This is according to several reports that came out today, I saw it posted on rotoworld.com. I love Ray Rice on the field and is a class act off of it, but we can't afford to give him this kind of money for several reasons. They did also say we were likely to franchise him next year then again in 13' , which would be 17 million over those two years.If we want to be competing for championships we cannot afford to give Rice Peterson money and Flacco top five QB money and expect to have a team that can compete. On top of that alot of young guys contracts are coming up in the next year or two including Webb,Oher, Cary Williams,Pollard, Dickson,Pitta,Kruger,Cody. We also just gave out huge contracts to Suggs,Yanda and Ngata so we can't have a whole lot of room even with the cap going up next year I wouldn't think anyway.
I'm sure Rice wants AP money. I'm sure he also has at least some level of understanding that he won't get that much from the Ravens, or probably anyone else for that matter. I'll accept anything Ray says at this point as simply posturing for negotiations. While I agree he should try to get every single dollar he can, you just can't pay that much to a RB these days. Even Peterson hasn't performed up to the level of his own contract.
A: How much you want for that?
B: Give me $10.
A: How about $5?
B. How about $7.50?
A: Okay.
B: Deal.
Originally Posted by Bosibus
Pretty much. If the Ravens are serious about offering a fair long term deal Rice will listen. He doesn't want the Franchise Tag.
Anything wrong with simply franchising him for the next two seasons, then letting him walk at age 27? What is he going to do about the Franchise Tag? Does he seem like the type to hold out or pout about it? Does franchising Rice send the wrong message to other elite players (either now or down-the-line)? Whom else would be a "better" franchise candidate, given the business/money/value side of things?
You mean, aside from ticking him off and causing him to hold out? There's nothing wrong with franchising him, and I'm sure he'd probably play under the franchise tag in ONE of those years.
He should be paid accordingly, and he'll probably wind up with a deal that's between $8-10 million a year.
I just dont think he's worth 1/12 of the salary cap. I dont think he'll stay healthy through a 4 or 5 year deal.
Based on what? Rice just turned 25 and hasn't missed a game since he's become a starter. It's not like the guy has an injury history.
Don't get me wrong, ACL tears happen but those are fluke things that can happen to any player at anytime. Plus, Rice isn't a pound it out, between the tackles back, which definitely decreases his chance of breaking down.
To be honest, if there was going to be a back that I'd give a 5 year deal to at age 25/26, it would be Ray Rice simply because of his style. He has a much better chance of staying healthy because of how and when he draws contact.
Guarantee him somewhere around $25-$30 million, spread it out over 6 years to keep the cap hit around $5.5-$6 in the first few years, backload some salary in year 5 and 6 and be done with it. If he's still productive at 28, renegotiate. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Rice is a between the tackles back.
On top of that, people need to stop acting as if Rice is some superhuman who will not get injured.
This is football, everyone sustains injuries, especially RBs.
You just do not give RBs huge guaranteed contracts...they are too easily replaced.
So, you don't give him a ton of guaranteed money. But you still sign him long-term. He realistically has between three and five years left of being an effective running back, of course barring injuries.
You do something like 5/$47 million with $25-30 million of it guaranteed.
25-30M guaranteed is way too much for me.
I wouldn't go more than 18 or so, spread out over 5 years.
If I am a GM and with the way NFL offenses are now I wouldn't ever give AP type money to a RB. Never. I agree with SG that RB's can be aquired rather easily and their potential for injury is way too high for me to invest a large amount of cap room in. The following positions are the only ones I would invest high dollar contracts on:
QB
WR
C
LT
DT
Rush LB's/DE (Depending on the type of defense)
CB
Again, you have your exceptions such as HOF's Ray Lewis and Ed Reed but obviously those types of transcendant players only come around so often.
I would also not bonus Rice 30 mill., that's crazy. 18 is actually a pretty decent number, if you give him 9 to sign, and 9 in a roster bonus with low guarantees in the first few years, you can make a pretty reasonable deal for a guy like Rice.
I do think Rice is a guy that can have value late in his contract. Some power backs when done, are done. Rice can always be a 3rd down back. We need two backs, you keep him around for the duration he's not replaceable, but build a deal that allows you to cut him without huge cap penalties towards the back end.
But his agent says he wants a contract similar to Adrian Peterson. He's not worth that kind money and too much of a injury risk. Franchise him this year and look for a replacement.
OMG! An agent overvalued a player!! Book it, that's a first in history.
This is how negotiating works. You come in much higher than what you expect to maximize what the other team was willing to give. Bottom line is Rice wouldn't even get AD money on the open market. So it's a moot point what his agent says.
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