Orioles Acquire Dana Eveland from Dodgers

[Sports Guy]

Easy:

Brandon Webb
John Maine
Oliver Perez
Mark Prior
Jamie Moyer
Ross Ohlendorf
Nelson Figueroa
Kenshin Kawakami
Billy Buckner
Kei Igawa
Dave Bush
Kevin Millwood
Jeff Suppan
Garrett Olson
Armando Galarraga
Nate Robertson
Aaron Heilman
Kyle Davies
Yusmeiro Petit
Chris Jakubauskas
Royce Ring
Matt Torra
Luke French
Zach Duke
Scott Kazmir
etc.

Really, just look at a list of minor league free agents and most of the pitchers on there will be better than Eveland...

Thank you.

Hey Tony, why is Eveland better than Zach Duke?

[Tony-OH]

I think the real issue here is that SG and others believe we actually gave something of value up to get Teagarden and Eveland. Duquette pretty clearly didn't. Myself, I don't either and I don't even mind giving up Miclat. Players whose upside says utility guy are, as some here are so fond of saying, "a dime a dozen."

Every player we gave up was replaced in the draft (Henry/Martin vs. Wright/Simon), free agency or the Rule 5 (Miclat/Hudson vs. Antonelli/Tolleson/Flaherty). Not only were they all easily replaceable, they've already been replaced.

Nice to see there is a little sanity left on the board. The crying and whining over this is honestly embarrassing for OH. People have determined that player's acquired are garbage and the minor league players traded have such huge upsides. Please, our system is not in the top half of MLB and the highest guy we traded was Miclat, a potential utility guy? This is what people are gnashing their teeth over? Ridiculous.

If people want to get upset about the overall direction of the offseason or lack of impact moves then go right ahead, even though I think that's premature still. At the end of the day we traded away C level guys at best in an organization that hasn't seen a C level prospect come up and become a contributor in a long time.

Eveland may end up become a solid back of the rotation guy or he may end up another AAA depth guy. Trading a wild A-ball pitcher who put up nearly a 5.00 ERA at 21-years old and an non prospect for him is a decent trade. Adding depth guys is not the worse thing in the world, especially when we starting guys last year that had no business starting in the MLB.

Did these trades change the Orioles fortunes, nope. Not every move is going to do that. The Orioles need to do more this offseason, but that's for another thread.

[Tony-OH]

Thank you.

Hey Tony, why is Eveland better than Zach Duke?

Duke is better than Eveland, but he's going to cost a lot more. Eveland is depth and will be paid like depth. Duke should end up with a decent contract from someone.

[Tony-OH]

You can get bad players for free any time. I think the assumption (yes, yet to be verified, yes, we should be skeptical) is that they like something Eveland has changed and think he'll be better going forward. Teams with good scouting and analysis identify players like this well. The '08 Rays had most of their pen made up of castoffs and rejects and guys with 6.43 ERAs in '07.

We'll see if Duquette and his new guys have changed anything. I'll leave the door open.

Wait, you mean the Orioles aren't sitting at home on there computer pulling up career stats determining whether a guy is good or not? You mean the Orioles may have some reports on the guy that suggests he's found soemthing that might be successful? No, the mob has spoken. Clearly he's garbage-trash and clearly Duquette has traded away future potential superstars to get him. Dumb, dumb Orioles!!!

[GoGoPower]

Duke is better than Eveland, but he's going to cost a lot more. Eveland is depth and will be paid like depth. Duke should end up with a decent contract from someone.

I highly doubt that. I don't see him getting anything more than a split contract.

[Tony-OH]

Easy:

Brandon Webb
John Maine
Oliver Perez
Mark Prior
Jamie Moyer
Ross Ohlendorf
Nelson Figueroa
Kenshin Kawakami
Billy Buckner
Kei Igawa
Dave Bush
Kevin Millwood
Jeff Suppan
Garrett Olson
Armando Galarraga
Nate Robertson
Aaron Heilman
Kyle Davies
Yusmeiro Petit
Chris Jakubauskas
Royce Ring
Matt Torra
Luke French
Zach Duke
Scott Kazmir
etc.

