Pro Wrestling Thread

[MikeAD]

Yeah, weird on Nash taking both of them out and HHH and Nash going at it. More to come I guess.

Disappointed that Cena won over Del Rio, I hope they do this feud right.

[Sports Guy]

Yeah, weird on Nash taking both of them out and HHH and Nash going at it. More to come I guess.

Disappointed that Cena won over Del Rio, I hope they do this feud right.

Maybe wwe realizes no one cares about Del Rio?

I see The Rock and Cena will be doing a Survivor Series match together(traditional 5 on 5).

[Dipper9]

Maybe wwe realizes no one cares about Del Rio?

I see The Rock and Cena will be doing a Survivor Series match together(traditional 5 on 5).

Weird that they have Cena and Rock tagging. It would make WAY more sense having them on separate teams, but I guess they don't want them actually facing each other until Mania.

As for Cena winning the strap again, I have mixed feelings. I absolutely LOATHE that Cena is the champion again, as that along with Trips beating Punk just shows the old adage the more things change, the more they stay the same. On the other hand, Del Rio isn't ready to be the champ. They need to stop throwing the titles on the young guys who have yet to figure out how to work a crowd. I'm talking about Swagger, Del Rio, even Sheamus. They threw the title on these guys too fast before allowing them to really develop in the ring and on the mic. I guess now we'll have Cena as champ all the way through Mania so they can have Cena vs Rock be a title match, which I think is a HUGE mistake. Cena vs Rock will sell on its own. You could then have another main event somewhere with the WWE Title. I hope they don't screw this up, but after reading about last night's event and the upcoming SS tag match, I have a feeling they will.

[Sports Guy]

Weird that they have Cena and Rock tagging. It would make WAY more sense having them on separate teams, but I guess they don't want them actually facing each other until Mania.

As for Cena winning the strap again, I have mixed feelings. I absolutely LOATHE that Cena is the champion again, as that along with Trips beating Punk just shows the old adage the more things change, the more they stay the same. On the other hand, Del Rio isn't ready to be the champ. They need to stop throwing the titles on the young guys who have yet to figure out how to work a crowd. I'm talking about Swagger, Del Rio, even Sheamus. They threw the title on these guys too fast before allowing them to really develop in the ring and on the mic. I guess now we'll have Cena as champ all the way through Mania so they can have Cena vs Rock be a title match, which I think is a HUGE mistake. Cena vs Rock will sell on its own. You could then have another main event somewhere with the WWE Title. I hope they don't screw this up, but after reading about last night's event and the upcoming SS tag match, I have a feeling they will.

I highly doubt Cena is the champ at Mania. If he is, and it is a title match, then you know he is going to win the match. They aren't going to have the The Rock win the belt.

[ShaneDawg85]

I have no vested interest in it, and I haven't paid nearly enough attention to know how good of a performer he really is, but from an entertainment and showman standpoint, Albert Del Rio may be one of the worst WWE Champions ever. Even masked Kane or Big Show was and is more entertaining than Del Rio. Every monologue I've heard from him is awful, and while Cena winning is bad in terms of variety and new blood, just based on entertainment value alone it has to be exponentially better.

[Sports Guy]

I have no vested interest in it, and I haven't paid nearly enough attention to know how good of a performer he really is, but from an entertainment and showman standpoint, Albert Del Rio may be one of the worst WWE Champions ever. Even masked Kane or Big Show was and is more entertaining than Del Rio. Every monologue I've heard from him is awful, and while Cena winning is bad in terms of variety and new blood, just based on entertainment value alone it has to be exponentially better.

Right. Del Rio is really bad.

I know they wanted to have that Mexican champion but this is a guy who said he wanted to retire in like 5 years. He really isn't that great and the never sold him as a legit star.

I think that's why they took the belt from him. He was the champ for their mexican tour, they saw they he never got over with the crowd and they took the belt away.

I don't get why he gets a push like this but Drew McIntyre doesn't.

[Dipper9]

Right. Del Rio is really bad.

I know they wanted to have that Mexican champion but this is a guy who said he wanted to retire in like 5 years. He really isn't that great and the never sold him as a legit star.

I think that's why they took the belt from him. He was the champ for their mexican tour, they saw they he never got over with the crowd and they took the belt away.

I don't get why he gets a push like this but Drew McIntyre doesn't.

Drew McIntyre is the Nolan Reimold of the WWE!

[adamwolff11]

I enjoyed the PPV. As often happens, by the time the main event rolls around, I've got a healthy buzz on. So while some of the specifics may be rather hazy, I know it was enjoyable.

I thought the tag match was very enjoyable. A win like this helps legitimize Air Boom and Miz/Truth are very entertaining. It was predictable that Nash interfered in the Trips/Punk match, but not as predictable that he would take them both out.

Cena winning the title is gross, but Del Rio isn't really deserving. A win over Cena would have helped him, and Cena getting it back is annoying as hell, but whatever.

I was actually happy Henry won the title. He's finally being booked like he should have. It's frustrating that a year ago this guy was jobbing to mid card guys and now he's a monster, but such is the WWE. If you think about it too much, you'll ruin it for yourself.

All in all, good PPV!

[MikeAD]

Well I actually watched Raw tonight.

Early on Del Rio vs Cena vs Punk triple threat at Hell in a Cell for the Title and a tag team match tonight..Punk/Cena vs. Truth and Miz.

Cena and Punk win the match and Triple H fires Truth and Miz, they gang up on HHH in the back and HHH literally has them thrown out.

