Team FULL of knuckleheads!!!

[allstar1579]

With all the craziness and drama that is being a Redskin fan, every once in a while you get a chance to be excited because they finally make a decent draft pick. Williams for LT, Davis at TE even though we really didn't need another pass catching TE at the time.

Then you see this...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ons/index.html

And realize that they are both knuckleheads with MULTIPLE offenses of the drug policy. I mean you are a professional athlete making MILLIONS of dollars, you can't give up the weed habit for MILLIONS of dollars???

The last infraction is the most irritating because it isn't even the one they got a free pass for during the lockout, yes they tested positive yet again during the first 4 weeks after the lockout ended...but this last one is AFTER that DURING the season. HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?!?!?!?

Sorry, had to rant, I'm just so sick and tired of struggling to find the right players, and when you finally do you find out they are MORONS and are going to hurt your team more than not picking them.

[mweb]

It is stupid of them, but my rant would be more directed at the NFL and the U.S. Government for even caring. It should be legal.

[allstar1579]

It is stupid of them, but my rant would be more directed at the NFL and the U.S. Government for even caring. It should be legal.

Yeah I mean, that's another rant for another topic (I don't disagree), but illegal or not, the league has a policy against it, and you hurt your team by continuously doing it. It's just redic to pay kids that much money and they repay you like that. I really can't get over how mad I am at them. Ignoring WHAT drug it was, the fact they did it is just so stupid.

[backwardsk]

These guys are idiots. Third failed drug test? They obviously don't really care about their careers or their teammates. They are two of the better players on the team, but I don't care if they bring either back. Can't depend on them.

[allstar1579]

These guys are idiots. Third failed drug test? They obviously don't really care about their careers or their teammates. They are two of the better players on the team, but I don't care if they bring either back. Can't depend on them.

I'd look to trade them if Davis wasn't a FA, but who knows how that is all going to end now. You are right though, I wouldn't depend on them for anything anymore. I wish guys that were repeat offenders of rules like this had to forfeit their salary and play for the minimum that year.

[flashjordnk]

I'd look to trade them if Davis wasn't a FA, but who knows how that is all going to end now. You are right though, I wouldn't depend on them for anything anymore. I wish guys that were repeat offenders of rules like this had to forfeit their salary and play for the minimum that year.

Well...if you don't count on Trent Williams coming back and being a viable part of this team, that makes the road back to competitiveness a heck of a lot longer. Davis has a longer track record of not thinking, but with Williams hopefully this sinks in now.

[allstar1579]

Well...if you don't count on Trent Williams coming back and being a viable part of this team, that makes the road back to competitiveness a heck of a lot longer. Davis has a longer track record of not thinking, but with Williams hopefully this sinks in now.

See, that is the part of the article people are missing I think. Trent is JUST as bad as Davis. They both had multiple offenses prior to the lockout. Then they did it during the lockout which I guess they just saw as a free pass to do whatever they want, because players get tested in the offseason, so it's not like they can do it in a normal year. Then within 4 weeks of the lockout ending they tested positive again, which means that they did it right near the end of the lockout, when everyone knew it was coming to an end. THEN if that isn't bad enough, they get off the hook for it, and instead of learning a lesson from it, they do it AGAIN during the season and get caught for the official 3rd time and earn the 4 game ban. Trent has only been in the league for a year, and he's already got 4 positive tests. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO LEARN.

Sorry...I just really can't get over how stupid these two are. I know without our starting LT it takes longer to compete, but trade him for someone else's LT, or for a 1st rounder and draft a new one. I mean maybe he's picking up all these penalties this year because he's baked all the time. I don't know. I'm just over it.

[flashjordnk]

Hey man...I'm not here to disagree with your values or say they are wrong. If you ran a team and that's the way you wanted to run it, I respect that.

These guys are under a microscope though, all the time. And yeah they should have learned but they are just kids too. Trent Williams is 23 and honestly he probably has been treated like a god every where he goes because of how talented he is. Maybe he thought he could just get away with it. Etc. Etc.

In your world the Ravens would have cut ties with Ray Lewis after the Super Bowl. I think guys can learn. And honestly Rodney Harrison said this on TV last night. It never really sank in for him until he was suspended and watching his team from at home.

Sometimes you need that wake up call. I hope this is the case. I'm not saying everyone should be smoking pot. Or that these guys deserve ANYTHING. But I think you give them another chance after a suspension. After that, I'll agree anything is fair game.

