Future QB Thread

[ccbird]

Haha, well no offense, but I think Todd McShay is a little more qualified than you on this. That's not to say I think they'll both be there at 7, but I think it's silly to say there's no chance in December.

Because he's making a mock based on perceived needs of the teams in those spots right now and he's not making a mock involving draft trades. I would bet right now if you asked him if he expects RG3 and Barkley to both be there at 7 come draft day he would say no.

They both are underclassmen if there stock drops for whatever reason. Injury, bad bowl games, etc they will just go back to school. Also, very talented underclassmen QB stock almost always goes up the closer we get to the draft.

[allstar1579]

There is zero , and yes I said zero MWeb, chance both Barkley and Griffin will be there at #7. I still stick by my belief that they'll both be top 5 if they come out.

Overrating. I don't think there is much chance 3 of the top 5 picks are QB. It's not like you are talking about 3 of Luck, Barkley and Griffin both have questions about them like everyone else. Every year this time people are projecting and talking about QB and maybe a player or two somewhere else, when was the last time 3 out of the top 5 were QB? 1999? The only one that wasn't a train wreck was Donovan, and people thought he was a bit of a reach at #3. I don't think there is anyway that 3 of the teams looking for QB end up at the top. STL won't pick one, MIN won't pick one, TB probably wouldn't pick one, BUF won't pick one. You'd have to get 3 of WAS, IND, MIA and CLE all in the top 5 to happen, and with STL and MIN so bad right now, that takes 2 of the 5 out of the running.

[ccbird]

Overrating. I don't think there is much chance 3 of the top 5 picks are QB. It's not like you are talking about 3 of Luck, Barkley and Griffin both have questions about them like everyone else. Every year this time people are projecting and talking about QB and maybe a player or two somewhere else, when was the last time 3 out of the top 5 were QB? 1999? The only one that wasn't a train wreck was Donovan, and people thought he was a bit of a reach at #3. I don't think there is anyway that 3 of the teams looking for QB end up at the top. STL won't pick one, MIN won't pick one, TB probably wouldn't pick one, BUF won't pick one. You'd have to get 3 of WAS, IND, MIA and CLE all in the top 5 to happen, and with STL and MIN so bad right now, that takes 2 of the 5 out of the running.

First of all Indy is taking Luck. Second, I would be shocked if CLeveland who is going to finish in the top 5 doesn't draft one of them. Third, I still think it's possible St Louis, Minn, or Jacksonville or possibly even Tampa are interested in a one of these guys. Thats not even bringing in to account a team like Miami who would probably look to jump ahead of the Skins to draft one.

The other thing to remember is before teams were very leery of investing in a QB early in the draft because of the cost to sign them. Now with the strict slotting system these QBs will get signed to much cheaper deals. Teams will be much more likely to take the plunge on a guy like RG3 because the cost will be much less than in previous years.

[mweb]

Because he's making a mock based on perceived needs of the teams in those spots right now and he's not making a mock involving draft trades. I would bet right now if you asked him if he expects RG3 and Barkley to both be there at 7 come draft day he would say no.

They both are underclassmen if there stock drops for whatever reason. Injury, bad bowl games, etc they will just go back to school. Also, very talented underclassmen QB stock almost always goes up the closer we get to the draft.

What teams would trade up though? If his perceived needs are right and the Browns don't take a QB, why would the Skins and Dolphins need to trade up? Some possibilities with the Chiefs and Seahawks, but they're far from a sure thing to try to move up for a QB.

I tend to agree that both wouldn't make it to 7, but again, to say it's not even a question in December is silly. I don't get how you're coming up with these definitive statements about the draft in December. Blaine Gabbert was projected to be the 1st pick for awhile, but fell to 10th. Ponder was thought of as a 2nd round pick and then went 12th. Mallet was once thought of as a top half of the first round pick and then went 74th.

Things change between this time of year and the draft. Your point about them going back to school if their stock drops would really only be the case if they dropped a lot. At this point, neither have to drop at all for one or both to not be in the top 5. They both aren't even rated in the top 5 by Kiper or McShay.

It's certainly possible that all 3 get taken in the top 5, but it doesn't make any sense to proclaim that a certainty at this point with so many unknowns.

BTW, if either returns to school because their stock drops, that doesn't get you out of your guaranteed top 5 pick statement.

[allstar1579]

First of all Indy is taking Luck. Second, I would be shocked if CLeveland who is going to finish in the top 5 doesn't draft one of them. Third, I still think it's possible St Louis, Minn, or Jacksonville or possibly even Tampa are interested in a one of these guys. Thats not even bringing in to account a team like Miami who would probably look to jump ahead of the Skins to draft one.

The other thing to remember is before teams were very leery of investing in a QB early in the draft because of the cost to sign them. Now with the strict slotting system these QBs will get signed to much cheaper deals. Teams will be much more likely to take the plunge on a guy like RG3 because the cost will be much less than in previous years.

