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    Quote Originally Posted by 33rdst View Post
    Our chances of signing Fielder are the same as being attacked by a "Polar bear and a regular bear on the same day."
    It took me a few minutes plus a google search, but I finally figured out where I heard that reference recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeveJones007 View Post
    It took me a few minutes plus a google search, but I finally figured out where I heard that reference recently.
    I can't wait until someone signs Fielder so I can post "my surprised face".

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    Nothing shocks me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weams View Post


    Nothing shocks me.
    I was waiting to use that when the Nats signed Fielder.

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    Average OPS by an AL DH last year was .769. The O's were at .734, mostly from Vlad. Decent chance Betemit can beat .734. Whether he can beat .769 next year, I don't know.

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    The last 3 years Betemit has averaged 284/354/467 - 821 OPS. A career 784 OPS hitter. I think he can be in the 750-775 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LookitsPuck View Post
    The last 3 years Betemit has averaged 284/354/467 - 821 OPS. A career 784 OPS hitter. I think he can be in the 750-775 range.
    I think I actually like this signing.

    DD has just filled a position of "need" with a very cheap, but serviceable player.
    Somewhat related, but somewhat not...he seems to be committing many ABs to Reimold.
    The pitching he's added has been cheap, with decent potential to impress.

    He's not tieing up a bunch of resources into players that aren't worth it. If this is our philosophy for a couple of years, we'd be in good shape to actually spend on guys like Fielder in the future.

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    If he's used as a roleplayer and takes up most of the at bats vs. lefties where he hit 303/365/500 last year. Or his career 277/348/469 vs lefties, it seems like something the Orioles could definitely use.

    As long as he doesn't turn into a regular full time player, I don't think there is much wrong with the signing.

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    This signing makes some sense to me if we are looking at Betemit as a DH to replace Scott, and as a last-resort emergency back-up for the left side of the IF. Not sure about him for a 2-yr deal though. He's primarily another bad fielding 3B, with some experience as a bad fielding SS and 1B. He doesn't hit for a lot of power, or have high RBI totals, but does get on base at a solid clip - not exactly what you look for in a DH. But, considering all his deficiencies, he should fit right in with the Orioles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentJames View Post
    Chen, Wada and I would say Chavez.

    I think that Chen is going to be a very good signing at the end of the day.

    I think Betemit could be a very useful and if the dollars are right could easily be packaged off in another deal later this year-next year. The Orioles need a high OBP bat in their lineup, if Betemit is a everyday DH type guy and while he has never batted "leadoff" he has a .340 OBP in his career when "leading off an inning" It could work if used correctly.

    I don't like two years either, but I think Betemit could work for us after its all said and done.

    And Edwin Jackson is still hovering out there.
    I think that Chen is going to be a very good signing at the end of the day.

    I think Betemit could be a very useful and if the dollars are right could easily be packaged off in another deal later this year-next year. The Orioles need a high OBP bat in their lineup, if Betemit is a everyday DH type guy and while he has never batted "leadoff" he has a .340 OBP in his career when "leading off an inning" It could work if used correctly.

    I don't like two years either, but I think Betemit could work for us after its all said and done.

    And Edwin Jackson is still hovering out there.[/QUOTE]

    What people are missing is the affect that signing a single league average or better starter can have on our pitching staff. The Orioles get Chen and a better pitcher gets pushed to the pen or provides depth for the starting rotation. Wada is a quality backend starting pitcher or he is a quality reliever. Adding a guy like Jackson would push Eveland to the pen. These moves also allow Britton, Arrieta and Matusz to pitch from the back of the rotation verses the top of the rotation.

    Adding a guy like Betemit adds a top notch utility man to the team. It allows the team to deal Andino if the opportunity to upgrade the team presents itself. Maybe the Orioles could work out a deal with the Braves that did not include Jones, but did include Andino and Chavez/Miller. There are a lot of ways to upgrade a team without a superstar and we have those types of guys based on how unwilling some on this board are to deal guys like Adam Jones and JJ Hardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olehippi View Post
    But, considering all his deficiencies, he should fit right in with the Orioles.
    +1. I love this line!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LookinUp View Post
    I think I actually like this signing.

    DD has just filled a position of "need" with a very cheap, but serviceable player.
    Somewhat related, but somewhat not...he seems to be committing many ABs to Reimold.
    The pitching he's added has been cheap, with decent potential to impress.

    He's not tieing up a bunch of resources into players that aren't worth it. If this is our philosophy for a couple of years, we'd be in good shape to actually spend on guys like Fielder in the future.
    Hasn't not tying up resources been our philosophy for more than a couple of years? There is no reason to sign Betemit to more than a 1 year deal and I'd be meh on that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singleton View Post
    Hasn't not tying up resources been our philosophy for more than a couple of years? There is no reason to sign Betemit to more than a 1 year deal and I'd be meh on that as well.
    Find the Frobby post that has our payroll side by side with the Nats.

    Fact is that a lot of money is tied up in Markakis and Roberts and Guthrie and Reynolds and Jones and Gregg and Gonzalez/Bradford/Walker before that. We've not been spending efficiently, even if we aren't spending really big either.

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    I don't hate it, but almost regardless of the money Betemit is signed for, I'd rather have Luke Scott at $6m.

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    per Eduardo A. Encina on twitter:

    deal is worth $3million over years, could grow to $6 million w/ 2014 vesting option based on perf. incentives.

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