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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony-OH View Post
    DRAMA QUEEN Thursday! Starring Sports Guy! Eveland is the worse pitcher in the world. He's obviously a bum. You can find ten guys like him on the trash heap every year.

    Did i get all of that right?

    You need to chill. The chances of Martin staying healthy and finding his command are not very high. We basically got a guy who can compete for the 5th starters job on the cheap or at the very least, added starting pitching depth that's better than the Jo Jo Reyes and Jakabukuas' of the world.
    Eveland
    5.52 ERA
    1.69 WHIP
    4.5 BB/9
    5.9 K/9

    Reyes
    6.05 ERA
    1.63 WHIP
    3.9 BB/9
    5.8 K/9

    Jakubauskus
    5.58 ERA
    1.45 WHIP
    3.0 BB/9
    5.4 K/9

    Tony, we just traded for a JoJo Reyes and Chris Jakubausku clone. 29.2 IP of decent baseball doesn't make Eveland any better than either of those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Guy View Post
    Tony, you are just compeltely wrong about this. I mean, ridiculously, Jen Royle-esque wrong.

    You do not trade value, whether its very tiny or enormious value, for garbage like this.
    Wow, that's pretty wrong. Where was your outrage when we had Jo Jo Reyes starting for us last year? Eveland is not garbage and you are being ridiculously childish in this thread. When was the last time you seen him pitch? Give me your personal scouting reports of his stuff? Oh wait, you can't. But you have no problem going off on these childish rants where you call guys garbage and trash and everything else. By the way superstar, Eveland was in the major leagues at the same age of Martin.

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    Next up: Fielder!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Jim View Post
    Unless they are swinging him to the airport to go pick up Fielder's luggage and drive him to the Warehouse to sign the contract than I don't think wherever Eveland is going will impact the O's reaching that crackhead's dream Duquette was blabbering about playing .500 ball this year.

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    I would have much rather acquired Slowey, who was traded for a PTBNL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio View Post
    Next up: Fielder!!!!!!
    That's who we've been saving all the money for.

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    It's probably not a coincidence that this trade was consummated the day after Bill Castro was hired as bullpen coach. Castro worked with Eveland when he came up with Milwaukee, so I'm betting this was his suggestion (just as Teagarden was Buck's suggestion).

    Seems like Duquette is aggressively going after players his coaches want. I think he misjudged Eveland's value, though. You don't need to trade anything, let alone 2 players, for a spare-part AAAA arm like him, especially when he was likely going to be non-tendered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMarketSean View Post
    Eveland:

    5.52 ERA
    1.69 WHIP
    4.5 BB/9
    5.9 K/9

    Reyes
    6.05 ERA
    1.63 WHIP
    3.9 BB/9
    5.8 K/9

    Jakubauskus
    5.58 ERA
    1.45 WHIP
    3.0 BB/9
    5.4 K/9

    Tony, we just traded for JoJo Reyes and Chris Jakubausku clone.
    Not if you go off the pitch value numbers and the success he had last year. Maybe he's a guy like Bruce Chen who or Jamie Moyer who took a little time to figure it out? I'm not saying the guy is anything super, but the more I look into his numbers and pitch values the more I see a guy who improved last year. He's worth a C- level prospect like Martin in my opinion, even if he's major league depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMarketSean View Post
    Eveland had a decent year last year. The Dodgers still traded him for minimal returns. If the Orioles had Eveland last year, they'd pencil him in the rotation. That is the difference between the Orioles and most other teams. They aren't fooled by SSS success.
    It is silly to assume that the Orioles have penciled Eveland into the rotation, or that they traded for him based on some small sample of his work. Besides, you seem to be suggesting there is a way "the Orioles" do things, but Duquette just got here and his advisors are different from MacPhail's, so you really know nothing about how he operates. I think it is likely that the new Director of Amateur Scouting, who was doing pro scouting for Boston, Texas and Toronto for the last 9 years, is probably having some input here.

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    What is it with the O's trading for guys with chicks' names? Taylor Teagarden, Dana Eveland. Sounds like dolls that little girls are asking Santa to bring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulFolk View Post
    It's probably not a coincidence that this trade was consummated the day after Bill Castro was hired as bullpen coach. Castro worked with Eveland when he came up with Milwaukee, so I'm betting this was his suggestion (just as Teagarden was Buck's suggestion).

    Seems like Duquette is aggressively going after players his coaches want. I think he misjudged Eveland's value, though. You don't need to trade anything, let alone 2 players, for a spare-part AAAA arm like him, especially when he was likely going to be non-tendered.
    I thought we only traded Martin? Was there another player going to LAD in this deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony-OH View Post
    Not if you go off the pitch value numbers and the success he had last year. Maybe he's a guy like Bruce Chen who or Jamie Moyer who took a little time to figure it out? I'm not saying the guy is anything super, but the more I look into his numbers and pitch values the more I see a guy who improved last year. He's worth a C- level prospect like Martin in my opinion, even if he's major league depth.
    I'm not really bugged about who we traded to get him, it's that we traded to get him at all. He's going to take up 1 of the 25 positions we go north with in April. And I edited the post you quoted...I am not ready to elevate Eveland over either of the guys I mentioned off of 29.2 "decent" innings last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the rick View Post
    i thought we only traded martin? Was there another player going to lad in this deal?
    ptbnl...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rick View Post
    I thought we only traded Martin? Was there another player going to LAD in this deal?
    Yes, apparently it's Martin plus a PTBNL.

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