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    Quote Originally Posted by Dipper9 View Post
    I'd like to eventually see the interview, but in the meantime, is there anything in there we didn't already know?
    Shawn goes through the day leading up to the Montreal Screwjob pretty in depth. He talks about the conversations he had with Vince and HHH, and how it was basically HHH who came with the plan of screwing Bret. I wouldn't necessarily say anything is groundbreaking, but for me personally it was really interesting to see how these two started out as pretty close friends, started to grow apart, ended up not really liking each other too much, then the Montreal event. They also discuss their reconciliation. Both of them were near or in tears talking about this, about how much they both needed it.

    Shawn has become a very religious man and seems to be able to realize that he was a cocky dbag, particularly whenever he was blowing up in the mid-late 90s. Both of them reflecting on their careers and in particular, how their careers were intertwined, was just awesome to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamwolff11 View Post
    Shawn goes through the day leading up to the Montreal Screwjob pretty in depth. He talks about the conversations he had with Vince and HHH, and how it was basically HHH who came with the plan of screwing Bret. I wouldn't necessarily say anything is groundbreaking, but for me personally it was really interesting to see how these two started out as pretty close friends, started to grow apart, ended up not really liking each other too much, then the Montreal event. They also discuss their reconciliation. Both of them were near or in tears talking about this, about how much they both needed it.

    Shawn has become a very religious man and seems to be able to realize that he was a cocky dbag, particularly whenever he was blowing up in the mid-late 90s. Both of them reflecting on their careers and in particular, how their careers were intertwined, was just awesome to me.
    Sounds really good. I'm gonna have to check this out. I'm always a sucker for a tear jerker, and these guys were two of the best in ring performers for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dipper9 View Post
    I'd like to eventually see the interview, but in the meantime, is there anything in there we didn't already know?
    Apparently they discuss that Michaels asked Bret Hart to join Hall, Nash, HHH, and HBK when they were forming the behind the scenes "klique" and after a few conversations Hart didn't like that big players would only look out for themselves. Could be old news though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAD View Post
    Apparently they discuss that Michaels asked Bret Hart to join Hall, Nash, HHH, and HBK when they were forming the behind the scenes "klique" and after a few conversations Hart didn't like that big players would only look out for themselves. Could be old news though.
    I did not know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAD View Post
    Apparently they discuss that Michaels asked Bret Hart to join Hall, Nash, HHH, and HBK when they were forming the behind the scenes "klique" and after a few conversations Hart didn't like that big players would only look out for themselves. Could be old news though.
    Bret talks about this in his book a little. Best wrestling book I've ever read, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dipper9 View Post
    Sounds really good. I'm gonna have to check this out. I'm always a sucker for a tear jerker, and these guys were two of the best in ring performers for a very long time.
    They really were. It's amazing to me to watch how flawless most of their matches were. They were also #1 and #2 for me, with Bret being my favorite.

    I mean, just legitimately watch this match. Their Iron man match from Wrestlemani XII. Just impressive wrestling skills that you really don't see much any more. Bret said in the dvd that this match was amazing, in that for 60 minutes, the match went nearly EXACTLY how the planned it.
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    Reposting my lost post... The Muppets being added to the Raw show this past Monday was a terrible decision for the WWE. I was very disappointed that they are becoming a joke of an organization. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pappas View Post
    Reposting my lost post... The Muppets being added to the Raw show this past Monday was a terrible decision for the WWE. I was very disappointed that they are becoming a joke of an organization. Sad.
    I think I posted something like "meh, the Muppets are popular, WWE has continually been trying to reach out to a mainstream audience, I found it pretty entertaining."

    There was also some discussion on the Rock and Cena (hell turn) that got deleted when the site went down. Cena vs. Rock is huge. Its big. It will bring in casual fans at least once. I know many are growing tired (or long ago did) of John Cena, but its only because the company has had only him for the most part over the past several years. Orton, Edge, all of these guys are great, but he is the only person on the same page as Hogan and Rock/Austin (all things considered). Sure there has been HBK, HHH, and Undertaker but all of them have been part time.

    While Cena vs. Rock is huge, and will be huge, a Cena heel turn would really turn the world over. It would be as big (when you consider today's universe) as Hogan turning on Savage et al and joining the NWO. The WWE would never let it happen but it would be epic. It would allow Punk or Orton or whoever gets the lead role against him to potentially jump into that elite category that so few entertainers get to be. It would also just shake up the whole company. As smart as Vince is I just can't believe that hes refused to do this. I know that Cena is their draw, and he is their marketing piece, but they could really change the way things work, I think they could make that merchandise up, and its not like his new stuff wouldn't sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAD View Post
    There was also some discussion on the Rock and Cena (hell turn) that got deleted when the site went down. Cena vs. Rock is huge. Its big. It will bring in casual fans at least once. I know many are growing tired (or long ago did) of John Cena, but its only because the company has had only him for the most part over the past several years. Orton, Edge, all of these guys are great, but he is the only person on the same page as Hogan and Rock/Austin (all things considered). Sure there has been HBK, HHH, and Undertaker but all of them have been part time.

    While Cena vs. Rock is huge, and will be huge, a Cena heel turn would really turn the world over. It would be as big (when you consider today's universe) as Hogan turning on Savage et al and joining the NWO. The WWE would never let it happen but it would be epic. It would allow Punk or Orton or whoever gets the lead role against him to potentially jump into that elite category that so few entertainers get to be. It would also just shake up the whole company. As smart as Vince is I just can't believe that hes refused to do this. I know that Cena is their draw, and he is their marketing piece, but they could really change the way things work, I think they could make that merchandise up, and its not like his new stuff wouldn't sell.
    Cena turning heel would bring me back to caring again... I agree with you that it NEEDS to happen.

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    Making Cena a heel is the only thing that makes sense.

    My guess is some angle will be done where, no matter what the outcome is, Cena will turn heel because everyone will like The Rock better and he will play the card of, "i have been here, he left you and you boo him and cheer for me", etc....

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    I thought the Muppets on RAW was stupid, and it still kind of is, up until I saw the replay last night on Smackdown where Kermit did an impression of The Rock, complete with vocal elongation of the word smell. That had me laughing pretty hard.

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    Besides the obvious things already mentioned like fan popularity and merchandise sales the reason I don;t see a Cena heel turn is because he truly believes in what he is doing as a face and a positive role model. Yeah, Hogan had his whole say your prayers, take your vitamins thing back in the 80's as the super face but it was clearly shtick. You knew Hulk Hogan was a character. For better or worse, Cena is Cena. I think he truly believes in his motto and is true to himself which I actually respect. I just think he would personally fight the heel turn even if thats what the writers wanted to do.

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    Well, tonight is the three hour RAW with the Rock in the house, and probably the return of Mick Foley. Should be interesting if nothing else.

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    Okay...gonna make a call here,

    Tonight, during the Michael Cole challenge, either Foley or the Rock himself will come out to stand up for JR and layeth the smacketh down on Cole's candy ass.

    At least, that's what I hope for because I can't stands any more of Michael Cole!

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    JEricho announces on his twitter that he will never wrestle for WWE again.

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