Vince Young (as reported) and other possible QB Targets (POLL)

[JDubs]

Pretty sure there are a couple options on the end that no team will pick up (good sized options and bonuses that are not guaranteed). For all intents and purposes there is 1 year and $5.4m left on his deal. The option for next year is like $7.2m and then after that there is a $20m bonus no one is going to pay, and some option salaries for 13-15, all non-guaranteed. 2012 isn't even guaranteed. So really, if he doesn't perform well and gets let go, he's not going to get paid on that next contract. If he does perform well this year, a team could keep him for an avg. salary and let him go year after, which he will ALSO need to perform to make sure he gets paid on THAT contract. He's basically year to year until he signs a new deal.

So what your saying is, every year is a contract year until the contract expires? Well, shoot, let's keep him.

In all seriousness, I just don't think teams will pony up for a guy with so much baggage and who we are going to cut anyways. I hope they do, but I just can't logically justify it. The only team that would do that is the Cerrato Redskins and that doesn't help. Maaaybe, the Raiders. I think we need to pull some strings to get Cerrato another GM job. That's where the real payoff is.

[allstar1579]

That helps...But 4-5 million for that walking pile of poop is still too much when you consider the baggage he brings.

TO at his worse was 100 times better to have on your team than this guy.

Yeah, don't get me wrong I intensely dislike the guy. The only signing I hated more than him was Sanders. I just really studied that contract when he signed it cause it seemed fishy to me and noticed that there were a TON of loopholes and tricks in it. If some other team had a similar salary they were willing to swap and take a risk I would be ALL for it, no matter who it is. Was kinda hoping CIN might wanna trade Ochocinco for him, but that's too much of a pipe dream me thinks.

[allstar1579]

So what your saying is, every year is a contract year until the contract expires? Well, shoot, let's keep him.

In all seriousness, I just don't think teams will pony up for a guy with so much baggage and who we are going to cut anyways. I hope they do, but I just can't logically justify it. The only team that would do that is the Cerrato Redskins and that doesn't help. Maaaybe, the Raiders. I think we need to pull some strings to get Cerrato another GM job. That's where the real payoff is.

Yeah I agree, the only thing we MIGHT have going for trade value is since we are on the hook for this year's salary regardless if we cut him or not, they've shown they are willing to pretty much just bench him, eat the salary and waste a year of his productivity for another team. Now next year when we could be off the hook for the money they would let him go, but I could see them keeping him on the bench again if they don't get anything and cut him next year. Salary dump for salary dump could be attractive come training camp time.

[JDubs]

Yeah I agree, the only thing we MIGHT have going for trade value is since we are on the hook for this year's salary regardless if we cut him or not, they've shown they are willing to pretty much just bench him, eat the salary and waste a year of his productivity for another team. Now next year when we could be off the hook for the money they would let him go, but I could see them keeping him on the bench again if they don't get anything and cut him next year. Salary dump for salary dump could be attractive come training camp time.

Yeah, this is also true. I guess we'll just have to let it play out. Can't say it will be very interesting to watch though. I wouldn't mind going through one more offseason conditioning test saga.

[OrioleMagic]

Do you have Burgundy colored sunglasses on?

With that contract and the headache he has been, there is no way AH has any value unless you are dealing with a moron. He is worse than TO ever was.

I might have burgundy tinted sunglasses, but I like to think I can take them off when needed. Snyder as the owner forces us Skin fans to do that sometimes anyway. Haynesworth's contract is very attractive. IIRC, he has 9 M remaining for 2-3 years of playing time. Snyder paid everything up front.

We can disagree on this one. He is worth something. Not top level DT value, but also not "nothing".

[allstar1579]

I might have burgundy tinted sunglasses, but I like to think I can take them off when needed. Snyder as the owner forces us Skin fans to do that sometimes anyway. Haynesworth's contract is very attractive. IIRC, he has 9 M remaining for 3 years of playing time. Snyder paid everything up front.

We can disagree on this one. He is worth something. Not top level DT value, but also not "nothing".

Less than that. See my previous post, I found the details, this year is the last guaranteed at $5m, and everything else is non-g.

[Sports Guy]

I might have burgundy tinted sunglasses, but I like to think I can take them off when needed. Snyder as the owner forces us Skin fans to do that sometimes anyway. Haynesworth's contract is very attractive. IIRC, he has 9 M remaining for 2-3 years of playing time. Snyder paid everything up front.

We can disagree on this one. He is worth something. Not top level DT value, but also not "nothing".

Sure, I bet some team would give up a 5th round pick for him...maybe.

But a guy like Orton? LOL...Zero chance of that. Way too many teams need a QB and he is better than what he gets credit for.

