Future QB Thread

[allstar1579]

Agreed. This seems to be the most logical route, all things considered.



That sounds good. I heard about him a while back due to his age and prior baseball career. Then I read an article yesterday that said if it weren't for the loss to Iowa, OkSt would be in the BCS Championship and it went further into Weeden's season's stats which were outstanding except for the picks versus Iowa. I was wondering if he should be considered a sleeper because many national sports pundits automatically discard him from discussion due to being 28 years old...

Yeah I'm sure that's a good chunk of it. You might see him go somewhere in the 3rd/4th and he might be more ready to be a backup than most, but I don't think he's starter material, and that old he's got less time/room to improve to the possibility of being a starter. Like I said, not that he's a bad player I'm sure, it's the just the way I weed out the insane overrating of QB prospects that happens every year.

[JDubs]

I have a general rule when it comes to college QB. If I haven't heard enough about them without researching (just in general sports watching and reading, I do a lot) then I'm not interested. I know it sounds odd, but EVERY SINGLE YEAR all these QB start getting "highly touted" leading up to the draft, and the ones you never really hear about before the draft are the ones that get all hyped up and fall on their face. Ryan Leaf versus Peyton, Patrick Ramsey, JP Losman, Akili Smith, etc. The only real exceptions to the rule I can think of are Brees (but I followed him all season), Brady (followed him too), Schaub (I followed him because he's in the ACC), Flacco (didn't follow him at ALL), and maybe Rothlisberger.

I mean the success rate after the first round is TINY. Moore just stands out to me as an exception much like Brees did, that's why I would take a shot on him. (I would have taken a shot on Dalton last year in the 2nd too, but I followed him all year too.) I think a QB should be more of a known quantity if you're going to draft him, not a bargain pick late in the draft. If you take one late and after a couple years he develops, then cool, but spending higher than a 4th rounder for someone that's not a "slam-dunk" kind of pick I'm not a fan of.

It's just a weird quirk of mine, he might be a fine QB, but it's just a general rule I go by, and for the most part it's been right for me.

I agree with your rule in theory, but in practice, it would have missed on Brees, Brady, Schaub, Flacco, and perhaps Roethlisberger. That's kind of a big blindspot.

[allstar1579]

I agree with your rule in theory, but in practice, it would have missed on Brees, Brady, Schaub, Flacco, and perhaps Roethlisberger. That's kind of a big blindspot.

I touched on all of them, I said as a general rule I ignore them, UNLESS they are guys not projected to be first rounders that for whatever reason caught my attention during the season. Schaub was just because he played against my terps, Brady was because he looked better than the supposed blue-chip QB before him, Brees because he put up crazy numbers for Perdue and I saw him play a couple times. Flacco and Big Ben I would have missed on though. Those are also the only 5 or so that have hit in the past like 20 years, so that's not TOO big of a blindspot. The theory being if you aren't wasting your time on them, you'd draft better with whoever you take instead.

Believe me, I never said it was the best theory, it's just the general pattern I've seen in my 25 years or so of watching this stuff, so I go with it.

[Floater]

I just watched Flynn throw in last weeks game. The way he throws and moves his feet eerily remind me of Rex. I think a real defense will eat him alive.

[JDubs]

I touched on all of them, I said as a general rule I ignore them, UNLESS they are guys not projected to be first rounders that for whatever reason caught my attention during the season. Schaub was just because he played against my terps, Brady was because he looked better than the supposed blue-chip QB before him, Brees because he put up crazy numbers for Perdue and I saw him play a couple times. Flacco and Big Ben I would have missed on though. Those are also the only 5 or so that have hit in the past like 20 years, so that's not TOO big of a blindspot. The theory being if you aren't wasting your time on them, you'd draft better with whoever you take instead.

Believe me, I never said it was the best theory, it's just the general pattern I've seen in my 25 years or so of watching this stuff, so I go with it.

Fair enough, and I'm with you philosophically. I believe that you need first round talent for the most important position in football, so I'm not trying to find the next Tom Brady. I'm looking for the next Peyton Manning. So I agree. The team needs to go find a stud QB that is worthy of the redskins tradition--not a long shot.

