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05-18-2011 01:07 PM #16
Do y'all think it's the Tyrell's (specifically, the grandmother) that arranged Joffrey's demise?
05-18-2011 01:46 PM #17
05-18-2011 03:55 PM #18
So, who believes in R+L=J? I do.
05-18-2011 04:01 PM #19
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05-18-2011 04:10 PM #21
When you get right down to it, though, with Jon taking the Black (and now being Lord Commander) his parentage really doesn't matter much in the political sense. However, if you look at it from the end game standpoint: all the machinations are going to mean very little against the Others. But dragons, just may. And who has dragons? And how could they maybe get her to focus her attention north?
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05-18-2011 05:32 PM #22
Personally, I hope that Jon and Daeny marry and rule the realm as King and Queen together. True, she's *technically* his aunt (if Rhaegar is his father), but it's not like incest was uncommon among the Dragon lords.
05-18-2011 08:11 PM #23
05-18-2011 08:17 PM #24
He couldnt of told Robert because Robert would of had it killed outright. As a insult to him and mainly because the son would of been a major rallying personage for everyone with a gripe against the new King.
That has to be what is behind Neds idiotic position that they shouldnt kill Danny. Frankly Danny should be killed.
05-18-2011 08:46 PM #25
05-20-2011 06:16 AM #26
You know, as much as I hate the Lannister's, you have to give it to them. Unlike the Starks, they actually seem well-versed in playing the "game of thrones." There's far too much honor amongst the Stark clan.
05-20-2011 07:52 AM #27
In general. And the Starks are decimated for it. However, it can be easily argued that they had their proirities focused north, not south.
Plus, delving further in to Cersei makes it clear that she's not as smart and cunning as she seems, she's scared and lucky. Once things start to unravel for her, they unravel fast.
05-20-2011 10:53 AM #28
I think it was just mostly Ned who wasn't prepared. Catelyn, being a Tully, clearly had the political savvy to perhaps temper Ned. Robb does fairly well under her tutelage until he makes his massive mistake. Ned seemed to be content to just hold the North, and it's obvious how out of touch he had grown with Robert when he finds the state of the kingdom to be what it was.
05-20-2011 11:43 AM #29
Eh, Cat is kind of a weird example. She was easily manipulated, and deciding to "arrest" Tyrion was a pretty big emotional blunder. She was savvy enough to parlay politically along the Trident (including knowing how volatile Walder Frey would be).
Speaking of, am I imagining it or was it revealed that Robb was set up with Jeyne Westerling specifically to screw him with Frey?
05-20-2011 11:50 AM #30
Cat is responsible directly for her husband and sons death. Her kidnapping Tyrion lead to Ned being killed and her release of Jaimie lead directly to the conspiracy against Robb with that northern lord who lost two sons to Jaimie. She is a trainwreck of emotion. She emotes and destroys.