Orioles Acquire Dana Eveland from Dodgers

[NewMarketSean]

Typical Orioles. In the end, noone wanted our slop for established major leaguers who were any good. Same story every year. DD would have had to pull a rabbit out of his hat to improve the pitching staff.

MacPhail traded slop for JJ Hardy. Just sayin'. The man was good making trades.

[Sports Guy]

We used to sign guys who used to be pretty good in the majors. This year we have signed guys who are basically September call ups.

Good point...and this time, instead of just losing money, we are losing money AND players.

So yea, I guess it is different!

[Larry18]

MacPhail traded slop for JJ Hardy. Just sayin'. The man was good making trades.

Sadly the Twins fired Smith.

[NewMarketSean]

For those who say "maybe the Orioles saw something they liked in Eveland", the Orioles also "saw something they liked" with Adam Eaton and Garrett Atkins too. I know the GM was different, but the team is still the same.

[Sports Guy]

I think it would only be fair if a link was posted to see those "outstanding" pitch values of his before his 29IP from last year:

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...508&position=P

*crickets*

[gtown]

*crickets*

Yeah, well, no one is debating that point. He was pretty bad before last year. The only question is whether his performance in 2011 is worth taking a flier on. You obviously don't think so. I'm not so sure I do--I'm not so sure anyone's thrilled with this.

I think many of us just see it as such a minor move and not worth getting upset over.

[Sports Guy]

Yeah, well, no one is debating that point. He was pretty bad before last year. The only question is whether his performance in 2011 is worth taking a flier on. You obviously don't think so. I'm not so sure I do--I'm not so sure anyone's thrilled with this.

I think many of us just see it as such a minor move and not worth getting upset over.

See, that's not even true.

I even said, if you want to take a flier on him and bring him in for ST, go ahead. If you want him for AAA depth, go ahead.

Its just like TT...Its not that we acquired the player, its that you gave up anything of value, even if it is limited value, for someone you can get for free anytime.

Tony said he is better than JJ Reyes...Well, maybe he is...But who cares? How much better is he? Is he so much better than you give up a few players? Of course not. This was just a stupid move.

[NCRaven]

I think the real issue here is that SG and others believe we actually gave something of value up to get Teagarden and Eveland. Duquette pretty clearly didn't. Myself, I don't either and I don't even mind giving up Miclat. Players whose upside says utility guy are, as some here are so fond of saying, "a dime a dozen."

Every player we gave up was replaced in the draft (Henry/Martin vs. Wright/Simon), free agency or the Rule 5 (Miclat/Hudson vs. Antonelli/Tolleson/Flaherty). Not only were they all easily replaceable, they've already been replaced.

[Crazysilver03]

I think the real issue here is that SG and others believe we actually gave something of value up to get Teagarden and Eveland. Duquette pretty clearly didn't. Myself, I don't either and I don't even mind giving up Miclat. Players whose upside says utility guy are, as some here are so fond of saying, "a dime a dozen."

Every player we gave up was replaced in the draft (Henry/Martin vs. Wright/Simon), free agency or the Rule 5 (Miclat/Hudson vs. Antonelli/Tolleson/Flaherty). Not only were they all easily replaceable, they've already been replaced.

We traded Henson, not Hudson.

We didn't give up much, but it is just bothersome that we even traded a warm body for someone that was going to get non-tendered.

[jabba72]

MacPhail traded slop for JJ Hardy. Just sayin'. The man was good making trades.

Yes, pretty much the only thing he was good at. But Hardy must have been a salary dump to get him so cheaply. Or the Twins felt sorry for MacPhail. I dont think that was an every offseason thing.

[Sports Guy]

I think the real issue here is that SG and others believe we actually gave something of value up to get Teagarden and Eveland. Duquette pretty clearly didn't. Myself, I don't either and I don't even mind giving up Miclat. Players whose upside says utility guy are, as some here are so fond of saying, "a dime a dozen."

Every player we gave up was replaced in the draft (Henry/Martin vs. Wright/Simon), free agency or the Rule 5 (Miclat/Hudson vs. Antonelli/Tolleson/Flaherty). Not only were they all easily replaceable, they've already been replaced.

So, what you are saying is that just because these guys were replaced by the draft, they should be dealt for guys that you could get without giving anything up?

You brought up Antonelli...What did we give up to get him? The answer is NOTHING.

And guess what, Antonelli has way more upside than TT or Eveland and we got him for FREE!!!

It just completely boggles my mind that people are actually ok with the Orioles giving up young arms for players that you can get for NOTHING all the time. How do you justify that? Tell me how that is intelligent.

And don't tell me Henry and Martin have no value...We traded guys like that for Hardy last year...They do have value. We got a guy like that as the 5th player in the Bedard deal. Those guys are always included in deals. Its just ridiculous to say they hold zero value. It shows a total lack of understanding and shows that you pay no attention to things.

[CA-ORIOLE]

I posted this in another thread, but anyone jumping off a bridge about Eveland should know he has SOME upside. Not much, but SOME.

Yeah, I agree. Not sure what all the hubub's about. Who did we even give up for him? Has a pretty high GB rate and seems interesting to me. Pretty decent Mil track record. If he could get his walk rate to anywhere near his Mil walk rate might be something there.

[Sports Guy]

We traded Henson, not Hudson.

We didn't give up much, but it is just bothersome that we even traded a warm body for someone that was going to get non-tendered.

Forget that. I would trade for Ian Stewart who may get NT. But Stewart had 3 straight years of a 785 OPS or better...Shows average defense at third, good walk rate, recently rated highly...But he was awful in 2010. I would takre a shot at him in a dumb trade because he represents some real upside.

What the hell does Eveland represent? Why are in a hurry to TRADE for him? Are you worried that someone else swoops in and grabs him? And if so, why? How poor are you at evaluation that you don't think you can pick up his clone for free?

[sbauer]

Forget that. I would trade for Ian Stewart who may get NT. But Stewart had 3 straight years of a 785 OPS or better...Shows average defense at third, good walk rate, recently rated highly...But he was awful in 2010. I would takre a shot at him in a dumb trade because he represents some real upside.

What the hell does Eveland represent? Why are in a hurry to TRADE for him? Are you worried that someone else swoops in and grabs him? And if so, why? How poor are you at evaluation that you don't think you can pick up his clone for free?

But he won 15 games last season....

"He won 15 games this year between Triple-A and the big leagues,'' Duquette said. "He'd been up in the big leagues before as a starting pitcher, and he has gotten himself on track to compete for a starting job in spring training. We like his stuff. We like his durability and we like his experience.

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He won three games and his ERA was in the 3's. The Dodgers signed (Aaron) Harang and that made him available."

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"Lefties are always in demand," Duquette said. "He's a qualified major league pitcher, so we thought there's some value there to help our team. He has experience at the big leagues. You can look around in that book for left-handed pitchers who won 15 games last year and it's a short list. That was appealing to us. His stuff is pretty good. He's got a sinking fastball. He's got a pretty good breaking ball. And change of speeds. I think he's a good addition to our team."

http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2011/12/duquette-and-eveland-discuss-the-trade.html


Awesome. Putting a lot of weight into one short major league season.

[thiscat41]

But he won 15 games last season....



http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2011/12/duquette-and-eveland-discuss-the-trade.html


Awesome

Good addition! Hope he makes us better next year!