[allstar1579]

Hey man...I'm not here to disagree with your values or say they are wrong. If you ran a team and that's the way you wanted to run it, I respect that.

These guys are under a microscope though, all the time. And yeah they should have learned but they are just kids too. Trent Williams is 23 and honestly he probably has been treated like a god every where he goes because of how talented he is. Maybe he thought he could just get away with it. Etc. Etc.

In your world the Ravens would have cut ties with Ray Lewis after the Super Bowl. I think guys can learn. And honestly Rodney Harrison said this on TV last night. It never really sank in for him until he was suspended and watching his team from at home.

Sometimes you need that wake up call. I hope this is the case. I'm not saying everyone should be smoking pot. Or that these guys deserve ANYTHING. But I think you give them another chance after a suspension. After that, I'll agree anything is fair game.

Yeah but after a suspension (and a free pass) they are on their 4th chance. Brian Mitchell said it best tonight. "They only get tested once a year, and you know when it's coming, if you get caught, you are a moron. If you get caught 2-3 times, you are REALLY a moron and don't deserve to be in the league."

I guess that's where I stand, it's not about WHAT they did, I don't care what policy it is they are breaking, it's just that these guys are supposed to be professional athletes and role models (whether they like it or not). I think that along with the multi-million dollar contracts the rest of us fantasize about, they should have to give up the ability to just run around and break whatever rules they want. If they choose to break it, make them give back their salary for that year. It's immaturity, and I get that they are still kids, but you shouldn't be allowed to still be a kid making that much money. Take it from them and give it to people who really deserve it.

[flashjordnk]

these guys are supposed to be professional athletes and role models (whether they like it or not).

So here's my issue with their statement. You operate in a perfect world and a perfect set of standards. And they sure don't exist in the NFL, but honestly I don't think those standards match up in the real world either.

My boss is supposed to be a good manager. She's supposed to care about her employees and the long term future our organization. But she neglects those duties, though whether she likes it or not, it's a big part of her job. Yet she's good at a series of other things and brings many assets to our organization. In any working situation (football or business) it's a zero sum game of talent. Sometimes, you have to hope people improve, even if they've screwed up 100 times, because the assets they bring, and the potential for them to get it through their heads could make a difference.

Would you have cut Ray Lewis after the Super Bowl?

I get that they are still kids, but you shouldn't be allowed to still be a kid making that much money

Unfortunately for a lot of these guys, it's the money that keeps them from thinking like adults...

[allstar1579]

So here's my issue with their statement. You operate in a perfect world and a perfect set of standards. And they sure don't exist in the NFL, but honestly I don't think those standards match up in the real world either.

My boss is supposed to be a good manager. She's supposed to care about her employees and the long term future our organization. But she neglects those duties, though whether she likes it or not, it's a big part of her job. Yet she's good at a series of other things and brings many assets to our organization. In any working situation (football or business) it's a zero sum game of talent. Sometimes, you have to hope people improve, even if they've screwed up 100 times, because the assets they bring, and the potential for them to get it through their heads could make a difference.

Would you have cut Ray Lewis after the Super Bowl?



Unfortunately for a lot of these guys, it's the money that keeps them from thinking like adults...

No, I don't operate like that at all. I had 2 managers that were just like that, and I fired them both last week. (Of course there is much more to the story, but gross negligence would be an understatement.) That's my point, in the real world if someone were to break major company rules 4 times in a year, they'd be unemployed. Why do professional athletes get a pass? They already get the fantasy money, why should they be exempt from accepted social and professional behavior on TOP of it. I love sports and all, but I don't put these guys on a pedestal. I expect them to act like they are supposed to act as public figures, it's the LEAST I can expect after they get 20x more money than people who deserve it more.

I'm not talking about cutting a player after one infraction, I'm talking about 2 morons who did it 4 times in a year. Ray hasn't done anything crazy like that since. He's actually been pretty much a role model since.

I just refuse to look the other way and say, well they are pro athletes with all this money, that's just what they do. Or boys will be boys. Or it's just weed. Or some of the other 20 odd excuses I've heard for them this week. If you take on that role, that contract, and that money, you need to be held accountable to behave a certain way. It's only fair. If not, like I said, take that money back and split it up among people who deserve it.

We have teachers, police and firefighters that have contracts requiring COLA and yearly salary increases (moderate, we aren't talking millions of dollars) and they are being told I'm sorry, we can't afford to pay you, regardless of what your contract says, try again next year. But it's ok to let these morons who continuously break policy, rules and the law keep their MILLIONS of dollars?? Something is seriously wrong with our society's moral compass.

