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    HHP: Six Man Rotation

    Could the Orioles attempt a six man rotation in 2012?

    Should they?

    Things to consider:

    Orioles have a good number of starting pitchers.
    Do not have any top tier starting pitchers.
    Do not have any innings eaters. (Guthrie kinda sorta)
    Do have two pitchers accustomed to a 6 man rotation (Chen and Wada)

    Look at this data: (don't know why there is a big space)

































    PlayerMax IPCareer ERA+
    Guthrie209105
    Britton15490
    Arrieta150 (miL)85
    Matusz17577 (98 before 2011)
    Simon11581
    Hunter128 (163 miL 08)99
    Bergesen17092
    Tillman174 (BAL+miL)77
    Wada1842.88 (ERA)
    Chen1882.48 (ERA)


    There are 10 starting pitchers. Only 1 (Guthrie) has ever thrown 200 IP in a season. I may have missed if someone threw 200 combined MiL and ML, but still, only 1 has thrown 200+ in the ML.

    The two Japanese pitchers top out in the mid 180 IP several times in there careers. They are accustomed to throwing in a 6 man rotation.

    Is it wise to attempt to use these 10 pitchers in a 5 man rotation for 162 game season? They (not Chen or Wada) have been in such a system before with poor results. Chen and Wada have succeed in a 6 man rotation throwing 180 innings.Why repeat what has not worked.

    Using 6 of these 10 as starters, keeps 4 available in the bullpen or Norfolk to fill in. So there is plenty of depth (not even considering O'Day and Eveland who are really last ditch depth).

    Here is a comparison. The Rays had a top notch pitching staff in 2011. All but 14 games were started by there top 5 SP's. That is amazing! Here is how the IP broke down:

    Shields: 249
    Price: 224
    Hellickson: 189
    Davis: 184
    Niemann: 135
    TOTAL: 981
    AVG: 196

    There is simply no way reasonable way the Orioles can hope to get such production out of 5 SP's in the group above. It would take an unprecedented improvement as a group.

    I propose trying something different. Use 6 starting pitchers with the hope of getting 1000 innings this way:

    SP 1: 200
    SP2: 190
    SP3: 180
    SP4: 150
    SP5: 145
    SP6: 135

    Obviously hoping to get 162 starts out of 6 pitchers is unlikely as well, but this is a more realistic goal then getting 1000 out of 5.


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    Meh. No thanks.

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    The Orioles have trouble finding 3 mediocre starters. I don't want to task them with finding 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FLK View Post
    The Orioles have trouble finding 3 mediocre starters. I don't want to task them with finding 6.
    My argument is they have 6-8 mediocre starters, so lets run with that instead of hoping 3 of them magically turn into good starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srock View Post
    My argument is they have 6-8 mediocre starters, so lets run with that instead of hoping 3 of them magically turn into good starters.
    Let's go with the best 5. The rest can either fight for time in the bullpen or get innings in AAA. I don't think 3 of them will magically turn into good starters, but I don't see what's gained by increasing the percentage of games started by guys who aren't any good.

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    Thumbs up

    I like to see them try something new. If they keep the pitchers to a higher pitch count, and let them pitch in relief on their throw days, it's worth a try IMO.

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