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[The Wedge]

but fan response did help Peter Dinklage get the role of Tyrion Lannister, IIRC.

The fact that he's in a small handful of dwarf actors with the acting chops to actually play Tyrion probably helped just as much. Try picturing Warwick Davis in the role. Now clean up your vomit.

[The Wedge]

I'm kinda curious to see how they restructure the "Arstan Whitebeard" story arc. I mean, they either have to abandon the alias altogether, or he's got to be masked. Otherwise, it's going to obvious to everyone watching that it's Barristan Selmy. Hiding his identity (albeit somewhat poorly) with a name change is kind of a literary device.

[Mooreisbetter27]

Agreed on all counts. From the Red Wedding to Joffrey's demise to Lysa's reveal to Zombie Catelyn's emergence, it's almost hard to put down the book during the last 400+ pages of A Storm of Swords.

A Feast of Crows is kind off a letdown (considering they're holding off on the Jon/Daeny/Tyrion chapters for A Feast of Crows) after the events of the third book, but it's good in it's own right. A Dance with Dragons can't get here soon enough!

Wanna know my reaction to the Red Wedding? I threw the book across the room in anger. I was so upset.

I waited like 10 minutes, went over and picked the book up... re read the passage, then closed it quietly with the bookmark to gather my thoughts.

Sooo... at least that part wasn't very hard for me to "put down".

[JamesI]

I'm kinda curious to see how they restructure the "Arstan Whitebeard" story arc. I mean, they either have to abandon the alias altogether, or he's got to be masked. Otherwise, it's going to obvious to everyone watching that it's Barristan Selmy. Hiding his identity (albeit somewhat poorly) with a name change is kind of a literary device.

I've been wondering this myself. They might just have to accept it will be obvious to the audience.

Oh, and after some thought, I think the mystery POV character almost has to be Osha.

[ChaosLex]

Wanna know my reaction to the Red Wedding? I threw the book across the room in anger. I was so upset.

I waited like 10 minutes, went over and picked the book up... re read the passage, then closed it quietly with the bookmark to gather my thoughts.

Sooo... at least that part wasn't very hard for me to "put down".

There were a lot of people miffed at HBO (?) after Ned's death. I can only imagine what the reaction is going to be to the Red Wedding. LOL

[Spoonless]

There were a lot of people miffed at HBO (?) after Ned's death. I can only imagine what the reaction is going to be to the Red Wedding. LOL

I think there will be a ton of outrage, for sure, but at that point in the story, there are certainly more "main characters" with their developing plotlines going on that it'll be easier to divert focus to them afterwards.

By that point in tthe book, I was totally roped in by Dany, Jon, Tyrion, and Arya that it wasn't so terrible. I was still shocked and kind of mad, but there were more characters that I was invested in at that point than when Ned was killed off.

[allstar1579]

I think there will be a ton of outrage, for sure, but at that point in the story, there are certainly more "main characters" with their developing plotlines going on that it'll be easier to divert focus to them afterwards.

By that point in tthe book, I was totally roped in by Dany, Jon, Tyrion, and Arya that it wasn't so terrible. I was still shocked and kind of mad, but there were more characters that I was invested in at that point than when Ned was killed off.

Yeah I think the mistake people are making right now as thinking that ONE house is the main character and the rest are antagonists, when it seems (I haven't read the books yet) that it's more like one character from each of the houses that are the important ones, eventually having to come together to fight against the real threat. I've already pieced that much together, it's just hard to convey that in a TV show where you get much more detail and backstory in the books.

[Spoonless]

Yeah I think the mistake people are making right now as thinking that ONE house is the main character and the rest are antagonists, when it seems (I haven't read the books yet) that it's more like one character from each of the houses that are the important ones, eventually having to come together to fight against the real threat. I've already pieced that much together, it's just hard to convey that in a TV show where you get much more detail and backstory in the books.

I think the show did the first book justice. What you say is sort of true, about the other houses having characters that are central to the story, not as foils for a single protagonist, but as protagonists in their own rights. The first book (and therefore the first season), to me, was GRRM setting up your basic fantasy tropes and then tearing down your preconceptions of how the tale will go.

[allstar1579]

I think the show did the first book justice. What you say is sort of true, about the other houses having characters that are central to the story, not as foils for a single protagonist, but as protagonists in their own rights. The first book (and therefore the first season), to me, was GRRM setting up your basic fantasy tropes and then tearing down your preconceptions of how the tale will go.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't fit the typical mold you are used to. I got the impression that it wasn't the big picture, and if you step back and see the whole series as Humans versus Winter-thingys, then he is setting up a team of leaders for the real battle. Of all the Lannisters, the only two remotely likely enough to come together for the greater good are Tyrion or Jamie. Dany is the heavy hitter and all that's left of her family. I thought from the beginning that the Stark family was about the younger kids more than the older crew, and there was something special about Jon for him to be part of the family, but really not. It's pretty cool writing, I probably need to go get the books and read them I guess, I did the same thing for True Blood, watched the first season, got interested enough to go get the books and read the rest of the series. HBO is good at that.

[ChaosLex]

Ya know how Jaime throws Cersei's letter in the fire at the end of A Feast of Crows? Once Cersei gets out of jail (like it's not going to happen), I could see her sentencing him to death. It would truly be epic if someone from the Night's Watch was present and offered to make him a brother.

Just an idea anyway.

[soxluvmywieters]

Yeah I think the mistake people are making right now as thinking that ONE house is the main character and the rest are antagonists, when it seems (I haven't read the books yet) that it's more like one character from each of the houses that are the important ones, eventually having to come together to fight against the real threat. I've already pieced that much together, it's just hard to convey that in a TV show where you get much more detail and backstory in the books.

Their seems to be a constant pattern, as soon as it seems everything is going right for a specific character, something really bad happens to them.
Ned figuring out the Lannister secret; boom dead.
Robb winning every battle and startingto change the tide of the war; boom red wedding.
Jamie about to be home and safe; Vargo Hoat takes his sword hand making him alot less of a badass.
Dany finally on her way back home with the love of her life, boom hes
Killed by a sorceress.
List goes on and on.

This series seems to have a certain sort of realistic humanity to it. The good guys don't always win, and the bad guys don't always lose. You never truly know what's going to happen. Peyter Baylesh seems to be the only person in the series truly winning at every corner.

[Spoonless]

That just means Littlefinger's downfall is going to be exceptionally messy.

[JamesI]

That just means Littlefinger's downfall is going to be exceptionally messy.

Downfall being especially appropriate as he deserves to go out the moon door.

[Gurgi]

That just means Littlefinger's downfall is going to be exceptionally messy.

I predict that Sansa gets older and more cunning and somehow turns the tables on him and either gets rid of him or dominates him in some way.

[ChaosLex]

So, Margaery Tyrell has been cast...