larrytt

[EDIT: This was in a different thread I started. The moderators moved it here. So my response below doesn't make sense out of context.] This has been a disappointing thread. I brought up the topic of Cease versus current Orioles pitchers. There have been exactly two relevant responses buried among the many responses so far, where DrinkinWithFermi brought up FIP (Fielding Independence of Pitcher), and ChosenOne21 brought up similar ideas. Those were intelligent responses. But the rest? Over and over I’m told (often with great sarcasm) two things: 1. There are too many Cease threads 2. All my answers are in the other Cease threads I hate to bring facts and logic to an online discussion, but here goes. There is only one other Cease thread. One. Uno. Singular. I checked back through 30 pages of discussions going back to last September and the name “Cease” appears in exactly one other thread title. So all the talk about too many Cease threads is silly. [EDIT: It turns out there were other Cease threads as "recently" as November, but they all died out and none of them show up in the last 30 pages of discussion here. The ones from September were ongoing threads. So all this talk of numerous Cease threads isn't accurate, since other then those from long ago, this is the only one.] So, all my answers are in the other Cease thread? Great. There are over 3,500 responses on 235 pages there. If I read them at one per minute, it would take nearly 60 hours to go through them. Thanks, but no thanks. I did read the first page of responses, and there was no mention of Cease versus current Orioles pitchers. None. So, I thought this would be a good way to ask the question and actually discuss this specific question of Cease versus current Orioles pitchers, as opposed the apparently wide-ranging discussion on in those 3,500 responses in that other (singular) thread that’s actually about Cease versus other non-Orioles pitchers, but I was wrong. [EDIT: And there are still people posting that I should have read through the now 3,600+ postings here rather than ask in a new thread. Lots of unthinking sarcasm.] So, I will Cease (pun intended) posting questions on this discussion thread. I had a good run a number of years ago when I used to post those “Top Ten” lists and join in many other discussions, and I joined in a few times this past year and was getting excited about the upcoming season, but things have really changed here. But feel free to pile on with those sarcastic responses about all these Cease threads that don’t exist and telling people who are new to the current discussion that they have to wade through 3,500 postings to find their answers.

There is only one thread about Cease in the last ten pages of threads, going back to November. There's only one current one about him, with 3.5K replies on 233 pages, so things get rather lost there. This is a different topic than the other Cease thread. The other one was about Cease versus other pitchers we might get. This one is about Cease versus current Orioles starters. Yes, it probably meanders, but with 3.5K responses, I doubt if many are really able to keep up with all the replies. This one is very specific about the topic. If you don't want to join this thread, then Cease posting here. Please don't try to derail it with the first response, before anyone even has a chance to respond, without even referring to what's actually in the posting. If there is no interest in the topic, then let it Cease on its own. So my answer to your question is . . . yes. Since you disagree, I suggest you go to the one with 3.5K replies and make it 3.5K+1. To use a metaphor, I think there are too many Starbucks, but when I see a new one opening up, I don't spend my time in front of it calling out, "Do we really need a new Starbucks?" (Or, "Cease this coffeehouse abomination!")

There’s lots of talk and rumors about trading away top prospects to bring Dylan Cease, an “ace,” to Baltimore. Yes, he was great for one year in 2022 (2.20 ERA, his only year as an “ace”) and also good in 2021 (3.91, first full season, not ace level), but in 2023 he had a 4.58 ERA with an atrocious 1.418 WHIP. Many consider his 2022 somewhat of a fluke since he led the league in walks but somehow got away with it for one year. (He was third in MLB in ERA, but only 20th in WHIP at 1.11.) So, I’m looking at the Orioles current potential starters. There are health and stamina concerns with Means and Wells, which means we need depth, but if healthy, you want to start your five best starters. Looking mostly at ERA, here are my rough rankings: 1. Kyle Bradish 2.83 2. Grayson Rodriguez 4.35 (2.58 in second half) 3. John Means 2.66 in 23.2 innings (3.62 in 2021, missed 2022 with Tommy John surgery) 4. Dean Kremer 4.12 (3.23 in 2022) 5. Tyler Wells 3.64 (4.25 in 2022) 6. Dylan Cease 4.58 (4.30 first half, 4.96 second half) Maybe Cease will recover from his 2023 pitching woes, but until he shows his previous form, he seems to have pitched himself out of anything close to ace-hood and is more like a #5 starter, and a #6 starter on a contending team. So . . . can someone explain to me as if I were a child why he’s still regularly referred to as an “ace” or why you believe he should start ahead of any of the other five (other than that if we trade for him, we are obligated to do so)? But we do need to get another dependable starter, but more like a #3 inning-eater type.

You can do both. I'll add that to the opening post.

Assuming the Orioles do not sign or resign any free agents (so no Frazier and Hicks), and so using only current Orioles (major or minor leagues), who are your 13 (or 14?) 2024 position players, their position, and role - starter, platoon, utility. (If Jackson Holliday isn't one of your starting infielders, you got some serious explaining!!!) You can choose to designate a current position player for a trade for a pitcher and so leave him off your roster. Optional - your batting orders against righty and lefty pitchers. Also optional - you can put what you think SHOULD happen, and what you think WILL happen.

