I'd be fine with Beck coming in now.
Oh come on, 4 INTs, 3 to the same guy.
That was a flat out boneheaded play. You run it out of bounds there and take the first down...
He's up in the bullpen.Originally Posted by mweb
Wow, a delay of game on a FG attempt. Awful.
You gotta go with beck going forward. His ability to run sets him apart.
Well Beck hasn't been impressive imo, but Rex's 4 picks leads me to the same conclusion about who to go with next week.
All you can really learn out of a quarter is that he can actually run it in the bootleg. Well, we knew that going into the season, but he doesn't turn it over.
The big concern, to me, is the left side oline injuries.
Wasted opportunity, no doubt. Need to regroup and start off this middle third with a win in Charlotte. They'll be alright. Must be a lotta dogs in heaven pissed about this game.
Total F-ing garbage. More details later.
I'd rather have incompletions than completions to the other team...
Not that Beck was great or anything, but you pretty much saw what you are going to get with him. He's going to complete about 50%, but he will make plays when he has to, like 3rd down. The running part is a nice bonus. I'd still take that over Rex.
Going to be a long season...
David Gerrard is still out there...
So, I attended this debacle yesterday. Here are some thoughts.
1. The defense played scared in the first half. It honestly looked like they were afraid of repeating the MNF disaster from last year. The DBs were still back-peddling after catches had been made. Hall was giving everyone a 13+ yard cushion. Once they got over this fear, they basically shut down the Eagles offense. Unfortunately, it was already too late.
2. Hasn't every team in football been able to run between the tackles against Philly? Why didn't the Skins try that?
3. All you "Rex is awful people"...well, you were 100% right. Every INT was 100% his fault (the first one wasn't awful).
4. Beck looked solid to me, albeit rusty to start. His mobility is very nice - especially considering the potentially devastating injuries to the OL. He provides a dimension that clearly they haven't had - and that dimension is the ability to throw a football.
5. The Eagles are not good at all. Rex gave them that game, and they refused to take it. A good team would have beaten the Skins by 21+ yesterday. I honestly believe that if the Skins had gone to Beck sooner, the win that game. Philly could do nothing in the second half...until...
6. The inability to stop the run on Philly's last drive was very disappointing. That was just pathetic.
7. Back to Rex: Probably the worst QB performance I have ever watched in person - and maybe ever.
Rex will make the headlines with his four picks, two of which would have been TDs if he had led gaffney. But the thing that ticked me off the most is their inability to score on the first possession when they started at mid field. All you have to do is move the ball 20 yards and your in FG range. That and the bs helmet-to-helmet call on Orakpo really set the tone for the day.
He got a call from Oakland. Also, when discussing Oakland, it was said that Denver might/would be interested in trading Orton for picks since hes been demoted. Theres an option too...
I wouldn't argue that these two aren't better than beck, but I don't think it does much good to bring them in. Neither are long term answers. The quarterback going forward will either be beck or a draft pick, IMO.
So I promised you guys I'd get back to you....
My car was (and still is) in the shop, so we got a ride to the game from the uncle mentioned in the OP. We were inside walking to our seats at kickoff, and as everyone saw, it didn't take long for things to get ugly. Here are some of the things I saw....
The defense was starting to set the tone early, and very well could have continued had a potential safety not turned into a roughing the passer penalty. Thanks partly to that, coverages and calls weren't well done, by and large. Much of it was the same old crap of giving up seven, eight, 10, 12 yards at a time. There was so much cushion given to some of the receivers, it looked like "The Princess and the Pea." I also didn't care for those times when the vaunted "Zero Blitz" reared its ugly head again.
In the OP I mentioned that the defense needed to be honest. Too many times, the underneath areas were wide open for long-yardage scrambles, runs and dumpoffs with too much YAC, among other plays. No matter how many players rushed on pass plays, they generally underachieved. They barely exceeded 50% of their per-game sack average, and in general did not get the job done versus a suspect offensive line. By the time they began to get it together, it was far too late to do the team any good. It's a tall enough order for the Redskins to score 20 or more points in an entire game, much less a half. Top individual performances included Fletcher, McIntosh, and Atogwe.
The offense. Jesus Christ, the offense. Rex Grossman is not "the answer," and never has been. John Beck probably isn't, either, but at least it looked like he had a little potency. Rex Grossman is bad, just downright bad. He was making me wonder if Heath Shuler was out there incognito, pulling a Brett Favre. That is the worst quarterbacking I have seen in person, and some of the worst I have ever seen in general (you get the idea from the comp what might top it). Almost every time Grossman threw a pick I could see it coming as soon as he released it. NOTE TO REX: THE OPPONENTS ARE WEARING THE WHITE JERSEYS THIS WEEK! The last one was the icing on the damned cake. In the stands people were screaming for him to run, and he had plenty of room, so of course he decided to ruin things once again. I was about apoplectic at that point. I had no idea why he was in the game beyond the first quarter, much less lasting to the end of the third quarter. He did basically nothing but ruin good field position when they had it, and squander any momentum that was built by either of the main units ("We got an interception? Oh, let me fix that."). No mobility, no presence, no inspiration. He Sucked. Yes, with a capital "s." I don't give a damn about that flea flicker - Blind Squirrel Theory.
Sure, the left side of the offensive line suffered unfortunate injuries (knee demolition for Lichtensteiger and high ankle sprain for Williams), but was that really a reason to totally abandon the running game? That just put the ball in Grossman's hands more times for him to screw the game up. Over 70% of the offensive plays were pass plays! Even when the ball was run, it was run several times in pass situations right after there were passes in run situations. A colossal mess just doesn't justly describe it.
The receiving corps had little to crow about, though given the quarterback play for the first three quarters, that's no surprise. Most of the decent plays, the few that there were, involved Fred Davis, who is now even more firmly ensconced as the primary tight end following Chris Cooley's surgery-requiring left index finger fracture. They're not totally absolved, mind you. There were plays where surer hands could have yielded some pivotal plays, especially after Beck's fourth-quarter entry into the game.
The special teams yielded mixed results. The kicking game went fairly well, with Graham Gano showing good strength on kickoffs, and connecting on a 50-yard field goal just before halftime to break the Redskins' scoring drought. Sav Rocca had another solid performance as well. Brandon Banks, however, did not do extremely well when it came to returns, owing to some poor decision-making. He had the team pinned back well within their red zone at least twice, including one occasion where the Redskins had to start from their own 5 after a penalty on an ill-advised runback.
So, a few things...maybe more later.
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