Future QB Thread

[allstar1579]

Just the concussion keeping you from taking Griffin?

Kiper was talking about Moore being a late round pick, in large part due to his height. Nothing wrong with taking a chance on him if that's the case.

The concussion, and just personal preference. I like pocket passers with lots of smarts and poise. I don't fault teams for taking the more athletic guys, but I see them fail more than succeed so for me personally I look for that smart QB with the pocket presence and accuracy.

Moore reminds me a lot of Brees for some reason, just a gut feeling, but I had a similar feeling about Tom Brady when he was at Michigan, and Brees at Purdue. Enough I'd use a mid-rounder on him if he's being projected later, just to take the gamble.

[allstar1579]

Best case scenario, he is what Alex Smith is this year for the 49ers.

I will argue that with you. Bradford is much better than the results showed this year. You can't judge an injured QB and say, oh he sucks. He was injured all year. Also, his OL was terrible, and he had no one to throw to until the last couple weeks when he and Lloyd were on the field at the same time. Luck would have been awful on this team too.

Bradford is better than Stafford, and he had some bursts of being fantastic this year. It's easy to judge someone superficially from the outside based on results, but you have to look deeper than that to make a real evaluation. Were his throws off target? Were they off target while he was being pressured? He's been sacked 36 times in 10 games, and fumbled 10 times because of it. That's hard to win games with. That's almost 4 times a game he's getting sacked. They are not bad decision sacks either. Horrible OL. The guy was the ROY, I don't know how you say he's bad and compare him to Rex Grossman.

[mweb]

I'm thinking that if RG3 is in the draft, he won't be around for the Skins. With only 2 QBs now being in the "top tier", that (IMO) increases the chances that someone trades up. So, that seems to leave the Skins with Landry Jones in round 1 (as a possible reach), or waiting for some lower tier guys.

So...

What lower tier QBs do you want them to take a chance on? Personally, I'd like to see Kellen Moore given a look.

Well the Skins could be the team that trades up if they need to.

[mweb]

The concussion, and just personal preference. I like pocket passers with lots of smarts and poise. I don't fault teams for taking the more athletic guys, but I see them fail more than succeed so for me personally I look for that smart QB with the pocket presence and accuracy.

Moore reminds me a lot of Brees for some reason, just a gut feeling, but I had a similar feeling about Tom Brady when he was at Michigan, and Brees at Purdue. Enough I'd use a mid-rounder on him if he's being projected later, just to take the gamble.

I think he showed that he is a smart pocket passer this year. He just happens to be a world class athlete as well.

Not many great athletes have been as good of pocket passers as this guy imo.

[OrioleMagic]

A college FB pundit on ESPN just said he does not expect Kellen Moore to go any higher than the 5th round.

[allstar1579]

I think he showed that he is a smart pocket passer this year. He just happens to be a world class athlete as well.

Not many great athletes have been as good of pocket passers as this guy imo.

I don't follow him that closely, that's why I said I really have no major reason, just personal preference. I wouldn't talk him down or hate on someone for taking him, I just wouldn't do it myself.

How would you compare him and Cam Newton (cause I think Cam has people rethinking evaluating these guys).

[allstar1579]

A college FB pundit on ESPN just said he does not expect Kellen Moore to go any higher than the 5th round.

Yeah I would jump on him in the 4th then if that's the case. If the biggest thing working against him is his size, I can get over that. Same knock was on Chase Daniel, and he's done pretty well for himself as the backup in NO.

[The Maestro]

Yeah I would jump on him in the 4th then if that's the case. If the biggest thing working against him is his size, I can get over that. Same knock was on Chase Daniel, and he's done pretty well for himself as the backup in NO.

Couldnt agree more.The Skins won't be in a position to draft RG3, especially when they win tomorrow, so taking a flier on Moore in the 4th or 5th round would be intriguing. Besides, this team has many holes to fill and RT and CB should be pretty high on the list.

[allstar1579]

Couldnt agree more.The Skins won't be in a position to draft RG3, especially when they win tomorrow, so taking a flier on Moore in the 4th or 5th round would be intriguing. Besides, this team has many holes to fill and RT and CB should be pretty high on the list.

Yeah, I mean the problem we have here is that Shanny is a fit the players to MY system guy, instead of a fit MY system to MY players guy. So he's not going to change anything depending on who is available. That is independent of defense though, so I think if we aren't going to get that clear cut franchise QB, then we focus on the defense, and let him mix and match leftovers that work in his system.

I would be totally fine signing Matt Flynn and drafting Moore to give him a chance to develop under Kyle S. I drew the comparison to Flynn being the next Schaub, it'd be interesting if it happened under the same OC wouldn't it?

[mweb]

I don't follow him that closely, that's why I said I really have no major reason, just personal preference. I wouldn't talk him down or hate on someone for taking him, I just wouldn't do it myself.

How would you compare him and Cam Newton (cause I think Cam has people rethinking evaluating these guys).

Griffin has been a more polished pocket QB in college and was relied upon to throw the ball much more. He ran much less than Cam.

[Moose Milligan]

Am I the only one who thinks there's a possibility that Luck doesn't go #1?

[allstar1579]

Am I the only one who thinks there's a possibility that Luck doesn't go #1?

I touched on it a little bit before. I could see STL not getting an offer it likes and taking Kalil #1 instead. I could see IND taking a piece to help out Peyton instead of replacing him. I could imagine a couple of these scenarios but I think they are slim compared to the odds that Luck gets taken #1 by whoever gets the pick, or whoever trades up to it. I saw the other day 3 #1's as potential to move up to it, and that is assuming it's a team in the top 5.

[OrioleMagic]

Am I the only one who thinks there's a possibility that Luck doesn't go #1?

I think Luck is a LOCK for the #1 pick. If he is believed to be the best QB prospect since Peyton, NO TEAM will pass on him unless a trade is negotiated in advance... and even that is slim IMHO. ESPN pundits rave about Luck putting up the numbers he has with almost no one as a supporting cast. Barkley on the other hand has arguably better stats, but has quite a few highly touted team-mates.

I really can't see Indy or STL picking someone else ahead of Luck.

[backwardsk]

Let's say that there is a lock that a team picking ahead of the redskins takes griffin. How much would you offer Stl for Luck? For Bradford?

Would you risk missing out on those two and take the kid from A&M in the second?

Regarding Moore, I wouldn't mind them using a 5-7 round pick on him as their second qb.

[allstar1579]

Let's say that there is a lock that a team picking ahead of the redskins takes griffin. How much would you offer Stl for Luck? For Bradford?

Would you risk missing out on those two and take the kid from A&M in the second?

Regarding Moore, I wouldn't mind them using a 5-7 round pick on him as their second qb.

I would trade T. Williams, this years first rounder and a first rounder next year (that's 3 firsts) to STL for the pick. I feel like Smith outplayed Williams in his couple games, which makes me think he's just not a good fit for the zone blocking scheme, and he's a knucklehead. One positive test away from a full year's suspension is enough for me to look to deal him if I can. If that won't do it, I would trade this year's entire draft for it, and I'd think hard about the next 3 first, but that means trading ZERO draft picks any other time.