His numbers would certainly be better but I think the 3 mentioned have more athleticism and explosiveness. Don't think he'd put up Gron or Graham like numbers but I mean thats not going out on a limb. I think Pitta is pretty much a Heap clone. Real good hands, good route runner, sneaky speed,will work on his blocking and became good at that like Todd did. Blue collar player that Baltimore will love.Originally Posted by Pedro Cerrano
I think it was in part bad luck that the Patriots were right in front of us. We may not have taken Gronk but I do think we take Hernandez. Graham was probably even more raw than Hernandez and I think we were looking to nab a more polished product with Heap's body crumbling. I think we were probably hoping for Pitta and Hernandez. Pitta being a guy we could plug right in with Hernandez being the one to develop. That's just my opinion.
Well, I guess we should just feel lucky the Patriots aren't one spot in front of us this year.
I think the poster that stated if Dickson was in NOLA said it best. Is Graham as successful as he is in our system with Cam as opposed to being in the Saints offense with Sean Peyton and Drew Brees? Who's to say Dickson wouldn't do the same thing as Graham with the Saints and Graham would just be so-so with us?
This is a good discussion although the title is a bit misleading. It's not as if the Ravens took Davon Drew and Trent Smith while NE and NO got complete studs. Dickson and Pitta combined for over 90 catches in an offensive system designed to feature perhaps the best overall RB in the game while also protecting a top 3 defense.
I think the argument that these guys aren't what they are if they are with the Ravens. I just dont know if CC knows how to use them effectively.
I'm still cringing at that AFC title game play where Joe rolled out to try and hit the third string TE falling down in the corner of the endzone instead of dumping it off to a wide open Leach for the TD. If Cam calls plays like that in crunch time I don't know if he ever realizes or utilizes the talent he has in a guy like Gronk or Graham.
Probably because earlier in the game, in the red zone, Joe put a ball right between the 4 and 4 and Leach dropped it. Plus, you said it, it was a designed rollout and probably a 1 read play.
As far as 20/20 hindsight on Gronkowski, Cerrano and Btown said it, look at the system and also the adjustments that the Pats staff made. No one mentioned Gronkowski last year, he was a non factor. The Pats decided that since they had little talent at WR, that they would utilitze their TEs like WRs. Add to that a HOF QB and a system that essentially ignores the running game and there you have it.
I think that all the talk of the Ravens offense, any part of it, comes back to Flacco and people's expectation of him. Quite frankly, the comparisons made and the expectations of him are simply unfair. In his 4th season, people seem to be expecting him to be as good as future HOFers and guys that have been in the league twice as long as him. In 4 years, when Peyton, Brees and Brady are out of the league or darn close to it, Eli and Rivers are winding down, Ben is on his last legs, etc, Flacco will be in his prime and our AFC competitors may very well be searching for QBs.
Even with his drops, Dickson caught 54 passes this season. That's more than Heap caught in six of his ten seasons in Baltimore. If Pitta wasn't available or as involved as he was in the offense, Ed would have been targeted even more.
He needs to work on his hands, but he's still a good tight end with the chance to be great. If Pitta can be Heap, can't Dickson be Shannon Sharpe?
No idea what kind of trade value TEs have in the league, but if Dwayne Allen is available with the Ravens pick, I'd look into moving Dickson if I were Ozzie. I think Allen's a ready-made Pro Bowler.
It was kinda funny listening to Colinsworth drooling all over Bill and the TE's he selected and how "crazy" it was to select 2 TE's in the same draft.
The results they've gotten up there are much better, but the Ravens did the same thing in the same draft with the next draft pick after the Patriots took Gronkowski and Hernandez.
Just sayin'.
If we draft a TE in the first round, I would be stunned. We have many more pressing needs than that.
29. Ravens - Wake Forest WR Chris Givens
http://www.rotoworld.com/slide/nfl/215/NFL-Mock-Draft
Chris Givens - Wake Forest WR
It's no secret that Baltimore's offense sputtered in 2011 due to the receivers' continued struggles to create separation. Torrey Smith flashed improved route running down the stretch, but remains a project entering his second season. Anquan Boldin's game is eroding going on age 32, and Lee Evans will be an offseason roster bonus casualty. A likely Combine riser, Givens has drawn Antonio Brown comparisons as a dangerous downfield threat who beat out higher-profile wideouts like North Carolina's Dwight Jones for first-team All-ACC honors in 2011.
Personally, I'd prefer to see us draft a guy like:
S - Mark Barron (especially considering Reed, nakamura and Zibby will likely all be gone in the next year or two)
MLB - Luke Kuechly
LB - Vontaze Burfict
LB - Dont'a Hightower
C - Peter Konz
We shouldn't draft for need--ever. Well, only if a few players are about even for BPA, then you take the need position.
I'd be appalled if we took Givens in the first. That's just terrible. Even if we were dead-set on drafting a WR, Alshon Jeffrey is an infinitely better pick.
Everything I have read about him though says that he is a possession WR. We do draft for need. BPA is surely a concept we use, but if the BPA was a RB, do you think they'd take one eventhough we have Rice? It is simply a grouping of players that the Ravens put together, at which point they take the BPA
Hence...his unavailability most likely when we get to pick. I'd much rather take the falling guy in the second, see Smith, Torrey.
Either way, I'm comfortable with whatever Ozzie does in the draft. His track record there is stellar, and I'm always impressed with what the Ravens do.
I don't know about Shannon Sharpe, but he could at least be Aaron Hernandez.
The Ravens should hire someone to follow Dickson around all spring and summer and throw footballs at him without warning.
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