Orioles Acquire Dana Eveland from Dodgers

[NewMarketSean]

Again, you're going with the assumption that Eveland is definitely the same Eveland who's mainly stunk over his MLB career. You don't seem to even allow for the slight chance that he's either changed or that the O's will use him in a role (i.e. relief) where he's more suited.

Is this still a bad trade if next year he gives the O's 65 innings of a 3.75 in relief?

No but the chances of that happening are slim to none. People are going crazy over 29 IP in the NL and in a home stadium that's a pitcher's park. 29 innings.

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm not picking any sides here I generally do not understand why we traded two guys with some value for a Non-Tender Candidate, but at the end of the day I don't think it's a huge deal.

Dana Eveland has a career ERA+ of 77.

Kevin Slowey who was just traded for a PTBNL has a career ERA+ of 90. Now I know he is going to cost more than Eveland, but not significantly more.

Here are 3 other guys that are non tender candidates.

Chris Volstad - Career ERA+ 91
Andy Sonnanstine - Career ERA+ 82
Ross Ohlendorf - Career ERA+ 87

It's hard to believe I have to be the one to constantly point this out, but a) pitchers have step changes in their performances all the time due to any number of things, and b) you're completely discounting the idea that the scouts have identified Eveland as a candidate to improve.

The whole reason you employ scouts is to take the 26 guys on your list with 80-90 ERA+'s and pick the couple out you think are going to be better than that in the future. If it was as simple as filling out AAA and the back end of the roster by throwing darts at a bb-ref list of bad pitchers you could save yourself many hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary for scouts.

[DrungoHazewood]

No but the chances of that happening are slim to none. People are going crazy over 29 IP in the NL and in a home stadium that's a pitcher's park. 29 innings.

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT HIS NUMBERS. The scouts think he's better than his overall past performance. I tend to think they're probably wrong. But the numbers have almost nothing to do with this.

[JohnnyK27]

I'm not picking any sides here I generally do not understand why we traded two guys with some value for a Non-Tender Candidate, but at the end of the day I don't think it's a huge deal.

Dana Eveland has a career ERA+ of 77.

Kevin Slowey who was just traded for a PTBNL has a career ERA+ of 90. Now I know he is going to cost more than Eveland, but not significantly more.

Here are 3 other guys that are non tender candidates.

Chris Volstad - Career ERA+ 91
Andy Sonnanstine - Career ERA+ 82
Ross Ohlendorf - Career ERA+ 87

Here are 3 guys that are free agents.

Sergio Mitre - Career ERA+ 84
Mitch Talbot - Career ERA + 75
Kyle Davies - Career ERA +77

I fully expect the Orioles to pick up Sonnanstine if he's not tendered.

[erb8472]

It's hard to believe I have to be the one to constantly point this out, but a) pitchers have step changes in their performances all the time due to any number of things, and b) you're completely discounting the idea that the scouts have identified Eveland as a candidate to improve.

The whole reason you employ scouts is to take the 26 guys on your list with 80-90 ERA+'s and pick the couple out you think are going to be better than that in the future. If it was as simple as filling out AAA and the back end of the roster by throwing darts at a bb-ref list of bad pitchers you could save yourself many hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary for scouts.

I am simply pointing out that similar type players to Eveland are available via FA and as non-tender candidates. I have no problem with the Orioles taking a flyer on the guy, and while I think they gave up to much I'm not going to grab my pitchfork.

[RZNJ]

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT HIS NUMBERS. The scouts think he's better than his overall past performance. I tend to think they're probably wrong. But the numbers have almost nothing to do with this.

I disagree. I bet his 5 starts at the end of the year have a lot to do with this. He only walked 6 in 29 IP which is totally opposite of his whole career. Yes, the pitcher says he started to pitch differently, but in all likelihood it was just a good 5 game stretch. Whoever wanted this guy is probably trying to attach some meaning to those 5 starts. I believe that. They may think he actually got better for whatever reason but I think most of that belief boils down to those 5 starts. His control in AAA last year wasn't much different than his career to date.

[RZNJ]

Problem is that apparantly #3 starters on the FA market cost 5 years and 77.5 million dollars!!! Unless you want CJ to be our #1, and in that case the Orioles still suck!

