Orioles Acquire Dana Eveland from Dodgers

[Sports Guy]

Lol I love these blow ups. Such hysteria over really nothing. I love all of the temper tantrums over moves that we will likely forget by the beginning of the season. But hey, it is pure entertainment. I think Tony ought to have an OH Fight Night and we get all of the internet bad asses in a ring and let them "Duquette" it out. I would pay cash money to see that

Some people can't stand their favorite team doing moronic things.

Other people enjoy their team doing moronic things.

When those 2 groups of people butt heads, this happens.

[SoxHotCorner]

Do you recall if DD shipped out a lot of fringe type prospects that he determined probably wouldn't make it to the bigs?

Yes he did.. These were depth moves for guys who were good ballplayers, but not great and didn't stick around very long.. two of these guys are my good friends... but in the big picture it is what it is.

Brian Rose- July 27, 2000: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with Jeff Taglienti (minors), Jeff Frye and John Wasdin to the Colorado Rockies for Rolando Arrojo, Rich Croushore, Mike Lansing and cash.

Donnie Sadler- November 16, 2000: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with Michael Coleman to the Cincinnati Reds for Chris Stynes.

Carl Pavano

Carl, had a little more upside than the first two trades mentioned.. Look at the haul he brought in with Pavano

Carl Pavano-November 18, 1997: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with a player to be named later to the Montreal Expos for Pedro Martinez. The Boston Red Sox sent Tony Armas (December 18, 1997) to the Montreal Expos to complete the trade.

**Note** All the players mentioned from Boston were highly valued in the organization as prospects that DD gathered while there. He spun those guys to get either depth at the Big League level or to add a franchise piece. So you take these guys who internally were some of their top players, and you spin them for what the big league clubs needs. Just like he's mentioned in his interview. That's the point he will get to with the minor league situation.

[RZNJ]

Henry
Henson
Miclat
Martin

Well, at least we get to see now if it was Jordan or the development. lol

I believe Henry was a 3rd or 4th rounder. Miclat was a 5th rounder. I think Martin was an overslot late rounder. I think Henson was a 5th rounder. Odds are low on those rounds to begin with but you'd like to hit on one of those guys.

[eb45]

Henson is never going to do anything in the major leagues. He will be very fortunate if he gets a cup of coffee someday. I liked him as a younger player, and have followed him closely, and he just doesn't have major league skills in any area. I have no trouble giving him up as part of this deal.

Yeah, I don't have any problem with dealing Henson, but dealing both him and Martin for Eveland is undervaluing both of them, in my opinion.

The problem isn't dealing Henson and Martin, nor is it dealing for Eveland. It's dealing Henson and Martin for Eveland. Nobody was upset with trading Hoey and Jacobson for Hardy, but they would have been if it had been for Cesar Izturis.

[DrungoHazewood]

Just my opinion, but I think Martin has the best upside of the 5 players involved in both trades. We also don't know who the PTBNL in this deal is, either. I am not high on Miclat.

But what are the odds of him reaching that ceiling, or getting close?

I'm not a fan of giving up anything to acquire Dana Eveland. And all I know of Martin I've learned in the last five minutes. But he looks very simlar to about five other 2011 Shorebirds. And he's the one who pitched 110 innings and walked 65, hit 13 batters, threw 12 wild pitches and balked twice.

I guess I have to hope that DD knows every team has six Martins in low A, and that Eveland has changed something that made him interesting. With prior O's management you'd just assume this is trading a C- prospect for a bad player, but with a new GM you never know.

[eb45]

But what are the odds of him reaching that ceiling, or getting close?

I'm not a fan of giving up anything to acquire Dana Eveland. And all I know of Martin I've learned in the last five minutes. But he looks very simlar to about five other 2011 Shorebirds. And he's the one who pitched 110 innings and walked 65, hit 13 batters, threw 12 wild pitches and balked twice.

I guess I have to hope that DD knows every team has six Martins in low A, and that Eveland has changed something that made him interesting. With prior O's management you'd just assume this is trading a C- prospect for a bad player, but with a new GM you never know.

