Redskins strike deal with Rams for No. 2 pick?

[OrioleMagic]

You have to look at things now, not in hindsight. IMO, Washington made a desperate move and overpaid for an unproven player. Sure, if Griffin becomes a franchise caliber QB it will make the move look much better in hindsight.


Let me ask a hypothetical question to you SKins fans. What established NFL QBs would you give up the same package for??

Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford.

I would also for Peyton, Eli, and Tom if they were younger.

It is only a hypothetical answer though.

[EddieMurrayfan]

The flip side of that is teams could have filled their needs and create less competition to trade up for the slot. I doubt StL could have wrangled out a lot more, but could have easily overplayed their hand and not gotten as much value. We'll never know.

I think you are right on target. They made out like bandits and there would have been no reason to risk throwing this away for a potential slightly better deal and then losing out on this haul.

Typical Daniel Snyder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

But, on the other hand, when you have Rex and Beck in your stable, and, know Peyton has no interest in coming to play for you . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Frobby]

I like the move. I think that because of his speed and athletic ability, RGIII will be no worse than a middle-of-the-pack NFL starting QB, and he has a decent chance to be elite. If he's elite, it's a good move, and if he's middle-of-the-pack, it's still not awful considering that the 'Skins were bottom-of-the-pack at QB before this. It's really only a disaster if RGIII isn't a solid NFL starting QB, but as I said, I doubt that will be the case.

Now, from the Rams' standpoint, this is an incredible coup. They already have Bradford and now they have a ton of picks to surround him with talent over the next 3 years.

[mweb]

Things like this really irk me. Last years draft provided us a LOT. If we have another draft like that this year, we'll be in great shape. A lot of guys we drafted last year made positive contributions or were really starting to catch on before season ending injuries:

1st: Ryan Kerrigan - Stud. Arguably already better than Orakpo. Made several big plays.

2nd: Jarvis Jenkins - Torn ACL suffered in camp kept him out all year. By all accounts he was having a monster camp. If he makes a full recovery this year he'll definitely help the front line. Essentially picking up an extra draft pick this year.

3rd: Leonard Hankerson: Struggled early but was finally putting it together before suffering a hip injury that ended his season. During that game, he was already over 100 yards with 8 catches. Hands the size of Hakeem Nicks'.

4th: Roy Helu: Picked up the starting RB job about halfway through the season, put up 640 yards. Good combo of speed and power.

5th: DeJon Gomes: Safety started playing well at the end of the season.

5th: Evan Royster: 5.9 YPC. NFL debut saw him gain 132 yards on 19 carries against the Vikes. Then went for 113 on 20 carries against Philly. Combined with Helu, we've got a set backfield for the foreseeable future.


We drafted really well last year. Have a similar draft this year, combine RG3 with our backfield, and if Hankerson can come back and show what he did at the end last year, we'll be set. There are still holes but if RG3 can come in and play well right away like Cam Newton did last year, we'll be in awesome shape.

And about 40M in cap room can help address some of those other holes.

Maybe Vincent Jackson to go along with Moss, Hankerson, and 2-3 of Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Stallworth, etc.

Perhaps Carr or another good CB. Maybe 1-2 OL upgrades. Possibly a NT. And of course they have to either bring back or replace Fletcher and Landry.

[allstar1579]

I like the move. I think that because of his speed and athletic ability, RGIII will be no worse than a middle-of-the-pack NFL starting QB, and he has a decent chance to be elite. If he's elite, it's a good move, and if he's middle-of-the-pack, it's still not awful considering that the 'Skins were bottom-of-the-pack at QB before this. It's really only a disaster if RGIII isn't a solid NFL starting QB, but as I said, I doubt that will be the case.

Now, from the Rams' standpoint, this is an incredible coup. They already have Bradford and now they have a ton of picks to surround him with talent over the next 3 years.

Yeah I agree with you here. STL is the big winner, but a half way decent career will be a better QB than we have had since the 80's. The only concern I have about RG3 is his playing style, to a degree it's why I'm not afraid to play against Mike Vick, because at some point he's going to scramble and you're going to get a good shot in on him, once you do...he's out. Just hoping he has the impact Cam Newton had last year.

