Future QB Thread

[OrioleMagic]

WalterFootball.com had this to say:

Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Congratulations to the Colts for winning the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. Losing to Blaine Gabbert proved to be difficult, but the players did what it took to ensure that this franchise will have great quarterbacking for at least another decade.

We all know this pick will be Andrew Luck. What we don't know is what will happen to Peyton Manning.

I don't think Manning will be back because he would count too much against the cap. I've been writing that the Chiefs are a possibility, but I now believe that the Redskins and Jets are the two favorites to land him in a trade (if possible) or free agency.

Regardless, Indianapolis is beginning anew with Luck.

Maybe Peyton is coming to Washington...

This I don't see us being stupid enough to do! He is wacked in the head for even writing it.

Washington Redskins: Landry "Lance" Jones, QB, Oklahoma
This is a major reach, but most quarterbacks go much higher than they should on Draft Day. Just look at last April with Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder, or in previous years with Kyle Boller and J.P. Losman.

Unless Washington acquires Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn, it has to obtain a signal-caller in this spot because another year of Rex Grossman would be disastrous. Don't count out a trade either. Deals in the top five are now very possible because of the new CBA, so the Redskins could easily move up to No. 3 for Robert Griffin.

The Vikings, by the way, could target Riley Reiff, Dre Kirkpatrick or Quinton Coples down here, while possibly securing a first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

[allstar1579]

WalterFootball.com had this to say:



Maybe Peyton is coming to Washington...

This I don't see us being stupid enough to do! He is wacked in the head for even writing it.

I could vaguely see the Peyton thing happen, because that is a LOT of money to pay a QB you aren't sure if he can play, and drafting Luck would make all that money look pretty bad.

I would probably rather risk going with Flynn over Peyton if both FA, just because Flynn is younger and if you hit with him you could compete for 5-6 years, if you hit with Peyton you've got MAYBE 2 years in you and are back to looking for a QB.

[backwardsk]

Regarding jones: if Flynn and manning sign elsewhere, and luck and griffin are selected in the top 5, then I'd prefer to trade back like last year and get Tannehill. However, that is risky because someone might pick him earlier than he should go. I really believe they thought one of locker, ponder, or Dalton would be available in the 2nd last year.

I'm not trying to pretend, that I can evaluate qbs, but I really like what I've read about Tannehill. Though it would be very exciting to have RGIII as the face of the franchise.

[OrioleMagic]

Regarding jones: if Flynn and manning sign elsewhere, and luck and griffin are selected in the top 5, then I'd prefer to trade back like last year and get Tannehill. However, that is risky because someone might pick him earlier than he should go. I really believe they thought one of locker, ponder, or Dalton would be available in the 2nd last year.

I'm not trying to pretend, that I can evaluate qbs, but I really like what I've read about Tannehill. Though it would be very exciting to have RGIII as the face of the franchise.

I can't imagine Snyder letting an FA get away, if he is truly wanted by Shanahan, Allen, and Snyder. I think it they'll go the FA route. Trading up would cost too much.

I love the idea of trading down like we did last year. I also like grabbing a QB after the first round, but I think Moore should be that QB over any of the others out there projected for the later rounds. If we sign Manning, we need to grab a late round QB for depth.

[backwardsk]

In the hypothetical I made, I'm making the assumption that they aren't wild about Flynn and that manning is not a fit due to where they are in the rebuild and the related cost. Shanahan's had the opportunity to grab some of the other FAs like jc, vy, and Orton, but passed.

They have multiple 4ths and 5ths. I'd have no problem with grabbing Moore there as a 3rd qb. Another guy who is only two years removed from college that I'd take a flyer on is Tony pike. I don't even know if he's still in carolina or not,but I liked him coming out of cincy.

Just to get all crazy, what if the bears are ready to move on from cutler? They fired martz, but maybe that move was to appease cutler. However, after the MNF Detroit game, they did well when they decided that it may nice to leave in a blocker or two. Likelihood of that happening is probably less than 10%.

[Moose Milligan]

I should have clarified my statement about Flynn...

I was listening to the morning drive show on 980 AM in DC on Tuesday morning and they were all hanging on Flynn's jock. Seems like a lot of others are after Sunday, too. If you said he was a good fit before Sunday, that's fine.

I can't help but wonder what the past 15-16 years of Redskins football would look like if they had a stud franchise QB or two. After seeing how much Peyton Manning meant to the Colts, I've been thinking about what it'd be like if we had a great QB on some of these teams.

[Don Quixote]

After seeing how much Peyton Manning meant to the Colts, I've been thinking about what it'd be like if we had a great QB on some of these teams.

I think they would have been very much in the mix on more than one occasion. Take for example the 1996 team that started out 7-1 and ended 2-6 to just miss the playoffs. Some of those late '90s/early '00s clubs could have been very legit (the '99 one perhaps moreso than it was).