Really, just look at a list of minor league free agents and most of the pitchers on there will be better than Eveland...

That's just lazy. Break down each guy and tell me why he's better than Eveland. A few on that list are actually laughable. That probably won't stop SG from quoting this like it means something.

[orayole]

People are getting mad at trading scraps for scraps?

[byrdz]

Hey SG, do you own a Gibson SG guitar? I realized you probably should.

Sorry, but you just put Sports Guy and Angus Young in the same realm, and that's just unacceptable.

[Tony-OH]

Duke is better than Eveland, but he's going to cost a lot more. Eveland is depth and will be paid like depth. Duke should end up with a decent contract from someone.

Actually, after looking at the numbers, I don't think Duke is better than Eveland. I was think of Duke from a few years ago so I was mistaken on his value.

[GoGoPower]

That's just lazy. Break down each guy and tell me why he's better than Eveland. A few on that list are actually laughable. That probably won't stop SG from quoting this like it means something.

All you asked was to give the names of 3 freely available pitchers that were better than Eveland. The stats for all of these guys are available to you if you want to look them up...

[JohnnyK27]

Actually, after looking at the numbers, I don't think Duke is better than Eveland. I was think of Duke from a few years ago so I was mistaken on his value.

Wow .... 21 pages of comments about a player who will no doubt have a near 6.00 era in the AL East.

[JohnnyK27]

That's just lazy. Break down each guy and tell me why he's better than Eveland. A few on that list are actually laughable. That probably won't stop SG from quoting this like it means something.

Honestly Tony ...Are you really buying that this is a good move for the O's? I'll gladly bet you lunch that Eveland's ERA is over 5.50. Winner picks the place....What do you say. Even if he is better than every guy on the list the Orioles need to do better and there's no excuse to bring AAAA fodder into the organization.

[flashjordnk]

Wait, you mean the Orioles aren't sitting at home on there computer pulling up career stats determining whether a guy is good or not? You mean the Orioles may have some reports on the guy that suggests he's found soemthing that might be successful? No, the mob has spoken. Clearly he's garbage-trash and clearly Duquette has traded away future potential superstars to get him. Dumb, dumb Orioles!!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tony-OH again.

[JohnnyK27]

I think the real issue here is that SG and others believe we actually gave something of value up to get Teagarden and Eveland. Duquette pretty clearly didn't. Myself, I don't either and I don't even mind giving up Miclat. Players whose upside says utility guy are, as some here are so fond of saying, "a dime a dozen."

Every player we gave up was replaced in the draft (Henry/Martin vs. Wright/Simon), free agency or the Rule 5 (Miclat/Hudson vs. Antonelli/Tolleson/Flaherty). Not only were they all easily replaceable, they've already been replaced.

The AAAA talent we are picking up is no better than the AAAA talent that we have .... We've added a backup catcher , AAA Util INF, and #5 starter candidate/ long relief guy .... We gave up marginal prospects to get them ...But atleast they are still prospects.

[SrMeowMeow]

Wait, you mean the Orioles aren't sitting at home on there computer pulling up career stats determining whether a guy is good or not? You mean the Orioles may have some reports on the guy that suggests he's found soemthing that might be successful? No, the mob has spoken. Clearly he's garbage-trash and clearly Duquette has traded away future potential superstars to get him. Dumb, dumb Orioles!!!

Oh, please. This is the same hopeful rationale we got after the Atkins signing - "they can't be so dumb as to just sign him on a whim, right? they must have a reason or something they want to alter, right? right?"

Nope.

Why are you giving the O's the benefit of the doubt again? That's what really bothers me in this thread - I'm all about rational objectivity, but why do people keep bending over backwards to find a reason to excuse the O's? It's stupid.