Well than look at the wildcat. Very successful in Miami for about a year. Now gone. I mean Tebow is a bigger threat with his arm than Ronnie Brown but not as a runner so similar in some ways. Not schematically similar, as Denver is spreading the field, but in that it's gimmicky and not going to last. What people have to realize is the NFL is ever evolving. You just can;t do the same thing over and over again and right now all Tebow has is his legs. Once teams figure out how to contain his running ability it's all over. Also if any team gets up by 2 Tds its pretty much over unless they give up a defensive or ST TD.Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
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I still don't undertand why a athletic MLB spy on every play wouldn't solve this problem. The dude can't throw. Don't ever blitz, drop to guys in short pass coverage with awareness to run, and put one guy 2 yards deep on the LOS to spy him on every single play.
The dude also has a clock in his head, he counts to 5, and then runs. Every single gosh darn time. Press the receivers, bump them and play them tight. Don't get him any early windows and then chase him down with MLBers that have better speed than he does. It really isn't rocket science. Rex Ryan overblitzed...as usual.
Personally...I hate the read option. I just hate it so much. I hope it becomes extinct in a hurry. That and the bubble screen are just horrible. Is it any wonder that I could never stand Rich Rodriguez?
Can I ask why you hate the read option?
Is Tebow, "Clutch?"
Well last night, Rex Ryan was "unclutch" and decided to stop doing everything that had worked for the rest of the game - all in an effort to prove he's the smartest man in the league.
I don't know if Tebow ls clutch or not. He's currently 4-1 as an 1-dimensional player. And, if he can get his accuracy up he can be a serious weapon in this league.
I thought they were saying last night on TV that Rex is not calling the defense anymore?
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Well, first of all the type of option the Broncos are running isn't exactly an exciting offense. Think about which teams use it: teams that have a lower talent level than their opponents so they need this type of offense to have a fighting chance. If you have the quarterback and receivers talented enough to add the pass, it makes the option more exciting, but it also means you don't need it to win. Plus, since it has been used in one form or another for the entire history of football (going back to rugby) defenses know how to combat it.
If you watch him play, you can see exactly why the option works. He is a smart and physical runner who has good lateral timing to get the ball to other backs. But he can't throw at all. His completions on that final drive were ducks to open receivers. The first one was a nice move by the receiver from being a safety, only because Tebow lobbed it over instead of making a sharp throw.
The nontraditional strategy is working now, simply because it is (ironically) a nontraditional strategy in the modern NFL. However, the superior athletes and defensive scheming in the pros will lead to its eventual failure. That is something everyone knows, even the Broncos, even Tebow. This is solely a temporary measure to get the team through the year until either Tebow can develop further into a more traditional NFL quarterback--who also has the extra dimension to make him very dangerous--or the team can find a better quarterback, established or prospect.
He's the HC and considers himself a defensive genius. He might not call every play, but I'm sure he can veto something if he thinks it's ridiculous.
The DC was up in the booth, I don't think there was enough time for him to veto something.
I just think it's so ******* boring. Oooh...will he hand it off or not? Run...run...run...run...run...pass...run...run...e tc. If you're gonna run the ball all the time, at least do something interesting like the wishbone or wing-t (of course...you can't run that in college football, but it's still more interesting).
So a defensive-minded HC hands off his defense to a guy in the booth and cuts himself completely out of the loop? I find that hard to believe. Don't these guys have headsets for communication? I really doubt that each defensive snap is a surprise to Rex.
What do you mean "last night?" That's always Rex Ryan's game plan. How many games did the Ravens lose against good teams because his game plan was, "We'll fool them, they'll expect us to attack like a Ravens defense, instead, we'll play passive. They'll never know what hit them."
The main thing Tebow's "success" is showing me is the same thing the Wildcat showed - everyone in the NFL wants to play the same way and hates anything different. Miami had success with the Wildcat and won a decent number of games but abandoned it because "it wasn't NFL football." In the process, they also abandoned the ability to win. They showed us.
Same with Tebow. The Broncos aren't winning because he's good. They're winning because opposing defenses have no clue how to defend against him because he doesn't do the same things every other quarterback does.
The sad thing is, Denver will find a reason to revert to what every other team does as soon as possible and will go back to losing most games. It's sad. Have you ever seen someone look as unhappy about a win as John Elway did on Thursday?
The last time a team did something different than the standard was the Rams and the greatest show on turf. It was hugely successful, but never duplicated because no one wants to risk being different, at least not to the degree necessary to find success.
Too bad, different styles of play would make the NFL even more interesting.
Its not, but maybe Rex wanted to bring some pressure on him knowing he can't throw the ball at all. Maybe he was trying to force a turnover to win the game? Maybe there was a blown assignment in the defense that enabled Tebow to roll out of the pocket so cleanly.
The point I am trying to make is I think the Rex wanted a certain style of play to be ran and the DC called the play. Why is that so hard to imagine?
A lot of head coaches got their title because they were a guru as a coordinator. Yet, when they become HC, they turnover the reigns to the coordinators they hire. John Harbaugh was a great ST coach, yet the Ravens ST suck. Billick was an offensive genius but his offenses were terrible.
Rex was a great DC and he still has a great D. Yet one play goes bad and its all on him?
Nto to mention they only have 15 seconds to call in the play to the D over the headset. You act like they were playing Madden and they could have paused the game.
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