It's the first time they've won 100 games without Jim Palmer on the team!

Jorge Mateo is one of the fastest runners in baseball, and Cedric Mullins and Ryan McKenna are also pretty fast. I remember Al Bumbry as being super fast. Luis Aparicio, Brady Anderson, and Brian Roberts were also fast, but probably not Mateo fast. If you lined up all the fastest Orioles since 1954 for a 100 meter sprint, who would win or finish in the top five?

Maybe I'm the only one, but I keep thinking, if we go, say, 5-1 the rest of the way, and the Braves stumble a bit and go 2-4 . . . we tie them for best record in the majors. Winning the division is what's important right now, but tying for (or having) the best record would be a fun thing to achieve. Sweeping the Nats would be a good start.

In case anyone's interested in the probability, in a 4-game series, assuming each game is 50-50 (not reality, of course, but close enough), there are 16 possible outcomes, leading to five scenarios: 4-0: 1 chance in 16 (6.25%) 3-1: 4 chances in 16 (25%) 2-2: 6 chances in 16 (37.5%) 1-3: 4 chances in 16 (25%) 0-4: 1 chance in 16 (6.25%)

This seems like a good place to point out that since the Allstar Break, the O's lead the AL East in runs, RBI, OPS, AVE, doubles, triples, hits, sac, SF, and (defensively) turned the most double plays. They are second in ERA only to Toronto. They lead the entire AL in run differential at +79, with the Rays second at +51. When anyone questions whether the O's are really as good as the Rays, remember that we lead them in ALL of these categories since the Allstar Break. And that is why the O's have gone 41-21 since the Allstar Break, while the Rays have gone 35-24.

They have Kjerstad at DH and Santander in RF. Is Santander better defensively?

Adley's OBP for September: .389. OPS: .804. (That includes tonight.)

12. Cedric Mullins is so fast that he was challenged to a race by the Flash. Because they wear baseball caps when they play baseball, the Flash (Jorge Mateo) and Superman (Cedric) didn't recognize each other. 11. Cedric Mullins is so fast that when he runs the bases, he breaks light speed and we go back in time, which is why this year we’re really watching the 1966, 1970, and 1983 Orioles. 10. Cedric Mullins is so fast that Orioles pitchers no longer bother with baseballs. They just grab Cedric and release him, and a split second later he's in the catcher's glove. 9. Cedric Mullins is so fast that when he runs the bases, the friction turns the infield into a small, fiery star as he circles it. Yes, Cedric Mullins is an anagram for Circle Mild Sun. 8. Cedric Mullins is so fast that the Red Sox tried to claim him, not realizing his socks were only red because they were on fire. Then Cedric picked up the pace, the socks went white hot, and the White Sox tried to claim him. 7. Cedric Mullins is so fast that the first time the Orioles saw him in spring training he homered, so they signed him to the Orioles, then he raced out and caught his own home run, and because it was just a long out, the Orioles sent him back to the minors. Eventually he broke his habit of catching his own home runs, though he sometimes mournfully watches them go out, just dying to run them down. 6. After watching an O’s game, Chuck Norris sheepishly replaced his name everywhere with “Cedric Mullins.” 5. Cedric Mullins leads the AL East with an OPS of .975. (For you non-stat people, OPS for stars like Cedric means OPS Plus Strikeout percentage.) 4. Cedric Mullins has stolen exactly 90 bases in his career - he stores them in his mancave at home - and so has been indicted 90 times, exactly one behind the combined indictments of all 46 US presidents in history. Ironically, he has never been indicted for the 26 times he’s been caught stealing, since in those cases he didn’t steal a base. (And let's NOT turn this into a political discussion unless it's about the Yale star first baseman.) 3. Cedric leads the Orioles in OPS on Sundays at 1.023, and (excluding starting catchers) on Thursdays at 1.054. He is a surefire first-ballot addition to the Sunday and Thursday wings of MLB's Hall of Fame. (Just bench him on Tue & Wed - .568 and .452.) 2. When the Orioles went 52-110 in 2021 despite Cedric’s 30 homers and 30 steals, he correctly prophesied that the Orioles were a "Circus I'll Mend." Which, of course, is just an anagram for Cedric Mullins. 1. While the Orioles were flopping in 2021, Salisbury University won the NCAA Championships. There were plans to replace the Orioles Bird with Salisbury's Sammy Seagull. But Cedric vetoed that, pointing out that seagulls can only fly up to 26 mph, which is his average sauntering speed. And so poor Sammy Seagull continues to languish as Salisbury, though he makes occasional appearances at Orioles Hangout.

You're right - fixed! It's "Cool Hands Cano"! -Larrytt

Since Cedric Mullins is your favorite current player, maybe he'll be the subject of a Top Ten list. -Larrytt