Pro Wrestling Thread

[waroriole]

I'd love to see them bring in a masked (or with wicked make-up) big brute team... mysterious guys (WWE could go all-out to keep who they are a secret) who simply bring the pain. They'd be monstrous men with vicious take-no-prisoners attitudes like the Road Warriors or Demolition, the Twin Towers, or Kronik. Perhaps a 7-footer like Steve Slocum (Jackson Andrews in the WWE) who was released earlier this year, could return and be one of the two. Ah well, it seems like if done right, it'd be pretty cool. =)

Also, just because guys aren't good on the mic doesn't mean they can't have great value. BRING BACK MANAGERS to do the hyping/interviews for them!

If they would do things like this, I might start watching again. The heel managers were a big part of what made WWF so good back in the 80's and early 90's. There just isn't another Bobby the Brain, and that's a shame.

Also, the matches now seem secondary to the smack talking. It used to be that the match was the entertaining part of a show.

Another thing that they just can't recreate is the amazing chemistry between Jesse Ventura and Gorilla Monsoon. Those two guys were as big a reason for the WWF's success has almost anything.

[Sports Guy]

If they would do things like this, I might start watching again. The heel managers were a big part of what made WWF so good back in the 80's and early 90's. There just isn't another Bobby the Brain, and that's a shame.

Also, the matches now seem secondary to the smack talking. It used to be that the match was the entertaining part of a show.

Another thing that they just can't recreate is the amazing chemistry between Jesse Ventura and Gorilla Monsoon. Those two guys were as big a reason for the WWF's success has almost anything.

There was talk of having Michael Cole be a manager because he is so hated.

You also saw Vicki recruiting another wrestler to put in her stable.

The problem with tag teams are some of them get so good, that they eventually break them up. Look at Miz and Morrison.

Very few stay together for any length of time, so its hard to really get the tag team division moving.

[Greg Pappas]

An odd Raw... WWE is not AS predictable as before. That's a good thing.

[Dipper9]

Apparently there have been some good "twitter wars" going on recently between Punk and Austin and Miz and Jericho. Now, these could be just friends having some fun, or as with Rock and Cena, it could be WWE planting the seeds for a program with these guys. Mania next year maybe have a current stars vs legends theme?

Rock vs Cena
Austin vs Punk
Jericho vs Miz
Taker vs I don't know...Del Rio?
Mick Foley vs ????

Could be VERY interesting. The wrestling at the actual event wouldn't be great, but GD would the build be strong as hell and the buyrate would be off the charts!

[Greg Pappas]

Apparently there have been some good "twitter wars" going on recently between Punk and Austin and Miz and Jericho. Now, these could be just friends having some fun, or as with Rock and Cena, it could be WWE planting the seeds for a program with these guys. Mania next year maybe have a current stars vs legends theme?

Rock vs Cena
Austin vs Punk
Jericho vs Miz
Taker vs I don't know...Del Rio?
Mick Foley vs ????

Could be VERY interesting. The wrestling at the actual event wouldn't be great, but GD would the build be strong as hell and the buyrate would be off the charts!

You know, this wouldn't surprise me at all. I didn't know about Miz/Jericho. I do know that Jericho had a few comments about Punk though.

Again, you may be onto something.

[adamwolff11]

Apparently there have been some good "twitter wars" going on recently between Punk and Austin and Miz and Jericho. Now, these could be just friends having some fun, or as with Rock and Cena, it could be WWE planting the seeds for a program with these guys. Mania next year maybe have a current stars vs legends theme?

Rock vs Cena
Austin vs Punk
Jericho vs Miz
Taker vs I don't know...Del Rio?
Mick Foley vs ????

Could be VERY interesting. The wrestling at the actual event wouldn't be great, but GD would the build be strong as hell and the buyrate would be off the charts!

That would be a really, really good card. Here's hoping!

