must admit that I was completely fooled by the good start. Probably a result of being a casual fan these last two years. This team has no major-league talent. I understand that they are supposed to be bad this year, but the FO ought to at least put a major-league team on the field. They could break the losing record this year.

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We are STILL on a pace to win more games than last year.

And in our first 50 games we have played 12 games vs the first place Yankees,  7 games vs the wild-card positioned Red Sox, 6 games vs the first place Twins, 5 games vs the wild-card positioned Rays -- so that's 60% of our games vs teams that are in position to make the playoffs, plus 3 more vs Cleveland who is a half game off the wild card pace.

But yeah, we are pretty bad.   Let's see what happens in our next 12 games vs lesser teams.

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MLB is complacent in all of this.  There should be some sort of penalties involved in having this terrible product representing them.  I don't know how or what they could do but something needs addressed.  The NBA instituted the draft lottery to combat tanking.  Maybe that could be a step in the right direction.  I would think the prospect of losing fans would be enough to keep teams from rebuilding this way but it doesn't seem to sway them. Inevitably the fans come roaring back once the team improves.  That is the case with the Astros anyway.  Maybe some sort of Insurance to alleviate the stupid overpriced contracts that prevent teams from releasing players that have seemingly forgotten how to play the game.

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It seems that the reasons for "tanking" would be complex and the solutions even more so. I haven't dove too deep into it, but there's a difference between deliberately losing and just not having the talent in your organization to win or even compete now. I have trouble seeing how penalizing teams that are already horrible will do anything except hold them down longer than they would have been otherwise.

On top of that, players that organizations count on for big things sometimes don't work out at all either due to injury or not being able to put it together at the ML level. I don't think anything can be done about this and if this happens to too many of your future star players, what is there to do but start over? Hovering in mediocrity isn't a strategy for winning it all.

With the Orioles, it's the result of horrible mismanagement over the last 20 years. We did have a good five years, but that fell apart quickly and spectacularly. How we ever pulled that off with the FO being the way it was is a miracle. The only option for us is to tear it all down, build up international efforts and rebuild the reputation of the organization which all has to be done before we can move forward in any meaningful way. What we have now is the second coming of disaster from bad ownership and bad management only this time, both have changed. So... how would MLB punishing the Orioles do them any good? It's like kicking someone when they're down. Tanking is likely the result of a flawed system to a large degree. I don't think teams would take the Astros approach if they had better approaches. It's either commit all the way or commit halfway like we did for 14 years.

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Lol, make a AAAA league that would be for players that could be interchanged with the MLB roster at any time stats fall below a minimum level.  No more of this he needs more time to get seasoned before he can come up to the show.  That could provide a kick in the pants to keep you improving your game. 

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51 minutes ago, SteveA said:

We are STILL on a pace to win more games than last year.

And in our first 50 games we have played 12 games vs the first place Yankees,  7 games vs the wild-card positioned Red Sox, 6 games vs the first place Twins, 5 games vs the wild-card positioned Rays -- so that's 60% of our games vs teams that are in position to make the playoffs, plus 3 more vs Cleveland who is a half game off the wild card pace.

But yeah, we are pretty bad.   Let's see what happens in our next 12 games vs lesser teams.

 

Those teams couldn’t be where they are without us. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, mdoriolefan said:

Lol, make a AAAA league that would be for players that could be interchanged with the MLB roster at any time stats fall below a minimum level.  No more of this he needs more time to get seasoned before he can come up to the show.  That could provide a kick in the pants to keep you improving your game. 

Do you think any amount of "pants kicking" could turn Joey Rickard into a major league caliber player? It comes down to ability and either you have it or you don't. If that's all it took to produce major leaguers, then everyone would make it. You can only improve so much before you reach the limits of what your body can do and not everyone has what it takes to reach and succeed at the highest levels of athletics.

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As we stand right now, we're projected to:

We've played 50 games. Scored 197 runs, allowed 305 runs.

Over the course of the entire season that's 638 runs scored and 988 runs allowed. Last year the O's scored 622 runs and allowed 892 runs.

So we're on pace to score 16 runs more but allow 96 more. A -80 regression. So, yeah, we're worse.

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Tanking is not a problem in MLB, when draft picks are not sure-things and take years to develop. The Orioles are not tanking, they are just bad.

But this is a form of "tanking" too. This roster is not a major-league roster. Teams should not be allowed to get away with that. This is the real problem in MLB, and has been for quite a while, not tanking.

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44 minutes ago, Sessh said:

Do you think any amount of "pants kicking" could turn Joey Rickard into a major league caliber player? It comes down to ability and either you have it or you don't. If that's all it took to produce major leaguers, then everyone would make it. You can only improve so much before you reach the limits of what your body can do and not everyone has what it takes to reach and succeed at the highest levels of athletics.

Then they shouldn't be there period.

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