I really hope I never know, because if I know then that is a huge problem.

[LookinUp]

O's trade Tyler Henson and Jarret Martin for Dana Eveland.

Translation: O's get rid of two guys that they think will never amount to anything for a guy who will never amount to anything, but at higher levels.

There's no doubt in my mind that DD has been advised that Martin and Henson are guys who are minor league fodder. The odds of minor league fodder ever hitting are greater than zero, but probably pretty miniscule. The odds of Eveland hitting are greater than zero, but probably pretty miniscule + a miniscule amount on top.

I totally understand SG on this topic. I also understand Tony.

However, I honestly only care because we have nothing better to discuss right now.

[centralpaosfan]

Some people can't stand their favorite team doing moronic things.

Other people enjoy their team doing moronic things.

When those 2 groups of people butt heads, this happens.

How ironic. That is one of the most moronic things I have ever read.

[DrungoHazewood]

Not Henson! He was former top 20 prospects before he proved he couldn't hit! I can't beleive we gave up a C- relief prospect with major command issues and a D hitting prospect for a potential back of the rotation starter. What in the world is DD doing getting this garbage for players with UPSIDE!!!!

I guess I have to hit the I believe button and hope Eveland has fixed something, but he still had an ERA over 4.00 as a 27-year-old in the PCL last year. Henson and Martin are overwhelmingly likely to not be anything, but why Eveland? Couldn't they have just waited until he was cut in the spring? I have to think DD or a scout saw something specific that made him go after this specific guy.

[olehippi]

Eveland is 19-54 with a 5.52 ERA and a 1.69 WHIP in 100 games, including 59 starts, in his major league career.

I know that record is not everything, but how many guys with a 19-54 record ever amounted to anything?

Not sure where you're getting your info, but it's wrong. He's 19-24 in the ML, but 51-34 in the minors.

[Capn Vivi]

Though his peripherals are awful, Eveland has posted a 4.38 FIP (4.70 xFIP) and 3.9 fWAR in 360.1 ML innings. He has value, certainly, how much our coaching staff will be able to extrac... I have no idea.

That being said, I really wish we would have gotten Kevin Slowey. I was glad to hear we were in on him but Eveland is a disappointing consolation prize. Hopefully later this afternoon we pick up Kendrys Morales for very little.

[DrungoHazewood]

If I wasn't so cynical I'd think Duquette was clearing out spots in the minors for all of the int'l talent he's going to get.

[Enjoy Terror]

As far I can tell, we're just trading C-grade prospects for AAAA depth. Martin and Henry were both guys who were at times great, at times awful, and inconsistent always. If anything, the organization has been long overdue to sweep out the dregs and get quality pitching depth flowing throughout the system. Eveland isn't much, but in a pinch is a nice way to add depth.

The whole thing about being a non-tender candidate... maybe the Orioles sensed that they were not the only team in on him and decided to be aggressive about it.

[PaulFolk]

Some people can't stand their favorite team doing moronic things.

Other people enjoy their team doing moronic things.

When those 2 groups of people butt heads, this happens.

This kind of comment is unnecessary. Nobody enjoys when their team does moronic things. But-- stay with me here-- people can have differing opinions on whether something is moronic. I know it's shocking that two people could look at the same thing and see it differently, but it's true!

[Frobby]

Yeah, I don't have any problem with dealing Henson, but dealing both him and Martin for Eveland is undervaluing both of them, in my opinion.

The problem isn't dealing Henson and Martin, nor is it dealing for Eveland. It's dealing Henson and Martin for Eveland. Nobody was upset with trading Hoey and Jacobson for Hardy, but they would have been if it had been for Cesar Izturis.

I tend not to get upset over trades like these, because I just don't know much about the players. I tend to judge them in hindsight rather than judging them when they are made, because I don't know what they like about Eveland or don't like about Martin (or Henson, to the extent he is relevant).

I will offer this observation, though: we were woefully thin on pitching last year, and having some guys like Eveland competing for spots and maybe parked at AAA is a good thing.