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12-08-2011 01:06 PM #181
12-08-2011 01:06 PM #182Plus Member since 11/11 Major Leagues
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Brian Rose- July 27, 2000: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with Jeff Taglienti (minors), Jeff Frye and John Wasdin to the Colorado Rockies for Rolando Arrojo, Rich Croushore, Mike Lansing and cash.
Donnie Sadler- November 16, 2000: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with Michael Coleman to the Cincinnati Reds for Chris Stynes.
Carl, had a little more upside than the first two trades mentioned.. Look at the haul he brought in with Pavano
Carl Pavano-November 18, 1997: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with a player to be named later to the Montreal Expos for Pedro Martinez. The Boston Red Sox sent Tony Armas (December 18, 1997) to the Montreal Expos to complete the trade.
**Note** All the players mentioned from Boston were highly valued in the organization as prospects that DD gathered while there. He spun those guys to get either depth at the Big League level or to add a franchise piece. So you take these guys who internally were some of their top players, and you spin them for what the big league clubs needs. Just like he's mentioned in his interview. That's the point he will get to with the minor league situation.
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12-08-2011 01:06 PM #183
Well, at least we get to see now if it was Jordan or the development. lol
I believe Henry was a 3rd or 4th rounder. Miclat was a 5th rounder. I think Martin was an overslot late rounder. I think Henson was a 5th rounder. Odds are low on those rounds to begin with but you'd like to hit on one of those guys.
12-08-2011 01:08 PM #184
The problem isn't dealing Henson and Martin, nor is it dealing for Eveland. It's dealing Henson and Martin for Eveland. Nobody was upset with trading Hoey and Jacobson for Hardy, but they would have been if it had been for Cesar Izturis.
12-08-2011 01:09 PM #185
I'm not a fan of giving up anything to acquire Dana Eveland. And all I know of Martin I've learned in the last five minutes. But he looks very simlar to about five other 2011 Shorebirds. And he's the one who pitched 110 innings and walked 65, hit 13 batters, threw 12 wild pitches and balked twice.
I guess I have to hope that DD knows every team has six Martins in low A, and that Eveland has changed something that made him interesting. With prior O's management you'd just assume this is trading a C- prospect for a bad player, but with a new GM you never know.
12-08-2011 01:10 PM #186
12-08-2011 01:13 PM #187
O's trade Tyler Henson and Jarret Martin for Dana Eveland.
Translation: O's get rid of two guys that they think will never amount to anything for a guy who will never amount to anything, but at higher levels.
There's no doubt in my mind that DD has been advised that Martin and Henson are guys who are minor league fodder. The odds of minor league fodder ever hitting are greater than zero, but probably pretty miniscule. The odds of Eveland hitting are greater than zero, but probably pretty miniscule + a miniscule amount on top.
I totally understand SG on this topic. I also understand Tony.
However, I honestly only care because we have nothing better to discuss right now.
12-08-2011 01:13 PM #188
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12-08-2011 01:14 PM #189
12-08-2011 01:14 PM #190
12-08-2011 01:14 PM #191
Though his peripherals are awful, Eveland has posted a 4.38 FIP (4.70 xFIP) and 3.9 fWAR in 360.1 ML innings. He has value, certainly, how much our coaching staff will be able to extrac... I have no idea.
That being said, I really wish we would have gotten Kevin Slowey. I was glad to hear we were in on him but Eveland is a disappointing consolation prize. Hopefully later this afternoon we pick up Kendrys Morales for very little.
12-08-2011 01:16 PM #192
If I wasn't so cynical I'd think Duquette was clearing out spots in the minors for all of the int'l talent he's going to get.
12-08-2011 01:16 PM #193
As far I can tell, we're just trading C-grade prospects for AAAA depth. Martin and Henry were both guys who were at times great, at times awful, and inconsistent always. If anything, the organization has been long overdue to sweep out the dregs and get quality pitching depth flowing throughout the system. Eveland isn't much, but in a pinch is a nice way to add depth.
The whole thing about being a non-tender candidate... maybe the Orioles sensed that they were not the only team in on him and decided to be aggressive about it.
12-08-2011 01:18 PM #194Moderator Hangout Staff
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This kind of comment is unnecessary. Nobody enjoys when their team does moronic things. But-- stay with me here-- people can have differing opinions on whether something is moronic. I know it's shocking that two people could look at the same thing and see it differently, but it's true!
12-08-2011 01:18 PM #195Plus Member Since 09/03 Hall of Fame
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I will offer this observation, though: we were woefully thin on pitching last year, and having some guys like Eveland competing for spots and maybe parked at AAA is a good thing.