[OrioleMagic]

What do you guys think about Brandon Weeden from Okla State? He is 28 years old due to attempting to be a pro baseball player, but he is projected as a 3rd round pick. (Not as our first option, but maybe right there with Kellen Moore...)

[allstar1579]

What do you guys think about Brandon Weeden from Okla State? He is 28 years old due to attempting to be a pro baseball player, but he is projected as a 3rd round pick. (Not as our first option, but maybe right there with Kellen Moore...)

I'm not interested in ANY QB that isn't Luck in the 1st or Moore in the 3rd/4th.

[OrioleMagic]

I'm not interested in ANY QB that isn't Luck in the 1st or Moore in the 3rd/4th.

I respect that, but I have to ask if you have researched or even heard enough to form an opinion on the guy?

[mweb]

I respect that, but I have to ask if you have researched or even heard enough to form an opinion on the guy?

I don't think any of us really know enough about the draft eligible QB's to form a very strong opinion on them as a group.

[The Maestro]

If it were up to me, I think I'd try to get Flynn via FA, draft Justin Blackman with our first round pick (assuming he's there), and take a flyer on Kelllen Moore in the 4th round.

There is zero chance of trading for Luck, and I'm not sure the cost to jump in front of Cleveland to get RG3 will be something this team is willing to do with the holes that still need to be filled on this team. JMO

[JDubs]

If it were up to me, I think I'd try to get Flynn via FA, draft Justin Blackman with our first round pick (assuming he's there), and take a flyer on Kelllen Moore in the 4th round.

There is zero chance of trading for Luck, and I'm not sure the cost to jump in front of Cleveland to get RG3 will be something this team is willing to do with the holes that still need to be filled on this team. JMO

I'll co-sign on this plan.

[allstar1579]

I respect that, but I have to ask if you have researched or even heard enough to form an opinion on the guy?

I have a general rule when it comes to college QB. If I haven't heard enough about them without researching (just in general sports watching and reading, I do a lot) then I'm not interested. I know it sounds odd, but EVERY SINGLE YEAR all these QB start getting "highly touted" leading up to the draft, and the ones you never really hear about before the draft are the ones that get all hyped up and fall on their face. Ryan Leaf versus Peyton, Patrick Ramsey, JP Losman, Akili Smith, etc. The only real exceptions to the rule I can think of are Brees (but I followed him all season), Brady (followed him too), Schaub (I followed him because he's in the ACC), Flacco (didn't follow him at ALL), and maybe Rothlisberger.

I mean the success rate after the first round is TINY. Moore just stands out to me as an exception much like Brees did, that's why I would take a shot on him. (I would have taken a shot on Dalton last year in the 2nd too, but I followed him all year too.) I think a QB should be more of a known quantity if you're going to draft him, not a bargain pick late in the draft. If you take one late and after a couple years he develops, then cool, but spending higher than a 4th rounder for someone that's not a "slam-dunk" kind of pick I'm not a fan of.

It's just a weird quirk of mine, he might be a fine QB, but it's just a general rule I go by, and for the most part it's been right for me.

[OrioleMagic]

If it were up to me, I think I'd try to get Flynn via FA, draft Justin Blackman with our first round pick (assuming he's there), and take a flyer on Kelllen Moore in the 4th round.

There is zero chance of trading for Luck, and I'm not sure the cost to jump in front of Cleveland to get RG3 will be something this team is willing to do with the holes that still need to be filled on this team. JMO

Agreed. This seems to be the most logical route, all things considered.

I have a general rule when it comes to college QB. If I haven't heard enough about them without researching (just in general sports watching and reading, I do a lot) then I'm not interested. I know it sounds odd, but EVERY SINGLE YEAR all these QB start getting "highly touted" leading up to the draft, and the ones you never really hear about before the draft are the ones that get all hyped up and fall on their face. Ryan Leaf versus Peyton, Patrick Ramsey, JP Losman, Akili Smith, etc. The only real exceptions to the rule I can think of are Brees (but I followed him all season), Brady (followed him too), Schaub (I followed him because he's in the ACC), Flacco (didn't follow him at ALL), and maybe Rothlisberger.

I mean the success rate after the first round is TINY. Moore just stands out to me as an exception much like Brees did, that's why I would take a shot on him. (I would have taken a shot on Dalton last year in the 2nd too, but I followed him all year too.) I think a QB should be more of a known quantity if you're going to draft him, not a bargain pick late in the draft. If you take one late and after a couple years he develops, then cool, but spending higher than a 4th rounder for someone that's not a "slam-dunk" kind of pick I'm not a fan of.

It's just a weird quirk of mine, he might be a fine QB, but it's just a general rule I go by, and for the most part it's been right for me.

That sounds good. I heard about him a while back due to his age and prior baseball career. Then I read an article yesterday that said if it weren't for the loss to Iowa, OkSt would be in the BCS Championship and it went further into Weeden's season's stats which were outstanding except for the picks versus Iowa. I was wondering if he should be considered a sleeper because many national sports pundits automatically discard him from discussion due to being 28 years old...