The contract does make him a little more valuable but he is a giant douche bag, who was just arrested and is nothing but a clubhouse cancer.

[OrioleMagic]

Sure, I bet some team would give up a 5th round pick for him...maybe.

But a guy like Orton? LOL...Zero chance of that. Way too many teams need a QB and he is better than what he gets credit for.

The contract does make him a little more valuable but he is a giant douche bag, who was just arrested and is nothing but a clubhouse cancer.

I can't argue with any of this. The Orton/Haynesworth deal is clearly just a local Denver rumor. I'd be happy with a trade for a young OL with some potential (which is probably a rough 5th round pick) or a special teams guy... anyone who can contribute in some fashion. Maybe we get lucky and someone gives us a little more, because they don't want to have to compete for his services on the FA market, and maybe they have a coach who has a prior relationship with him like Philly. Yes, he is a douche bag.

[allstar1579]

Sure, I bet some team would give up a 5th round pick for him...maybe.

But a guy like Orton? LOL...Zero chance of that. Way too many teams need a QB and he is better than what he gets credit for.

The contract does make him a little more valuable but he is a giant douche bag, who was just arrested and is nothing but a clubhouse cancer.

Hmmm, you know I was completely right there with you until this morning. Now I'm seeing more and more rumors that Orton isn't going to make the team, and if they aren't going to keep him it would make sense if they traded him (and his contract) for an expiring deal or a potential hole-filler at another position. Still don't think it's real likely, especially cause there are other teams looking for veteran or stop gap QBs so Orton should have a little value, but still enough to get me thinking...

[Sports Guy]

I can't argue with any of this. The Orton/Haynesworth deal is clearly just a local Denver rumor. I'd be happy with a trade for a young OL with some potential (which is probably a rough 5th round pick) or a special teams guy... anyone who can contribute in some fashion. Maybe we get lucky and someone gives us a little more, because they don't want to have to compete for his services on the FA market, and maybe they have a coach who has a prior relationship with him like Philly. Yes, he is a douche bag.

The shame of it all is he probably can still be a very good contributor. He is older now but also hasn't played a lot the last year or so, so his body should be rested.

[JDubs]

Hmmm, you know I was completely right there with you until this morning. Now I'm seeing more and more rumors that Orton isn't going to make the team, and if they aren't going to keep him it would make sense if they traded him (and his contract) for an expiring deal or a potential hole-filler at another position. Still don't think it's real likely, especially cause there are other teams looking for veteran or stop gap QBs so Orton should have a little value, but still enough to get me thinking...

If this is the case, then my urgency to go get Orton just went through the roof. He seems like the perfect game manager for the Shanahan offense. Although a potential Orton/Grossman reunion does make me a little nauseous.

[Sports Guy]

Hmmm, you know I was completely right there with you until this morning. Now I'm seeing more and more rumors that Orton isn't going to make the team, and if they aren't going to keep him it would make sense if they traded him (and his contract) for an expiring deal or a potential hole-filler at another position. Still don't think it's real likely, especially cause there are other teams looking for veteran or stop gap QBs so Orton should have a little value, but still enough to get me thinking...

There are too many teams that need a QB for Denver to take back that headache straight up.

Now, I guess there is some chance where Denver is enamored by AH but that's hard to believe right now.

I also could see something where they take on AH and get a 3rdish round pick as well.

But look at all the teams that need some kind of solid QB. Pretty much the entire NFC west needs a QB...Minnesota, Buffalo...Tennessee could maybe use one.

There are likely more that I am just forgetting off of the top of my head.

Just no way they can't do better than AH...again, unless they are so enamored by him and his upside that they think he is as good as it gets...but that's just hard to believe IMO.

[JDubs]

For the record, while I really, really want the Skins to go and get Orton, I do not believe a deal will happen centered on AH and Orton. If anything, it will look like...

Centerpiece Redskins Player X/Draft Pick(s)
Possible AH throw in

for

Kyle "Neck-Beard" Orton

Also, it makes entirely too much sense for it to actually happen.

[ccbird]

Forgive me for asking this, but is there any chance McNabb is back?? I know it's assumed he won't be back but is it a lock?? Did Shanny or anyone else in the organization say NcNabb would be released before the lockout begun.

[backwardsk]

Forgive me for asking this, but is there any chance McNabb is back?? I know it's assumed he won't be back but is it a lock?? Did Shanny or anyone else in the organization say NcNabb would be released before the lockout begun.

He won't be released, IMO. But he won't be back. Shanahan has never said that publicly, and he wouldn't, but they'll split. They won't get what they gave up for him, but there are enough teams out there that'll want a QB. I would imagine Minnesota, Miami, and Arizona would be the top three destinations.