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01-20-2011 10:05 AM #1
Both Kiper and McShay...
have us taking Cam Newton at #10. I won't post a link since it's ESPN Insider and you can see it or you can't.
McShay has Tennessee taking Locker at 7 or 8. Kiper doesn't have Locker going in the first round at all.
I am a little puzzled by this. I think Newton is a great talent, but his character would be a big question mark for me. I feel he disrespected Auburn and the NCAA by going to find his Dad after the BCS championship and hugging him in the stadium that they publicly said his Dad would not physically attend.
I personally prefer Locker over Newton. Scouts Inc gives him a 92 grade versus Newton's 89.
Lastly, I am wondering if we should just trade down for more picks... Mallett will be available later, but has accuracy and footwork concerns.
I am thinking it might be nice if Hasselbeck does not extend with Seattle and we can pick him up for a couple years.
01-20-2011 10:19 AM #2
I prefer trading down and going for someone like Mallet or that Mizzou guy who's name I forget. But, trading down is not always that easy. Cam's body type and mobility make me think of Big Ben. I don't know if he'll be that good - or any good at all - but he sure is an intriguing pick.
01-20-2011 10:27 AM #3
If all we're worried about is Cam's issues because of his father, that's fine with me. He's not getting arrested, he's not being accused of raping women or beating them up...he sounds like a good guy.
He's definitely a talent, to be sure...however no matter what QB we take, I hope we give them at LEAST half a season on the bench to pick up on things.
At any rate, Cam Newton would generate a ton of buzz for the Skins and that's what Danny seems to thrive on. We can't go an offseason without dominating the headlines somehow, some way. There'd be a bunch of ESPN coverage on our camp, there'd be a Cam Newton watch and a ton of jerseys sold. All of those things add up to Washington as a likely destination for him if he's still on the board at #10.
01-20-2011 11:40 AM #4
01-20-2011 12:09 PM #5
The more I learn about Newton, the less I like him. I don't care if he is not getting arrested (yet), where there is smoke there is fire. If a kid can't do the little things to show he has integrity before the money starts rolling in, then he is going to go full retard when he cashes the first million dollar check.
Participating in the "my father did it" charade also irks me. I'm not buying it for a second. If the Redskins draft him, I'll root for him--I won't even necessarily disagree with the pick because it will mean he is the best QB available and we NEED a QB--but I will be nervous that we are going to end up with a Haynesworth at QB situation.
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01-20-2011 12:37 PM #6
01-20-2011 12:39 PM #7
01-20-2011 12:41 PM #8
There was the laptop issue, and I don't remember if he actually stole it or not. Regardless, he was in possession of a stolen laptop and he got in trouble for that. The father thing, whatever...plenty of players have accepted money or gifts or other items in order to play for a college. Reggie Bush immediately leaps to mind but I don't think of Reggie as a bad guy. It's as moreof an issue with the NCAA and their ridiculous rules and regulations on things (which is another thread for another time) as it is a character issue.
Haynesworth is what he is...10 pounds of %$#@ in a 5 pound bag. Newton is a young kid, there's no reason to think that even if he has had some questionable incidents in his past that he can't grow up and mature. Comparing where Haynesworth and Newton are in their respective lives and careers isn't a fair comparison at all.
There's no evidence that Newton is going to go "full retard" when he receives a million dollar check. Aside from his father, there's no questionable associations, there's no DUI arrests, there's no drug incidents, there's no giant character issues or flaws. In every interview I've seen with him, he's come across as a humble, intelligent and religious guy. Now he might be giving lip service but I see a kid who is maturing.
01-20-2011 01:00 PM #9
I see this as one of those years with like 4-5 QB in the first round and 2 of them do anything decent. with 20-40% odds we better be doing out homework and eliminating guesswork.
Still wish we had gotten Bradford, he's going to be so scary good next year. Pro Bowl, I called it here first.
01-20-2011 01:28 PM #10
I'm not sure I see the same thing as you do in the interviews. I see a guy who is learning how to say the right things and not take the bait. That's a function of better PR coaching more than an indication of maturation (although admittedly not mutually exclusive). We have character problems in our locker room. QB is the most important position in both leadership and on-field performance. I want a guy with high character at that position to lead by example, not lip service. He's not exactly killing it on that front yet.
Not to mention that the experts vary wildly on his on-the-field potential. I'm no QB evaluator (not by a long shot), but I trust McShay over the agent-pandering Kiper. If McShay doesn't have him in the first round....that's the biggest red flag of all.
01-20-2011 04:09 PM #11
Newton reminds me to much of Vince Young. Does anybody think he projects to be better than Young? Id rather trade down and pick up more picks to fill the numerous holes we have. One more year with Rex and Beck on a rebuilding team wont hurt.
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01-20-2011 09:37 PM #14
Keep in mind that Kiper had the Redskins taking Claussen at #4 last year.
I'll also add that I doubt that Mallet would be a Shanahan guy because he's pretty lead-footed. Locker may be a guy that they want. However, I'd like to get him later than #10 overall, but you have Minnesota, Miami, and Seattle who also may go after QBs.
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01-20-2011 10:17 PM #15