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/s...year-775m-deal



Over/Under on the amount of pages on that thread if he doesn't make the opening day roster and we lose him to another team for nothing? The current thread is 29 so you would have to place that one at least at 15 pages right?

So many people wanted AM gone because he didn't make decisive quick decisions and were tired of him percolating. Now DD makes some quick decisions based on what the scouts have told him and the board is up in arms. You cannot have it both ways. AM was great at winning a trade, but didn't have the bold vision to trully implement a change of the organization. DD appears to have a vision and is going for it right away. I will trust what Soxhotcorner has to say about what he did with the Redsoxs and hope that he can duplicate it here. Is anybody in 2-3 years really going to care about these 2 trades? Any chance we gave up John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander? I don't think so. This year is going to be a waste at the MLB level. It was going to be that way no matter who the Orioles GM was going to be. I am at least intriqued that he has a plan and is going for it from the start. As has been said so many times in the past, we have held onto guys so long that never amounted to anything. What have we really lost?

You only give us two choices. A GM who makes few moves or one who makes more moves but ones we don't like. Isn't there a choice for a GM who makes more moves, is quick to make them, and makes ones that pass the smell test?

[jgdomino]

Ok, trade haters. What were the two prospects we gave up MLB numbers last year??? What do you project they will be going forward?? Oh yea there probably won't be a projection because neither will probably never step on a MLB field.

Dana Eveland >> than two guys who will never reach the majors. MLB talent (even fringe) >>>>> than Minor League Talent. It is not really rocket science and you should really take some sort of of pill to chill out if you are this worried about this trade.

[erb8472]

IMO the reason this thread is 31 pages is because everyone is on pins and needles hoping for a change. If we had made a couple significant moves before these past two trades I doubt people are even arguing over the value of a backup catcher and spot starter.

[erb8472]

Ok, trade haters. What were the two prospects we gave up MLB numbers last year??? What do you project they will be going forward?? Oh yea there probably won't be a projection because neither will probably never step on a MLB field.

Dana Eveland >> than two guys who will never reach the majors. MLB talent (even fringe) >>>>> than Minor League Talent. It is not really rocket science and you should really take some sort of of pill to chill out if you are this worried about this trade.

You are misunderstanding what they are upset about. It's not that we have given up 4 guys that might never make it to the big leagues. It's that we gave up 4 guys for two players that they believe we could have found via FA.

[NewMarketSean]

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT HIS NUMBERS. The scouts think he's better than his overall past performance. I tend to think they're probably wrong. But the numbers have almost nothing to do with this.

OK, Drungo. You win. So does everyone else. The Orioles scouts, who have liked Adam Eaton and Garrett Atkins in the past, like Dana Eveland.

Reason enough to get him on Dec. 8th. I stand corrected.

[jgdomino]

why does that matter? What if they like the two guys we got better than any two available in Free Agency. If you give up inconsequential parts what does it matter if you pay for it or trade for it? Can't we sign 4 minor league level talents to replace the guys we lost?

[DrungoHazewood]

I disagree. I bet his 5 starts at the end of the year have a lot to do with this. He only walked 6 in 29 IP which is totally opposite of his whole career. Yes, the pitcher says he started to pitch differently, but in all likelihood it was just a good 5 game stretch. Whoever wanted this guy is probably trying to attach some meaning to those 5 starts. I believe that. They may think he actually got better for whatever reason but I think most of that belief boils down to those 5 starts. His control in AAA last year wasn't much different than his career to date.

If the Orioles acquired him based on those 29 innings then this was a very poor acquisition, and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how to interpret statistics.

[DrungoHazewood]

OK, Drungo. You win. So does everyone else. The Orioles scouts, who have liked Adam Eaton and Garrett Atkins in the past, like Dana Eveland.

Reason enough to get him on Dec. 8th. I stand corrected.

You know it's the same scouts? I missed that blurb. I take it all back, the O's are still stupid.

[Lucky Jim]

You know it's the same scouts? I missed that blurb. I take it all back, the O's are still stupid.

Yeah. That's the same old argument that holds every FO accountable for past mistakes. Pretty weak.

I agree w/ you Drungo that the scouts have likely identified him in some way as a guy who's better than he's shown. I just don't want to waste our MiLB talent on those guys. He's clearly not the only one who can be so identified. So find one who doesn't cost us talent, even low-probability talent like that we gave up.