Also, I think it was a great move to have Kofi and Bourne win the tag titles. The tag division has been sooo weak and I think those guys can give it a shot in the arm. HHH has said the getting the tag division going again is a priority, so we'll see. Also, it looks like Truth and Miz have formed an alliance, so perhaps they'll be challenging for the titles? I will say, if they get those two teams established as legit tag teams, that could set up for the most interesting tag team match in quite awhile. Again, here's hoping!

[Dipper9]

That would be a really, really good card. Here's hoping!

Also, I think it was a great move to have Kofi and Bourne win the tag titles. The tag division has been sooo weak and I think those guys can give it a shot in the arm. HHH has said the getting the tag division going again is a priority, so we'll see. Also, it looks like Truth and Miz have formed an alliance, so perhaps they'll be challenging for the titles? I will say, if they get those two teams established as legit tag teams, that could set up for the most interesting tag team match in quite awhile. Again, here's hoping!

I'm not a big fan of neither Kofi nor Borne, but as a team I am intrigued, especially if it can get the tag division kick started. Remember the original Survivor Series? They had a ten team Survivor match. ANY of those ten teams today could come in and be the best team in the WWE today. I miss good tag team wrestling with teams who stayed together. The WWE always has good teams and then breaks them up as soon as they become successful.

[Dipper9]

That would be a really, really good card. Here's hoping!

Also, I think it was a great move to have Kofi and Bourne win the tag titles. The tag division has been sooo weak and I think those guys can give it a shot in the arm. HHH has said the getting the tag division going again is a priority, so we'll see. Also, it looks like Truth and Miz have formed an alliance, so perhaps they'll be challenging for the titles? I will say, if they get those two teams established as legit tag teams, that could set up for the most interesting tag team match in quite awhile. Again, here's hoping!

Oh, I forgot one other one too that I think they are setting up for....Christian vs Edge! I know Edge is injured and retired, but if there is one man he would trust enough with his health in a match, it would be his pal Christian!

[adamwolff11]

I'm not a big fan of neither Kofi nor Borne, but as a team I am intrigued, especially if it can get the tag division kick started. Remember the original Survivor Series? They had a ten team Survivor match. ANY of those ten teams today could come in and be the best team in the WWE today. I miss good tag team wrestling with teams who stayed together. The WWE always has good teams and then breaks them up as soon as they become successful.

Agree on everything in this post. WWE breaks the tag teams up way too soon. It used to be a pretty big shock when tag teams would break up. I was shocked when Shawn Michaels turned on Marty Janetty or when Scott Steiner turned on Rick. Those teams, especially the Steiners, had been established for quite awhile, and it just adds to the intrigue whenever one of those teams split. When a team is together for a few months and splits, it's just a "Oh, they're moving on. No big deal."

I think HHH will get the tag division turned around and I think overall he's going to do good things for the product. WWE, as Greg said, hasn't been predictable for the last few shows, which is a lot more than I could say about the previous..at least 6 months, probably more. It's moving in a nice direction.

[Greg Pappas]

Bourne and Kingston are a solid tag-team, and are decent as current 'Champions', but I hope HHH's vision of improving the TT Division comes to fruition in short order. We need 'real' TT Champs. Miz and Truth are a good combination, yet I'd prefer Miz to remain as a viable single's contender and occasional champ.

The Briscoe Brothers from RoH may be coming in time, but what other current tag teams could be brought in to bring glory and proper respect to the TT Division? I want to see at least 6 strong teams.

[Dipper9]

Bourne and Kingston are a solid tag-team, and are decent as current 'Champions', but I hope HHH's vision of improving the TT Division comes to fruition in short order. We need 'real' TT Champs. Miz and Truth are a good combination, yet I'd prefer Miz to remain as a viable single's contender and occasional champ.

The Briscoe Brothers from RoH may be coming in time, but what other current tag teams could be brought in to bring glory and proper respect to the TT Division? I want to see at least 6 strong teams.

