Guthrie traded to Rockies for Hammel & Lindstrom

[SammyBirdland]

I wonder if unofficially Wada and Chen are now penciled in as 2 of our 5 starters?

That may be the good news here. Whoever is evaluating our pitching talent must think these two are going to be lights out.

[Birdland]

JonHeymanCBSJon Heyman

Eric young is not in deal agreed to

[TiredofLosing20]

Buster_ESPNBuster Olney

Not sure what the Orioles really gain from Guthrie trade, in the big picture. Taking a second-tier prospect to grow with makes more sense.

@BusterOlney - Well duh..

[Dwight Schrute]

This seems like another example of the dumb decisions the team makes with veterans. Hold on to BRob to long, look what happens. Hold onto Luke Scott too long, look what happens. Hold onto Jeremy Guthrie too long, this just happened. And then people get mad at SG when he says to trade these guys. Can't wait to see how bad they misplay their hand with Adam Jones.

[luismatos4prez]

We freed up some cash for WHAT? They better freaking use it for something.

[Dipper9]

I think I am starting to understand why DD has been out of the game for 10 years.

I didn't think I could be more disgusted with Baltimore sports then I was after Evans and Cundiff blew the Ravens Super Bowl, but leave it to the Orioles to find a way.

[ccbird]

This seems like another example of the dumb decisions the team makes with veterans. Hold on to BRob to long, look what happens. Hold onto Luke Scott too long, look what happens. Hold onto Jeremy Guthrie too long, this just happened. And then people get mad at SG when he says to trade these guys. Can't wait to see how bad they misplay their hand with Adam Jones.

At this point just extend Jones. No, you can't let him walk but I have little confidence in DD getting good value for him either.

[Dwight Schrute]

At this point just extend Jones. No, you can't let him walk but I have little confidence in DD getting good value for him either.

I read him as wanting off the Titanic though.

[SammyBirdland]

Here's an interesting comment from an outsider:

Jason Hammel is really underrated. He had a bad year last year, fueled by a lower than usual BABIP, but his 09+10 campaigns were stellar, his FIPs and xFIPs were between 3.66 and 3.76 and his WAR was 3.9 both years. Add a good defense behind him and you'll get a sub 3.50 ERA. He's also been used sparingly for some reason, always around 180 IP, he's got a lot of milage left too. That's a good, solid pitcher.

Guthrie is almost the opposite, never had more than a 2.6 WAR, more wear on his arm, pretty awful peripheral stats, his FIPs and xFIPs are always around 4.50. He has a rep for some reason I guess because he was the "ace" of a terrible team. I'd take Hammel over him 100% of the time. Nice win by the Orioles here.

[psk3170]

The $2mm saved should be just enough to sign Johnny Damon.

[Tony-OH]

This is exactly why I should never start to take up for an Orioles GM. The second I do they do something that makes me start scratching my head. This trade makes no sense for the future since it only buys one additional year of a pitcher that "might" be a good as Guthrie.

This feels like a temper tantrum move. We don't like your arbitration number and you won't negotiate a settlement so I'm going to trade you for whatever I can get. I mean if it was Hammels and a prospect then maybe I could see this. But Hammels and a salary dump? Hell, at least he could have gotten the Rockies to take Gregg. This doesn't make the Orioles in the near term or long term. It makes little sense.

[canonfaz]

I feel like someone just punted my dog off of a cliff.

[Peace21]

Still trying to figure out how DD thinks this is going to be a .500 team?

[NewMarketSean]

Here's an interesting comment from an outsider:

Makes me feel better but I think Guts will do well in Colorado playing for a decent team. He's always raised his game to the next level when pitching in big(ger) games.

[Dipper9]

Here's an interesting comment from an outsider:

Who wrote this? Jim Duqette?