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03-20-2012 10:11 PM #31
He's not far off from Ozzie for me with the glove. Flat out amazing. I've seen some pop out of his bat here and there, just not consistently, he could really sure up a ML infield though for sure. I'm just higher on him than a lot of people and in the end he probably drops out of the top 5 talks as other players get better, but I really like him.
I think Jankowski is pretty good, but there are a couple things I'd want him to clean up before I started about thinking of him too high. He struggles with balls inside a bit, and in the pros it's going to get even tougher, I also don't really like that the momentum of his swing carries him towards 3B so much, he loses a step out of the box because of it and I hear he's avg/above avg speed to begin with.
I know Appel hasn't had the BEST start to the year, but I'm still a big believer in the tools and I think he's going to be pretty good.
03-20-2012 10:48 PM #32
Seems like there is a consensus on Appel, so I figure he's gone either #1 overall or most certainly before #4. A college catcher who's good defensively and possibly has the best bat as well, seems a good bet to go top 3 as well. Before the elbow strain, Giolito was probably a lock to go top 3. Maybe the highest ceiling in this draft? Agree or disagree on that point? I don't think it's going to scare off too many teams and because, IMO, there don't appear to be a lot of high ceiling guys, I think there's a good chance someone still pops him in the top 3. Right now, if Appel, Zunino, and Giolito are off the board, give me your guy. I know it's a tough question but let's have some fun with it.
03-20-2012 10:57 PM #33
Buxton. Legit 5-tool kid, gets compared to the Uptons but I think he's better than both of them. Kid has real game,could be a superstar.
03-20-2012 11:19 PM #34Shorebirds
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Don't forget Kevin Gausman.
Consensus top 7 pick, and in my opinion the best college arm available. Has put up better #'s than Appel this year, and has great size and his fastball is mid 90's, topping out at 97. Also the most major league ready pitcher in the draft so if we want a July-August 2013 call-up, go Gausman. Plus curve, and developing change, so if he can develop a solid change he'd be a #2 starter in the bigs. Appel has better velocity but for some reason doesn't dominate which could means his pitches are easy to read coming of his hand or they simply don't have any movement. Gausman doesn't have those problems.
03-20-2012 11:30 PM #35
Since you mentioned Gausman, it seems as though Zimmer is the 3rd guy who has put himself into the college pitcher converstation. Personally, I don't think there's a lot that separates those three but as I said, Appel apears to be the consensus, best.
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03-21-2012 03:04 PM #39Shorebirds
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Zunino in my opinion is the best player in the entire draft but I don't think he'll last to 4.
03-21-2012 03:17 PM #40
The downside for some college players is that the schools are playing to win, not to develop, and don't always have the kids best interest at heart when playing them. You see this at Rice a lot where pitchers arms come out abused, and more of a risk than other players.
The thing is with those high talent HS players is a lot of them can dominate the college players too because they are that much more talented. Look at how many freshman and sophomore pitchers are Friday night starters for their teams. UNC comes to mind. (Who I was going to get out and see in person last weekend, but I was in the hospital, I'm still mad I missed that one.)
Zunino is good, I won't question that, but I think the college ranks are pretty thin this season. I would PROBABLY take Cecchini over Zunino, but a lot of that is trusting Nick's eye for talent as he's pretty high on him too. I think this is a year you take a HS player because there are so many good ones at the top this season. I would make an exception for Appel, and maybe Marrero and Zunino though.
03-22-2012 08:13 AM #41
Reservation on Gauzman is that he looks to have a somewhat high effort delivery which you don't see with too many ML starters.
Reservation on Buxton is that although I read one report that said he hits the curveball well, I saw video of him where he looked hopeless against two consecutive offspeed pitches (which I assumed were curves, I was watching a side angle).
So far, two safest picks I've watched are Zunino and Dahl. First of all, Zunino can play the position so even if the offense isn't elite you have some value there. Dahl might not be top 5 material or have the ceiling of Buxton but he just looks really solid and his short stroke should translate well to pro ball and higher levels. I just have a good feeling about him. Pitchers are always a risk. When I first saw video of Giolito he had no windup to speak of and I questioned his athleticism. After watching more video, I came away more impressed in that area. Not really crazy about any of the pitchers. I liked the look of Stroman (mechanics, stuff, numbers) but no one has him in the top 10 picks.
03-22-2012 09:49 AM #42
My concerns are that Zunino is closer to Grandal than Posey, he's a safe bet to be a solid regular but he's far from a star, and at 1:4 I want a little more. You can get guys like him later in the draft (with a little less certainty).
I'm not a big Dahl fan, see him in the teens-late first, seems solid, but I don't really see "it" if you know what I mean. Another safe pick that should be a ML player, but I liked Brentz more.
Put this way, Giolito would be the 3rd best HS P i've seen in recent years behind Bundy and Taillon (and I waffle if I'd put him ahead of Taillon, but I need to see him more.) Appel has better stuff than Pomeranz, White, Leake or most of those recent college SP. The HS kids seem much better than the college kids this year though.
04-17-2012 02:12 AM #43Plus Member since 2004 All-Star
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