[backwardsk]

The question of whether or not you'd keep ray Lewis has been asked twice. My answer would be, no, I wouldn't release him.

With Sleepy and Trent, they'd just get high. Ray would have you stabbed.

[flashjordnk]

No, I don't operate like that at all. I had 2 managers that were just like that, and I fired them both last week. (Of course there is much more to the story, but gross negligence would be an understatement.)

Well I wish I worked for you. It's not just big time football players that get away with this stuff. It's big time execs, it's the big CEOs at our banks, it's the partners at Law Firms, it's the people with unique skills (and sometimes that's just having a lot of money).

I wish the world was more like what you describe. I'm in the nonprofit sector, I wish we paid teachers more (both my parents are). But let's not pretend like Athletes aren't the only people that don't meet their social standards of decency. It might get more publicity since it's sports, but I refuse to believe it's anywhere close to as corrupt as what goes on in major companies, wall street, or even our government.

There's a lot wrong with a lot of people, but I'd rather two guys who smoked pot for a football to get a second chance over any of the guys who put us in this recession, the guys from Enron, or any CEO that took massive bailout money and paid themselves a hefty bonus with it. It's like Chris Rock said, guys like Shaq are rich...but it's the guy who signs his check that's wealthy. These rich kids that are dumb...they get crucified and a lot of people who have risked a lot on faulty mortgages cost us a lot more than that.

I wish athletes were better role models and human beings. But you know what, sometimes I wish everyone was a better role model and a better human being. And even on some days, that includes myself.

[allstar1579]

Well I wish I worked for you. It's not just big time football players that get away with this stuff. It's big time execs, it's the big CEOs at our banks, it's the partners at Law Firms, it's the people with unique skills (and sometimes that's just having a lot of money).

I wish the world was more like what you describe. I'm in the nonprofit sector, I wish we paid teachers more (both my parents are). But let's not pretend like Athletes aren't the only people that don't meet their social standards of decency. It might get more publicity since it's sports, but I refuse to believe it's anywhere close to as corrupt as what goes on in major companies, wall street, or even our government.

There's a lot wrong with a lot of people, but I'd rather two guys who smoked pot for a football to get a second chance over any of the guys who put us in this recession, the guys from Enron, or any CEO that took massive bailout money and paid themselves a hefty bonus with it. It's like Chris Rock said, guys like Shaq are rich...but it's the guy who signs his check that's wealthy. These rich kids that are dumb...they get crucified and a lot of people who have risked a lot on faulty mortgages cost us a lot more than that.

I wish athletes were better role models and human beings. But you know what, sometimes I wish everyone was a better role model and a better human being. And even on some days, that includes myself.

I know what you mean. I think I'm just more sensitive to morality than most, so I don't put up with a lot of the knucklehead things that people try to get away with. Especially mid-upper management who get all entitled. You don't just get to coast and dump the work on someone else as you move up the ladder, you are going to earn your keep. (Sadly I've given this speech about 4 times this year)

I agree with you though, it's not just athletes, it's people in general. I know there are plenty of tools in positions of power that shouldn't be. Look at PG County and DC politician scandals lately.

If it were a first offense I wouldn't even bring it up with these 2, it's the astonishment that they can't get it through their thick head. I've talked to a couple guys this week that are former/current NFL players and even they said you gotta be something kinda stupid to get pinched that many times for weed.

It's just a messed up society in general these days and I think these two just incurred my wrath at the wrong time. Grand scheme it's not too important, but if it were my team, character would mean a lot.

[Dr. FLK]

So here's my issue with their statement. You operate in a perfect world and a perfect set of standards. And they sure don't exist in the NFL, but honestly I don't think those standards match up in the real world either.

My boss is supposed to be a good manager. She's supposed to care about her employees and the long term future our organization. But she neglects those duties, though whether she likes it or not, it's a big part of her job. Yet she's good at a series of other things and brings many assets to our organization. In any working situation (football or business) it's a zero sum game of talent. Sometimes, you have to hope people improve, even if they've screwed up 100 times, because the assets they bring, and the potential for them to get it through their heads could make a difference.

Would you have cut Ray Lewis after the Super Bowl?



Unfortunately for a lot of these guys, it's the money that keeps them from thinking like adults...

In this scenario, your boss isn't repeatedly breaking (a) company policy and/or (b) the law. I'm not asking them to act like adults...just not like criminals.