MD vs. dook

[Lucky Jim]

The problem with this argument is that you could have said similar things about, say, John Gilchrist. That ACC Tournament run, as awesome as it remains to this day, was arguably the worst thing that could have happened to his career looking back. It gave the impression that he was the only consistent offensive force on that team, and when Gary Williams tried to rein him in, their relationship fell apart and he left the school for the oblivion of overseas basketball. That team ended up in two straight NITs because they didn't have a starting point guard until Vasquez and Hayes arrived in 2006.

That isn't how this situation needs to play out. Even left alone it likely will not lead to something bigger. However, that doesn't make it less of a concern because of that risk.

I would be on board with this argument if (i) Stoglin were (literally) Gilchrist; and (ii) the talent on this squad were in the same universe as the talent on Gilchrist's teams. Otherwise, I say "yes," it is less of a concern.

[Sports Guy]

Duke is terrible at perimeter defense.

If Stoglin was going to be a ball hog, then he should have been driving to the lane all game long..drawing fouls and getting up higher % shots.

[Lucky Jim]

Duke is terrible at perimeter defense.

If Stoglin was going to be a ball hog, then he should have been driving to the lane all game long..drawing fouls and getting up higher % shots.

I agree with this. Though he appeared well-defended most of the game, and I credit Duke's gameplan.

[glenn__davis]

Duke is terrible at perimeter defense.

If Stoglin was going to be a ball hog, then he should have been driving to the lane all game long..drawing fouls and getting up higher % shots.

He did this a few times, and Duke's frontcourt left their guys to help, and since the MD frontcourt was so incompetent the other day, Stoglin's choice was to either pass it to them so they could screw it up, or take the crazy shot himself. Like Lucky Jim said, the gameplan was to not let Stoglin beat them, and they executed it well, and no one else stepped up.

I completely agree with the idea the Stoglin needs to be a bit more of a team player, but to his credit, I think he's really made great strides in that area since the beginning of the season. I do think he has tried to pass more. But MD's frontcourt was absolutely awful on Saturday. They will not always be that bad, but they were Saturday, and so I at least understand Stoglin's thought process.

[Sports Guy]

I agree with this. Though he appeared well-defended most of the game, and I credit Duke's gameplan.

100% agree....But still, he needed to do a better job of attacking their weakness(same could be said in the first game as well)

It would have created a lot of open lay ups for teammates as well, since the Duke players would have collapsed on him.

[Sports Guy]

He did this a few times, and Duke's frontcourt left their guys to help, and since the MD frontcourt was so incompetent the other day, Stoglin's choice was to either pass it to them so they could screw it up, or take the crazy shot himself. Like Lucky Jim said, the gameplan was to not let Stoglin beat them, and they executed it well, and no one else stepped up.

I completely agree with the idea the Stoglin needs to be a bit more of a team player, but to his credit, I think he's really made great strides in that area since the beginning of the season. I do think he has tried to pass more. But MD's frontcourt was absolutely awful on Saturday. They will not always be that bad, but they were Saturday, and so I at least understand Stoglin's thought process.

But you keep feeding them the ball. If they screw up, they screw up.

But he still has to learn that taking wild, your eyes are basically closed, 25 foot jumpers with 30 seconds on the shot clock isn't the way to win a game.

[glenn__davis]

But you keep feeding them the ball. If they screw up, they screw up.

But he still has to learn that taking wild, your eyes are basically closed, 25 foot jumpers with 30 seconds on the shot clock isn't the way to win a game.

It was the only way they were going to win that game. And Duke really started pulling away while Stoglin was on the bench.

For all the talk about what terrible shots he takes, he is 9th in the conference in FG%.

Again, I think 9 times out of 10 I'd probably agree with everything you're saying. But MD's frontcourt had absolutely nothing on Saturday. Padgett may as well have been playing for Duke. 0-4 from the field, 2-6 FT, 2 rebounds in 26 minutes, 3 turnovers. Pathetic showing.

[ccbird]

The problem with this argument is that you could have said similar things about, say, John Gilchrist. That ACC Tournament run, as awesome as it remains to this day, was arguably the worst thing that could have happened to his career looking back. It gave the impression that he was the only consistent offensive force on that team, and when Gary Williams tried to rein him in, their relationship fell apart and he left the school for the oblivion of overseas basketball. That team ended up in two straight NITs because they didn't have a starting point guard until Vasquez and Hayes arrived in 2006.

That isn't how this situation needs to play out. Even left alone it likely will not lead to something bigger. However, that doesn't make it less of a concern because of that risk.

Speaking of similarities to Gilchrist, poster accinfo has said on Baltimore Sports and Life message board that Stoglin is likely to go pro after this year. Don't know why he has posted that info over here but he's a pretty knowledgeable source.

[Sports Guy]

It was the only way they were going to win that game. And Duke really started pulling away while Stoglin was on the bench.

For all the talk about what terrible shots he takes, he is 9th in the conference in FG%.

Again, I think 9 times out of 10 I'd probably agree with everything you're saying. But MD's frontcourt had absolutely nothing on Saturday. Padgett may as well have been playing for Duke. 0-4 from the field, 2-6 FT, 2 rebounds in 26 minutes, 3 turnovers. Pathetic showing.

A lot of times, the frontcourt has good games because of how the backcourt gets them involved.

MD isn't that great in the FC, I get that and agree with that. But you won't get anything out of them playing the way Stoglin did.

Put it this way, if Stoglin was getting to the lane, dishing off to his teammates and they weren't scoring, Turgeon doesn't send him any kind of a message. Turgeon was right.

[Lucky Jim]

Speaking of similarities to Gilchrist, poster accinfo has said on Baltimore Sports and Life message board that Stoglin is likely to go pro after this year. Don't know why he has posted that info over here but he's a pretty knowledgeable source.

I'm not surprised by this. Though it's a dumb move. He may enjoy Italy, though.*


*I also think Turgeon has been walking a fine line in his handling of Stoglin, nudging him toward going pro w/o running him off and/or sacrificing too much in now-wins.

[glenn__davis]

A lot of times, the frontcourt has good games because of how the backcourt gets them involved.

MD isn't that great in the FC, I get that and agree with that. But you won't get anything out of them playing the way Stoglin did.

Put it this way, if Stoglin was getting to the lane, dishing off to his teammates and they weren't scoring, Turgeon doesn't send him any kind of a message. Turgeon was right.

I don't think we disagree all that much.

I don't really mind Turgeon sending a message that he thought needed to be sent. I also understand Stoglin's thought-process that he needed to try to take over the game. If a great player takes over a game and it works, he is gutsy and a winner. If it doesn't, he is selfish and doesn't understand the team concept. Just how it is.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I'm not surprised by this. Though it's a dumb move. He may enjoy Italy, though.*


*I also think Turgeon has been walking a fine line in his handling of Stoglin, nudging him toward going pro w/o running him off and/or sacrificing too much in now-wins.

Seriously, if he goes, we'll never hear his name again.

On a related note, Gilchrist is coming off of the bench in Slovakia now.

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp...PlayerID=52438

I'll give him credit for still wanting to play. Even if I criticize what went down at Maryland, I'll never criticize him fighting for his dream.