Sorry for nitpicking.

[allstar1579]

Fair enough, and I'm with you philosophically. I believe that you need first round talent for the most important position in football, so I'm not trying to find the next Tom Brady. I'm looking for the next Peyton Manning. So I agree. The team needs to go find a stud QB that is worthy of the redskins tradition--not a long shot.

Sorry for nitpicking.

It's cool, I expect people to nitpick, it's probably the least scientific thing I do.

[OrioleMagic]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto...ck-sources-say

Peyton???????????????

[Floater]

Shanny and the Skins staff gets to coach in the Senior Bowl for the South, so he will get an in depth, long look at Tannenhill. Plus, he only has drafted Seniors since he joined the Skins so it can only help and set the Skins up for another great draft.

[OrioleMagic]

Kiper updated his QB rankings. Here is a partial quote:

3. Nick Foles

He may have lost a little shine this season because of the way the Wildcats performed as a team, but Foles is a really solid developmental prospect. He's a big kid, at 6-foot-5 and 240 pounds, is accurate, moves and throws well to both his right and his left, and has solid mechanics. Questions for Foles start with decision-making, but I think he may have tried to force his throws too often as the team struggled, and the numbers tell some of that story. But you can draft Foles in the late first or early second round and develop him.
Grade: Late 1st to mid-2nd




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4. Ryan Tannehill

He's a really intelligent player, with a strong arm. He displays a good grasp of the offense and has come a long way in a short time -- you're talking about a former wide receiver -- and was able to put up good numbers. Tannehill is a guy with more upside than polish, and part of that stems from the fact that I have him at just 19 starts after the bowl game. He had a really rough game against Texas, which looked worse when Griffin went out and lit up the Longhorns soon after, but all in all, I still saw this as a solid growth season. Again, he's not a player a competitive NFL team wants starting games in 2012, but there are skills to work with.
Grade: Early to late 2nd



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5. Brandon Weeden

Hey, you subtract one key number, and Weeden jumps up this list. He has a big-time arm, is accurate, plays with poise and can beat you over the top. The bottom line is if you think this is a guy you want to draft and develop for a year, he might not make his first NFL start until he's 30 years old. Let's face it, that's a number nobody will overlook. It says a lot for Weeden's ability that he's in the position to be drafted at all.
Grade: Late 2nd to middle rounds

Other quarterbacks you'll see in the mix are Kirk Cousins, Ryan Lindley and BJ Coleman. And there'll be many evaluations and possible shifts to come.

I'd really love to know what Shanahan is thinking right now.

[backwardsk]

Shanny and the Skins staff gets to coach in the Senior Bowl for the South, so he will get an in depth, long look at Tannenhill. Plus, he only has drafted Seniors since he joined the Skins so it can only help and set the Skins up for another great draft.

I've never seen Tannehill throw a pass, but I've been impressed by everything i've read. Let's say Flynn signs elsewhere, luck and rgIII get picked before the sixth, it'll be a big gamble to see if he's around in the second.

[OrioleMagic]

I can't imagine Snyder, Allen, and Shanahan letting the FA QB of their choice get away. If you were Flynn would you rather play in Washington or Cleveland? or even Seattle? I guess he could see something more attractive elsewhere, but I gotta give the Skins the edge even if I am looking through burgundy and gold tinted glasses.

[OrioleMagic]

I also find it interesting that Kiper does not even mention Kellen Moore.

[OrioleMagic]

RGIII: Undecided

[erb8472]

What exactly is the fascination with Flynn? He wasn't great in College. Why all this hype after two career starts?

[allstar1579]

What exactly is the fascination with Flynn? He wasn't great in College. Why all this hype after two career starts?

I had the hype before the 2 starts. He's been understudy to one of the best QB in football for a couple years now, can throw the deep ball, and looks to have the smarts and poise you want from a QB. It's not that I want to go give him some mega contract, but things worked out pretty good for Schaub, and he broke out in Kyle's offense. Educated guess.