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3 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

After 2022 season according to Baseball Reference.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mancitr01.shtml

Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
2017 25 Baltimore Orioles $536,000 0.015 contracts  
2018 26 Baltimore Orioles $556,500 1.015    
2019 27 Baltimore Orioles $575,500 2.015    
2019 Status Signed thru 2019, Earliest Arb Eligible: 2020, Earliest Free Agent: 2023

The question was (do you) think he will be a free agent after 2022.  At least that is how I read it.

I think he gets nontendered after his arb 2 season.

You are correct in the information you presented.

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9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The question was (do you) think he will be a free agent after 2022.  At least that is how I read it.

I think he gets nontendered after his arb 2 season.

You are correct in the information you presented.

Unless Mancini goes off the rails, I don’t see him getting nontendered before free agency.

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4 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Unless Mancini goes off the rails, I don’t see him getting nontendered before free agency.

OK.  I do.  I don't think he'd make as much on the open market as he'd get in arbitration.

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5 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

Indians are 1.5 back for the wild card. 

This is part of why I think Mancini may be even more attractive to them (vs. pure rentals).  They are going for the WC, but if they were to fall short or get bounced in the play-in game, he would be there in 2020 and beyond.

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6 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

This is part of why I think Mancini may be even more attractive to them (vs. pure rentals).  They are going for the WC, but if they were to fall short or get bounced in the play-in game, he would be there in 2020 and beyond.

Are they going for the WC?

I haven't seen that.

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10 hours ago, weams said:

There is no one in the Orioles 25 that will bring back as much in value as the Gausman trade did. Not even Mancini. 

Bundy would bring back as much.  He will cost less money then Gausman the last two years and won’t have O’Day attached to him.   If Bundy keeps pitching like he has last month he gets a equal or better return.

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So going off the other thread where the general consensus is that we won't be contending again until 2022 at the absolute earliest, we can assume that Mancini will either not be an Oriole or will be getting paid market value by that time. If that is the case then trading him would probably be best. Of course when to trade him is a different discussion

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I can’t see is trading Mancini or Bundy this year. If Mancini can finish this year strong and and have similar or better production the first half of next year I think we could get a nice return for him then. Same to be said for Bundy we would be selling low on both those guys right now. 

Quantity over quality and vice versa should be done case by case basis. Prospects are so hit or miss that is lean towards quantity unless it’s well thought of highly regarded prospect. 

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3 minutes ago, jrobb21613 said:

I can’t see is trading Mancini or Bundy this year. If Mancini can finish this year strong and and have similar or better production the first half of next year I think we could get a nice return for him then. Same to be said for Bundy we would be selling low on both those guys right now. 

Quantity over quality and vice versa should be done case by case basis. Prospects are so hit or miss that is lean towards quantity unless it’s well thought of highly regarded prospect. 

I don’t see it selling low on Bundy he has been good this year.  Era a little inflated but all the other numbers are solid.  K rate good walk rate great and Whip is strong.  2 and a half years left at reasonable rate gets you solid return if he puts another month and a half together st this rate.  The teams already are looking for pitching.  Bundy is controllable won’t cost team arm or leg but is solid 3 man in rotation.  

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4 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

I don’t see it selling low on Bundy he has been good this year.  Era a little inflated but all the other numbers are solid.  K rate good walk rate great and Whip is strong.  2 and a half years left at reasonable rate gets you solid return if he puts another month and a half together st this rate.  The teams already are looking for pitching.  Bundy is controllable won’t cost team arm or leg but is solid 3 man in rotation.  

I just think if he continues to build off his success that next year we could get a better return because he would of shown more consistency. I think a year of showing the ability to pitch effectively on consistent basis will have more value than the extra yr of control if we were to trade this offseason.

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11 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

I don’t see it selling low on Bundy he has been good this year.  Era a little inflated but all the other numbers are solid.  K rate good walk rate great and Whip is strong.  2 and a half years left at reasonable rate gets you solid return if he puts another month and a half together st this rate.  The teams already are looking for pitching.  Bundy is controllable won’t cost team arm or leg but is solid 3 man in rotation.  

I also really like how Bundy is mixing his pitches throwing his secondaries more and with our good pitching prospects still being a couple years away I think it would be worth it to look into extending him vs trading him but first I would see what return he could garner.

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3 minutes ago, jrobb21613 said:

I also really like how Bundy is mixing his pitches throwing his secondaries more and with our good pitching prospects still being a couple years away I think it would be worth it to look into extending him vs trading him but first I would see what return he could garner.

He's signed for $2.8MM this year (age 26).  Let's say he jumps to $6MM for 2020 (27) and $9MM for 2021 (28) based on performance similar to what he's doing right now.  What would be a reasonable number of FA years to buy out that would be mutually agreeable, and at what rate?  If I'm Bundy, I'm not sure I want to sign too far into my 30's as it reduces the chances of me getting another good deal.  What about something like buying 2022 and 2023 for $12.5MM each?  Basically a $40MM/4year deal for 2020 - 2023? 

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3 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Think Mancini becomes a FA after 2022 right? 

Trey Mancini will become a free agent after the 2022 season, Arbitration eligible this off season.

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4 hours ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

He's signed for $2.8MM this year (age 26).  Let's say he jumps to $6MM for 2020 (27) and $9MM for 2021 (28) based on performance similar to what he's doing right now.  What would be a reasonable number of FA years to buy out that would be mutually agreeable, and at what rate?  If I'm Bundy, I'm not sure I want to sign too far into my 30's as it reduces the chances of me getting another good deal.  What about something like buying 2022 and 2023 for $12.5MM each?  Basically a $40MM/4year deal for 2020 - 2023? 

I think that’s a great deal for the O’s unfortunately I think Bundy!s camp might feel it’s s little light. I think if the avg annual salary was equal to the 12.5 over 4 years making it 4/50 I think that would get it done but before we did that I’d like to see him finish out this year strong and approach him in the off season with it and if not acceptable move him at the winter meetings.

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I’d trade Mancini, Bundy, and Cashner. I think teams would play Mancini in the OF this year. So I think the bat will force a bigger market than what we are thinking now. Teams know what they are getting in Bundy.  He could be a real solid #3 in the NL, and on a team that has the luxury to manage his IP. Cashner would basically just be an IP eater. 

We’re not going to be “contending” again until 2022. No reason to have Bundy and Mancini around during their arbitration. 

Ideally we would get back some high ceiling guys that are in A ball, that wouldn’t require 40 man protection this offseason. 

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