They've got some solid RBs now, should be set at TE for a year or two. I'd say another CB to play with Hall and Wilson, possibly a S to replace Landry, resigning Fletcher, and maybe another OL would be a long way towards competing.

[mweb]

With all that said regarding potential upgrades along with a good D already in place, if Griffin plays at least decently early, those two first round picks may be over 30 when added together (12, 20 for example). That won't be that steep of a price if RGIII is quite good.

The Giants weren't exactly decimated by trading up for Eli, and he wasn't even a good QB until last year.

[mweb]

Yeah I agree with you here. STL is the big winner, but a half way decent career will be a better QB than we have had since the 80's. The only concern I have about RG3 is his playing style, to a degree it's why I'm not afraid to play against Mike Vick, because at some point he's going to scramble and you're going to get a good shot in on him, once you do...he's out. Just hoping he has the impact Cam Newton had last year.

They've got some solid RBs now, should be set at TE for a year or two. I'd say another CB to play with Hall and Wilson, possibly a S to replace Landry, resigning Fletcher, and maybe another OL would be a long way towards competing.

RGIII is less likely to run than is Vick or Newton from what I have seen.

[Floater]

The comparison to Vick to Newton are pretty annoying at this point. They are all the same race and can run a bit. That's it. All of their throwing styles are much different, plus Rg3 is pass first all the way.

[hoosiers]

Another thing I do not like about this move is that we don't know where Manning is going to land. I don't want Tebow or Mark Sanchez, but it's possible Manning lands in a place where we could have picked up a QB much cheaper.

[allstar1579]

RGIII is less likely to run than is Vick or Newton from what I have seen.

That's what I'm hoping. But QB know when they run a 4.3 and rookies in the NFL tend to run more because they can't read as much as fast when plays break down. Just some minor concern, nothing big though.

[mweb]

Another thing I do not like about this move is that we don't know where Manning is going to land. I don't want Tebow or Mark Sanchez, but it's possible Manning lands in a place where we could have picked up a QB much cheaper.

Like who? Kolb? Cassell?

[mweb]

That's what I'm hoping. But QB know when they run a 4.3 and rookies in the NFL tend to run more because they can't read as much as fast when plays break down. Just some minor concern, nothing big though.

Sure, but he is more of a passing QB than either of the guys you mentioned were when they came into the league.

4.4 btw.

[allstar1579]

The comparison to Vick to Newton are pretty annoying at this point. They are all the same race and can run a bit. That's it. All of their throwing styles are much different, plus Rg3 is pass first all the way.

Comparison to Vick because of the speed (also ran a 4.3). Comparison to Newton in throwing style (pocket passer first and pretty similar to RG3). So really...tantrum unnecessary. Oh and by the way, with 179 rushing attempts and 402 pass attempts, that is FAR from pass first, that's almost a run for every 2 passes.

[Floater]

Comparison to Vick because of the speed (also ran a 4.3). Comparison to Newton in throwing style (pocket passer first and pretty similar to RG3). So really...tantrum unnecessary. Oh and by the way, with 179 rushing attempts and 402 pass attempts, that is FAR from pass first, that's almost a run for every 2 passes.

I think that is more of a reflection on the efficient player he is. He doesn't force plays. See his 72% Completion Rate and 6 interceptions. If the pass is not there, he is not going to try and force and pass in there that ends up in an interception( ala Rex Grossman). Instead, he will try to get the most yards he can in the most efficient way if the pass is not there, which would be running for some yards. He is a pass first guy.

[mweb]

Comparison to Vick because of the speed (also ran a 4.3). Comparison to Newton in throwing style (pocket passer first and pretty similar to RG3). So really...tantrum unnecessary. Oh and by the way, with 179 rushing attempts and 402 pass attempts, that is FAR from pass first, that's almost a run for every 2 passes.

Newton passed 280 times and ran 264 times his last year.
Vick passed 161 times and ran 104 times.

So not only is Griffin's ratio of pass to run significantly higher, but he was in much more of a passing offense.

And again, 4.41, not 4.3.