Bizarre. So now that they are fired they are most certainly with Nash as some sort of Outsider group, however, how do they debut with Punk in the triple threat match? Maybe Punk is just out of this mix?

[Dipper9]

Hell in a Cell PPV in 2 weeks already? Yikes. The new announced main events of Cena vs Punk vs Del Rio in the HIAC and Mark Henry vs Orton in theHIAC should be outstanding. I'm really enjoying Mark Henry over the past few months, and I hope they let him win again at HIAC. I also want to see Punk come out of the PPV with the title back.

As for Raw, I like the two title matches made for the PPV, I like the storyline with Punk/Trips/Miz/Truth/Nash, and I like Swagger getting back on track. What I don't like is the execution of the story. John L is awful on the microphone. Just awful. I also don't like how they are telegraphing everything. Its WAY too obvious that John L, Miz, Truth, and Nash are in cahoots. So the WWE is either going to have to 1) drop a bombshell, like having Punk go heel again as the leader of this group, or 2) go lazy and just continue telling the story that everyone sees coming, ie John L is leading Nash, Miz, and Truth, or 3) dip to the same well for the umpteenth time and have Vinnie Mac come back to lead this group. I don't like any of those scenarios.

I would, however, like to see Del Rio added to that group, and I hope that's where they go. Punk wins the title at HIAC. Del Rio gets a rematch at Survivor Series against Punk while Cena and Rock go play in a 5 on 5 elimination match, and during the title match Del Rio's troops of Nash, Miz, Truth, and John L come down and destroy Punk.

But we'll see what happens I guess.

[Sports Guy]

Yea..I think its trending towards the obvious right now but I also don't see anything wrong with that.

A group with Nash, Miz and R Truth as the "outsiders"...John L(who I agree is awful) playing the "Bischoff role".

Wouldn't shock me to see Mark Henry as part of this group...He talked yesterday about guys like Jim Ross underappreciating him and things like that.

Del Rio will be in it for sure because he wants HHH out.

The surprise could very well be Punk. The fact that he pointed the finger at John L leads you to think the other way.

Not to mention, I thought I read where John L had Punk cover HHH the other night, after they both got beat up.

[MikeAD]

Yea..I think its trending towards the obvious right now but I also don't see anything wrong with that.

A group with Nash, Miz and R Truth as the "outsiders"...John L(who I agree is awful) playing the "Bischoff role".

Wouldn't shock me to see Mark Henry as part of this group...He talked yesterday about guys like Jim Ross underappreciating him and things like that.

Del Rio will be in it for sure because he wants HHH out.

The surprise could very well be Punk. The fact that he pointed the finger at John L leads you to think the other way.

Not to mention, I thought I read where John L had Punk cover HHH the other night, after they both got beat up.

The thing is thats a huge group. Nash, Miz and Truth is a decent size, you would just need the World Title guy, and that's either del Rio, Punk or Henry. If it is all or more than one of them, I am already bored. Then you just have to see 5 on 5 tag matches until the cows come home.

[Sports Guy]

The thing is thats a huge group. Nash, Miz and Truth is a decent size, you would just need the World Title guy, and that's either del Rio, Punk or Henry. If it is all or more than one of them, I am already bored. Then you just have to see 5 on 5 tag matches until the cows come home.

Yea but the NWO was way bigger than that.

Nexus started off with like 7 or 8 guys.

Usually, the concept of most of these groups is strength in numbers and since Nash apparently isn't going to do much wrestling(if any), they need actual wrestlers and they need some bigger names.

NAsh has come out to the NWO music...Punk has dropped the idea of the "kliq" coming back together, etc...

All of those things are usually little hints that add up to something larger.

[MikeAD]

Yea but the NWO was way bigger than that.

Nexus started off with like 7 or 8 guys.

Usually, the concept of most of these groups is strength in numbers and since Nash apparently isn't going to do much wrestling(if any), they need actual wrestlers and they need some bigger names.

NAsh has come out to the NWO music...Punk has dropped the idea of the "kliq" coming back together, etc...

All of those things are usually little hints that add up to something larger.

Yeah but the good ones are small. NWO didn't start off huge. DX was two guys when it started, plus Chyna then Rude, then so on, it got pretty big but it was never MASSIVE, same with the Nation of Domination. Evolution, Legacy, 4 Horseman, all these stables were good and small. I don't want to see some sort of 6 person deal the first night.

The Corre and Nexus were sort of boring, outside of Punk they had no real crowd reaction. The Corporation and the Ministry were both big, and then there was the monstrosity of the Corporate Ministry, but that was a time when WWE could literally do no wrong.

[Dipper9]

Yeah but the good ones are small. NWO didn't start off huge. DX was two guys when it started, plus Chyna then Rude, then so on, it got pretty big but it was never MASSIVE, same with the Nation of Domination. Evolution, Legacy, 4 Horseman, all these stables were good and small. I don't want to see some sort of 6 person deal the first night.

The Corre and Nexus were sort of boring, outside of Punk they had no real crowd reaction. The Corporation and the Ministry were both big, and then there was the monstrosity of the Corporate Ministry, but that was a time when WWE could literally do no wrong.

Del Rio, Nash, Miz, and Truth with John L as the corporate leader would be my first choice.

Replace Del Rio with Punk as my second choice, but if they do that they will destroy Punk's push! He'll still be over but not to the extent that he may go if he continues to Stone Cold version 11 character.