I think you have to build the teams up. Let them compete for months and months and "earn" title shots, like they used to do. in recent history (say maybe even the past 10 years) every new team that comes in is immediately thrown into the title picture, wins the belts, holds them for a little while, loses them, then splits up and goes onto other things. The WWE has just completely dropped the ball with the Tag Division. Off the top of my head, teams that should not have been broken up include The original MnM, the World's Greatest Tag Team, Rhodes and DiBiasi, Nexus, Ryder and his partner, hell, even guys like the Spirit Squad and Santino and Kozlov should have stayed together. That's 7 teams just off of memory. Add in the Hart Dynasty, the young Somoan team whose names escape me, and Bourne and Kofi, and that's a ten team division right there.

[adamwolff11]

I think you have to build the teams up. Let them compete for months and months and "earn" title shots, like they used to do. in recent history (say maybe even the past 10 years) every new team that comes in is immediately thrown into the title picture, wins the belts, holds them for a little while, loses them, then splits up and goes onto other things. The WWE has just completely dropped the ball with the Tag Division. Off the top of my head, teams that should not have been broken up include The original MnM, the World's Greatest Tag Team, Rhodes and DiBiasi, Nexus, Ryder and his partner, hell, even guys like the Spirit Squad and Santino and Kozlov should have stayed together. That's 7 teams just off of memory. Add in the Hart Dynasty, the young Somoan team whose names escape me, and Bourne and Kofi, and that's a ten team division right there.

The Usos. Everything I've read lately has implied that they have a really bright future in wrestling. I've only seen a few of their matches, but it seems like they could be a valuable team to have, as two guys who are starting as a tag team, obviously being legit brothers. It's nice to have some teams like they to go along with the random pairings of wrestlers.

Completely agree with the handling of the tag division though. I was happy to see Bourne and Kingston win the title, because on their own neither was doing much for me and in this role they can likely thrive, but I really question how quickly they did it. It would have been nice to see them win a few other matches, maybe lose once or twice for the title (perhaps getting cheated or winning by dq or something), thus setting up a match at the PPV and a bit of a rivalry, with them ultimately getting the belts. It just seems WWE is in such a hurry with things anymore. I will say though, they've done a pretty good job with the HHH/CM Punk/Nash thing though, a couple weeks without clear answers on what the hell is going on has made for intriguing TV.

[Dipper9]

The Usos. Everything I've read lately has implied that they have a really bright future in wrestling. I've only seen a few of their matches, but it seems like they could be a valuable team to have, as two guys who are starting as a tag team, obviously being legit brothers. It's nice to have some teams like they to go along with the random pairings of wrestlers.

Completely agree with the handling of the tag division though. I was happy to see Bourne and Kingston win the title, because on their own neither was doing much for me and in this role they can likely thrive, but I really question how quickly they did it. It would have been nice to see them win a few other matches, maybe lose once or twice for the title (perhaps getting cheated or winning by dq or something), thus setting up a match at the PPV and a bit of a rivalry, with them ultimately getting the belts. It just seems WWE is in such a hurry with things anymore. I will say though, they've done a pretty good job with the HHH/CM Punk/Nash thing though, a couple weeks without clear answers on what the hell is going on has made for intriguing TV.

My prediction...this all ends with the Cliq holding hands in the middle of the ring. I can even see HBK coming back, getting between Nash and Trips while they are arguing, and then WHAM, Sweet Chin Music to Punk as he is standing idly by. Punk then feuds with the Cliq for the rest of the year before starting his program with....

[Greg Pappas]

The rumored Punk/Austin WM match would be HUGE, and would pop roughly as well as Rock/Cena. Jericho/Miz would be fun, and I could see that. Obviously an Era vs Era vibe would be at the core of the event, and could be truly special. If that is the idea, then I'd love to see a formerly great tag-team challenge again for the TT belts. But who? Hmmmmmm, how about the New Age Outlaws!?

[adamwolff11]

Punk/Nash has been announced for Night of Champions. Really interested to see what Nash has left in the tank. Thought it was interesting he came out to NWO music tonight.

Big announcement IMO was that from now on the Smackdown superstars would be on Raw. The Raw guys will also be on the live Smackdown tomorrow, so hopefully this is a movement towards a merging of the two shows. Would be a really strong move I think.