You can't say there is NO CHANCE that guys will last like that when you are counting on teams to trade up, that is ASSUMING someone pulls off a trade, which is harder than you think.

I wouldn't be shocked to see CLE take one, I put them in that group, I'm just not convinced they end up top 5, they have 4 wins right now. IND will either take Luck or trade to someone who will, so that's one in the top 5, I just don't think 2 of the next 4 are Barkley and Griffin. Barkley with questions about his raw tools and Griffin about his concussion, when there are other needs out there. Kalil is going in the top 5 (STL) so 2 of the next 3 have to be those guys, and I feel like some defensive player or two is going to work their way up in there.

[backwardsk]

Indy beats Jax next week. Washington trades up with Stl to get luck. Boom goes the dynamite.

[allstar1579]

Indy beats Jax next week. Washington trades up with Stl to get luck. Boom goes the dynamite.

That would be epic. I would swap firsts, trade T. Williams, and a 2nd next year to STL, and then use our 2nd rounder on a T (unless Smith really can play, and this isn't a fluke).

[OrioleMagic]

Indy beats Jax next week. Washington trades up with Stl to get luck. Boom goes the dynamite.

STL will trade Bradford 10 times before they trade Luck even .00001 time. Luck is going to the #1 pick for keeps. He will not be traded.

(Just a passionate opinion of course.)

[backwardsk]

STL will trade Bradford 10 times before they trade Luck even .00001 time. Luck is going to the #1 pick for keeps. He will not be traded.

(Just a passionate opinion of course.)

Who will pick up Bradford's contract with the new CBA?

[ccbird]

Who will pick up Bradford's contract with the new CBA?

Someone will even if SLl has to trade him for less than ideal value. Maybe they only get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him but I think the Rams would take that and start over with Luck vs Bradford.


BTW I thought I heard that if Indy and StL and Min all tie for the worse record that Indy still gets the #1 pick. Same if it's just Indy and St Louis. I did here there was a chance Minn could possibly overtake Indy if just those two are tied.

[Floater]

Someone will even if SLl has to trade him for less than ideal value. Maybe they only get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him but I think the Rams would take that and start over with Luck vs Bradford.


BTW I thought I heard that if Indy and StL and Min all tie for the worse record that Indy still gets the #1 pick. Same if it's just Indy and St Louis. I did here there was a chance Minn could possibly overtake Indy if just those two are tied.

It goes by lowest strength of schedule and Indy is tied for the 3rd highest. They wouldn't pick ahead of Minny or STL

[allstar1579]

Someone will even if SLl has to trade him for less than ideal value. Maybe they only get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him but I think the Rams would take that and start over with Luck vs Bradford.


BTW I thought I heard that if Indy and StL and Min all tie for the worse record that Indy still gets the #1 pick. Same if it's just Indy and St Louis. I did here there was a chance Minn could possibly overtake Indy if just those two are tied.

No way they dump Bradford for a 2nd or 3rd (if I'm the Skins I am HAPPY to make that trade 14 times a week). More likely that they would draft Kalil to protect him properly. Even if they decided to switch to Luck, they wouldn't trade Bradford for anything less than some serious protection for him. Maybe they draft Luck, and then trade Bradford for T. Williams and our first rounder that they use on an OL. Instant OL for Luck, we get Bradford and use our 2nd rounder to replace Williams.

I think that is extremely far fetched though, I think Bradford is their guy and they get him some help, but if they are going to take that route I absolutely see them trading down once to give someone Luck and get a small ransom for it to speed along the process.

[ccbird]

No way they dump Bradford for a 2nd or 3rd (if I'm the Skins I am HAPPY to make that trade 14 times a week). More likely that they would draft Kalil to protect him properly. Even if they decided to switch to Luck, they wouldn't trade Bradford for anything less than some serious protection for him. Maybe they draft Luck, and then trade Bradford for T. Williams and our first rounder that they use on an OL. Instant OL for Luck, we get Bradford and use our 2nd rounder to replace Williams.

I think that is extremely far fetched though, I think Bradford is their guy and they get him some help, but if they are going to take that route I absolutely see them trading down once to give someone Luck and get a small ransom for it to speed along the process.

Its not far fetched at all. Luck>>>Bradford in most people eyes at this point. Bradford isn't that good and Luck is considered the best QB prospect out of college since Peyton. I agree that they would probably be able to get more for Bradford but someone else posted making it seem like his contract was some sort of issue as far as trading him was concerned.

[Floater]

Only 2 of the last 19 Super Winning teams did not have a franchise QB and both had AMAZING defenses. If the opportunity is there, you have to be willing to pay up to get the franchise QB. This is the best chance the Skins have had at one in a while.

[Moose Milligan]

Is there any way the Skins don't take a QB?