Most of us who've had big HOF discussions before have touched on the gist of the piece. Evans isn't a clear-cut, inner circle guy, but he's far more qualified than a good number of inductees. Including his teammate, Mr. Rice. I'd vote for him, but it seems the BBWAA has long since decided that guys from the 70s and 80s who didn't lend themselves to great storylines don't go in. I'd put Dewey, Trammell, and Whitaker in all at once just to see the old writers have a collective seizure.Originally Posted by Moose Milligan
I would be more then happy to put Dewey in.....if you kick Rice out. I would also be willing to discuss trading Trammell for Dawson.
I have no problem with Jim Rice in the Hall. Just so long as they also induct all of the other similarly- or better-qualified players, including Thurmon Munson, Vern Stephens, Bobby Veach, Joe Judge, Wally Schang, Will Clark, Augie Galan, Dale Murphy, Buddy Myer, Roy White, Herman Long, Gil Hodges, Lave Cross, Jimmy Ryan, Ed Konetchy, George Burns, George Van Haltren, Dixie Walker, Rusty Staub, Mike Griffin, Bert Campaneris, George Gore, Mike Tiernan, Jim Fregosi, Heinie Groh, Rocky Colavito, Harry Stovey, Brett Butler, Toby Harrah, Cupid Childs, Larry Doyle, Fred Lynn, Fielder Jones, Gene Tenace, Vada Pinson, Brian Downing, Chet Lemon, Ted Simmons, Tommy Leach, Jimmy Sheckard, Ron Cey, Cesar Cedeno, Jose Cruz, Bob Elliott, Minnie Minoso, Norm Cash, Bob Johnson, Stan Hack, Jack Clark, Joe Torre, Bobby Bonds, Willie Davis, Darrell Evans, Ken Boyer, Jack Glasscock, Sherry Magee, Jim Wynn, Tim Raines, Willie Randolph, Sal Bando, Buddy Bell, Keith Hernandez, Dick Allen, Graig Nettles, Dewey, Reggie Smith, Bobby Grich, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, and Bill Dahlen.
I don't get why Munson isn't in. I know he wasn't the premier catcher of his era, but I can't think of a better catcher in the AL during that time than he was. Hit for a good average, decent pop, and if you like the intangibles, he was a leader. Rookie of the Year, MVP, MVP votes almost every year, a WS ring or two... Not sure about his defense.
I'm sure there's someone that I'm obviously forgetting in who was the best AL catcher during that time who gets a HOF nod...but Munson seemed to be pretty damn good.
11 year career.
He was the best catcher in the AL during the years he was active, and it's not really close. But that's not necessarily the same as being great.
His overall career value is somewhere in the Gene Tenace-Bill Freehan-Ted Simmons-Darrell Porter range. He might be a HOFer if he'd lived and played well another 5 years (although he was 31 when he died and already slipped from his peak), or if you invoked the Puckett rule.
Fisk?????
Yup, there we go. I never think about Fisk. For a first ballot HOF guy, he's way off my radar.
Last edited by Moose Milligan; 02-10-2012 at 08:58 PM.
Well, yeah...
I was thinking the Puckett rule would play more into this. I knew Tenace was good, but he had some big years for that era, I just looked at his numbers.
Yeah, Munson's only the best catcher in the AL if you ignore Fisk and say Tenace's not a catcher. And even then I'd probably still put him behind Porter. And then there's Bench and Simmons in the NL in that same decade. When a guy was the fifth or sixth best player at his position in the decade he played, he's probably not a hall of famer.
Also I think Reggie Smith is incredibly underrated and if he were to go into the Hall it wouldn't be a travesty.
Remove four Yankees and I'll let you have Mattingly. Take away two Red Sox and you can have Dewey. He wasn't the worst guy.
Keith was great on Seinfeld,
Elaine to Keith - "You may be heading into third but the third base coach isn't sending you home...."
...and remind me again why Cupid Childs is not in the Hall?
Why not. Saw a lot of Evans in his prime and never really though of him as HOF material. Probably helped out by Fenway Park offensively but a pretty good all around player/exceptional defender with a long productive career.
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